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Is Choline needed when taking Sulbutiamine and alcar together?

I thpught i read both of these compounds deplate choline levels and guess what happens when choline levels are too low...no musclegrowth stimulation.
 
smeton_yea said:
Is Choline needed when taking Sulbutiamine and alcar together?

I thpught i read both of these compounds deplate choline levels and guess what happens when choline levels are too low...no musclegrowth stimulation.
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I'm not sure wether you remember my other response, but to answer your question.... no.

I take choline bitartrate every day, but even if I didn't.... ALCAR is responsible for the synthesis of acetylcholine.
 
Thanks. Im liking Subtiamine. I orders the new powder in from Nutraplanet and its on its way. Ill see if its pure stuff. The stuff in Spike is Pure with a capital P. Ill see how this stuff measures up.-Brotellience
 
OK, I got the Sulbutiamine caps today, so those that were interested should get them in a few days.
 
dsade said:
OK, I got the Sulbutiamine caps today, so those that were interested should get them in a few days.
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Hey dsade, if you run these capsules with success, what will the dosages per cap be? At this present time (to my knowledge), only one company is manufacturing them, and the dosages run at about 200mg per cap.
 
Do you know what they currently charge?


At the price I have, we are looking at 200mg capsules, 60 capsules for around $14.99.
 
dsade said:
Do you know what they currently charge?


At the price I have, we are looking at 200mg capsules, 60 capsules for around $14.99.
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Don't worry dsade.... at 39.99 for 120 capsules.... I'll be pimpin your sulb ALL DAY LONG.:thumbsup:
 
Excellent. Do you want to sample some of them?
 
PM me your address or email it to [email protected].

I'm shipping these out tomorrow.
 
NO HYPE said:
You've got it.
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Whoa...why did you send me your hobbies, turn-ons, and measurements too???:think:

:)
 
I already ordered the powder from Nutraplanet. I'm assuring these were are the same batch or made with this batch. Ill take some free samples though if your handing them out.
 
I received my powder today 30 grams of it. Tryed it, its the nastiest tasting stuff ive ever tasted. GRoss. 10xs worst then phenibut. I took 1/4 teaspoon , which equals 500 mgs. I didnt take my spike today so i didnt get the caffinine benifit.
 
i tried different sulb product, and i react differently to each one of them......just wondering why! makes me think that mixing the stuff with different stim give totaly different results, somone needs to find the right combo.
 
I got some sulb. and added it to my EC stack. 25mg E, 125mg C, and approx. 800mg Sulb. Been taking that for about 3 days now, 3x per day. Normally EC makes me kinda edgy. The sulb takes that away completely. Very nice mix.
 
what effects of Sulbutiamine 800 mgs do you notice? any diiferent effects than say a 400 mgs dose?

I know NO HYPE says he takes more than the recommended dose but It says on my sulbiamine to take the recommended dose. which is up tp 500 mgs.

I also have to vouch and say i notice completely diiferent effects wheh sub is mixed with a stimulant. a calm feeling and a more steady feeling.
 
I've never tried it just by itself. Might have to give that a try tomorrow. 800mg is a guesstimate... I don't have a scale. Its as much as I can fit in a 00 capsule, and I read that aprox. 800mg can fit.

Its a very awake, connected feeling, and not overstimmed at all. I could kick back and do nothing, or I could hit the gym. Its really kinda nice!
 
sulbutiamine does really good at 300-600mgs with caf, but not much by itself, but it does seem to cause some bp issues with me. I was hoping it wouldn't, because I've been trying to lower bp, and it was one of the reasons I wanted to try it. Can someone please explain to me what the Yellow Gold is and what it does, I've read some posts and it hasn't helped. Oh yeah, sulb does taste like crap, but I'm convinced that the worse thing a human can put in his mouth is m1t in everclear, you don't know what to do: puke, cry, or die!!!!!!!!
 
daniel35 said:
sulbutiamine does really good at 300-600mgs with caf, but not much by itself, but it does seem to cause some bp issues with me. I was hoping it wouldn't, because I've been trying to lower bp, and it was one of the reasons I wanted to try it. Can someone please explain to me what the Yellow Gold is and what it does, I've read some posts and it hasn't helped. Oh yeah, sulb does taste like crap, but I'm convinced that the worse thing a human can put in his mouth is m1t in everclear, you don't know what to do: puke, cry, or die!!!!!!!!
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What where your bp #'s. Also, history of high bp? I am on meds for my bp, so I am very limited in what I can use. I was interested in trying sulbutiamine, but I guess I have to do some research on this or wait for more feedback.
 
it usually hovers around 140/90 boderline area. but I get a headache if it gets higher. That's what makes me think sub raises it.
 
daniel35 said:
it usually hovers around 140/90 boderline area. but I get a headache if it gets higher. That's what makes me think sub raises it.
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(sry for thread diversion) The higher your bp goes, the worse you will feel. Without meds, mine is 160/110-100. Meds take it down to 110/75. Stress, excess weight, and sodium can raise bp also. Consider those also.
 
Ive been capping mine and takign with the biotest spike so im taking in about 500 sub a day and 200 caf. nice mix.

thats my review. I might bump the caf on big trainign days meaning Bodyparts like Legs-aka squats... Back, and the big exercises.
 
I just took Stim X for the first time today and mixed it with Sulb. I dont think it does but just to be safe do you know or can you find out if Sulbutiamine is safe to take with Stimulant X?

Sulbutiamines ingredient is: Thiamine di(2-methylpropionate) dissulfide) correct?

Stimulant X contains : Green Coffee Bean exact(90% xanthines) , Thiamine disulfide butyrate ester(time-releasing thiamine analog), Geranium concentrate

what im wondering if the two Thiamines would interact? cancle out one another? Or just make them that much more powerful? or is it best to cancle one of them intill im done one then start the other?

WAIT: is this the same exact compound as Sulb in Stim X?
 
Yes stiulant X has Sulbutamine . From my expirence sulbtumaine doesnt jolt much up as much as stimulant X. The old samples. What has testers noticed with Sulbutamine/ Ive taking it for a couple weeks now, i notice maybe increased mental function. i dont really notice it speeding me up. All it is is an analoge of a B vitamin(b1?).
 
Also if you take stimulants,for example AMP, you take take a day break from them if you want and take sulbutiamine on a off stimulant day. This works out very nicely.
 
smeton_yea said:
Also if you take stimulants,for example AMP, you take take a day break from them if you want and take sulbutiamine on a off stimulant day. This works out very nicely.
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BTW, John...those capsules you got in the mail were from me. They are the Sulbutiamine.
 
Sulbutiamine is going good. I think its around 500 mgs -1000 mgs in those capsules though. Thats about the dose ive been taking and i thought ive been taking around 500 mgs.
 
Ive been takign The Sulbutamine capsules every day for a few weeks now. I took my own caps i bought from Np and now Im taking the caps sent to me. I took two days off to notice the effects. Might notice a slight buzz, tingling feeling in my head , more than anything. Im taking Alcar in the morning the I take Sulb with my vitamins. More than anything A buzzd effect.
 
Ive been takign The Sulbutamine capsules every day for a few weeks now. I took my own caps i bought from Np and now Im taking the caps sent to me. I took two days off to notice the effects. Might notice a slight buzz, tingling feeling in my head , more than anything. Im taking Alcar in the morning the I take Sulb with my vitamins. More than anything A buzzd effect. Thanks Dsade.=)
 
How is your verbal communication?
 
Very Easy almost without effort. I dont even have to think, actually it might even inhibit think where it just flows.Its probally the neurons firing faster.

Sulbutiamine is also a pretty good substance. The only issue with it is concerns long-term (&/or consistent) use. Reasoning is that subutaimine impairs kainate binding sites (they're a form [or actually, several different isoform(s)] of glutamate receptor--and we all know glutamate is an excitory neurotransmitter), probably as a Kr-antagonist, which increases the rate of neuronal firing. That means that basal levels of kainic acid, which is an analog of l-glutamic acid, are going to increase, and kainic acid has known excitotoxic effects (it's definitely a more powerful neurotoxin than glutamate). And since it's not agonizing kainate receptors--since sulbutiamine is restricting this--it's just kind of 'freed and out there'. I just want to state that I don't know what the effects of this are precisely, but if I had to surmise I would say you wouldn't want this happening a lot over the course of your life. So I would use sulbutiamine in moderation and bear that in mind.

As for the science side of it, that is one aspect to its effects. The other is decreasing DA tone in the PFC (thereby raising it in the nucleus accumbens), which is going to create a mild stimulant effect (amphetamine also raises DA in the nucleus accumbens, for example). So overall you have more neural excitation coupled with a mild neurotransmitter boost. Viola: the 'sulbutaimine zone'.
 
Excellent summary of Sulbutiamine's mechanism. I am impressed.
 
I would have to say on Sulbutiamine I am on my game as far as thinking , speaking, and reading, and plainly just getting stuff done! Combine this with a strong cup of coffee and maybe some PEA and you've got alot of stuff your gonna get done, i call this the "get it done" stack.
 
I stopped my Sulbutiamine dose for three days and took a one hundred fifty milligram dose today because of studying. Wow a nice little buzz going right now. I find it easier to remain information. Example I studyed a chapter...but I forgot it so I went back and jusy took an extra five minutes review of the things that are most important, and Ive been thinking about them in the last hour since Ive stopped reading. Good Stuff

Dsade are your Sulbutiamine caps, The red and white ones, the same powder as Nutraplanet's powder?
Got any red and white capsules for sale? They look nicer then just the clear ones. It doesnt matter but I say why not when its there.
 
I now have bulk sulbutiamine from Nutraplanet. I throw a dose into my morning shake when I have a hearing or negotiations.
 
i like to mix 1 spike with 2 xforce. i take these before work. work 3rd shift and really helps make it through the night. when i dont need it i am calm but when i need the burst of energy its there in aces.
 
Let me save people from my own expirience. Only do this for short time peroids at a time. After The three month mark I was having headaches , and I kept taking it because I thought it was good for me. In retrospect I say hit it hard and fast for a short peroid of time than cease use. It is especially useful for learning a new skillset. Thats one of the main reason''s I use it for.
 
smeton_yea said:
Let me save people from my own expirience. Only do this for short time peroids at a time. After The three month mark I was having headaches , and I kept taking it because I thought it was good for me. In retrospect I say hit it hard and fast for a short peroid of time than cease use. It is especially useful for learning a new skillset. Thats one of the main reason''s I use it for.
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Yeah, Given the mechanism of action of sulbutiamine, long-term or even consistent short-term use is probably a bad idea. It's something I pull-out as a specific tool....not an everyday nootropic.
 
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