Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...

prld2gr8ns said:
Seeing as how its a competing supplement stores in-house product, I would have to say no.
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ahem... premixed TD formestane... nudge nudge... oh and make it STAY in solution BETTER than the competitor and have it come with a dropper and forget the pump :bruce1:
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Sounds like your talking about the phase seperation that the carrier undergoes. When settled it gets a clear seperation betweem the lipophilic and hydrophilic components of the carrier, with the hormone contained in the lipophilic portion(bottom). If that's the case then your good, just get an eye/baby dropper and dose away. As long it's not feeling like your rubbing a bowl of grits on your chest it's fine.:thumbsup:
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And what if does feel like I'm rubbing grits all over my chest? Would this reduce the efficacy of the TD? I've already switched to using a dropper, though the dropper gets clogged occassionaly as well. Should I drop a marble or ball bearing into the mix?
 
beallio said:
And what if does feel like I'm rubbing grits all over my chest? Would this reduce the efficacy of the TD? I've already switched to using a dropper, though the dropper gets clogged occassionaly as well. Should I drop a marble or ball bearing into the mix?
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That could help, though it sounds like the carrier is oversaturated if it's still not going into solution after high heat exposure. Don't worry though, either way your still getting your dose of form. Maybe next time just order some bulk + penetrate and add 5gr to it. It mixes up nice and easy that way with just a little heat.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
That could help, though it sounds like the carrier is oversaturated if it's still not going into solution after high heat exposure. Don't worry though, either way your still getting your dose of form. Maybe next time just order some bulk + penetrate and add 5gr to it. It mixes up nice and easy that way with just a little heat.
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Thats what I did added 5gr of bulk to penetrate and it still separates ?
 
There are alternate methods on the front page for mixing.

Some of you are most likely still referring to the separation of the carrier and form but not in a bad way it's just what happens. Shake and pump / use.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
neoborn said:
I believe thinner the skin the better absorbtion. Palms of hands are pretty think, back of hands maybe.
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Good absorption sites:

inside the wrists
inside the elbows
tops of the feet
below & behind the ankles
behind the knees

There are other spots where the skin is thin & so would seem like good sites, but either have poor blood supply/fluid transport (which would slow absorption & distribution), or are too close to complicating structures (lymphatic system, gonads, eyes, brain).

Anyone experiment with a second application of *compound-free* penetrate? It occurs to me that there may be sufficient unabsorbed product left on the skin to try and "soak it in" via a second application without the Form - could really maximise the ol' supplement dollar.
 
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neoborn said:
I am unsure other than adding a marble to crush the granules what you can do.
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Grinding your form in a mortar & pestle might seem silly, but it should convert those tiny crystals into a true powder quite nicely - and THAT ought to help the solubility. Might well reduce nozzle clogging, too
 
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neoborn said:
And so the best way to do that is through a muscle belly or greatest skin area and rubbing like a mofo either way? Please guide me :)
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the extra tissue will slow absorption, I believe - thin skin *AND* no complicating extra tissue (like muscle, specifically - and probably organs, just to be cautious) for teh win.

Lovin' yer FAQ, Neo - great stuff!
 
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if you apply the it (eform) after a shower, and lets say 4hr later you go swimming, will you loose some of it or does it absorb deeper into your skin after it dries and is then time-released
 
drksun said:
if you apply the it (eform) after a shower, and lets say 4hr later you go swimming, will you loose some of it or does it absorb deeper into your skin after it dries and is then time-released
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Adequate absorption should have occurred after this time frame, so any loss that would occur would probably be negligble.

BW I like your idea of a second carrier application... defenitly something to think about.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Adequate absorption should have occurred after this time frame, so any loss that would occur would probably be negligble.

BW I like your idea of a second carrier application... defenitly something to think about.
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Something triceptor said in one of his posts triggered me (credit where due).
 
Was doing some reading and spotted this:

neoborn said:
it should be ramped up and then tapered to avoid rebound
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I was under the impression that steroidal AI's do not commonly cause rebound and are used for this reason (such as Aromasin)? Wouldn't formestane fall into this category as well?
 
i got a dermal question, if i apply some e-form after a shower, then 4hr later go swimming or something where my skin is cleaned off, will i loose the rest of the transdermal, or as soon as it drys does it get absorbed deeper into the skin? Is the time release effect going on above or under the outer layer of skin?
 
drksun said:
i got a dermal question, if i apply some e-form after a shower, then 4hr later go swimming or something where my skin is cleaned off, will i loose the rest of the transdermal, or as soon as it drys does it get absorbed deeper into the skin? Is the time release effect going on above or under the outer layer of skin?
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prld2gr8ns said:
Adequate absorption should have occurred after this time frame, so any loss that would occur would probably be negligble.
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It's ability to be trapped and maintained under the dermis gives it a time released effect.
 
Gutterpump said:
Was doing some reading and spotted this:



I was under the impression that steroidal AI's do not commonly cause rebound and are used for this reason (such as Aromasin)? Wouldn't formestane fall into this category as well?
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Yes, but some individuals like the ramp method just for peice of mind if nothing else.
 
Gutterpump said:
Was doing some reading and spotted this:
I was under the impression that steroidal AI's do not commonly cause rebound and are used for this reason (such as Aromasin)? Wouldn't formestane fall into this category as well?
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I believe you are correct, I remember seeing Dr.D mention this over on IBE that there is no need to taper as it's suicidal and there would be no rebound from what I remember.

I must add that I am no Guru in any sense of the word, alot of what I do is information collection...and so these things are always open to debate :)

:type: Neoborn :type:
 
ok will be jumping on the bandwagon soon...Ive been planning a superdrol cycle for over 2 months now more like 3 but whatever...better safe than sorry...i have read this whole thread just so I get this straight adding eform would be recommended to help with shutdown, libido, and to help keep the gains somewhat dry..correct? In away this stuff sounds a little to good to be true not one person has said anything negative about this? whats the catch besides the sprayer issues...one last thing why doesnt nutraplanet come out with thier own version of eform?
 
Catch? Um better libido less man boobage etc etc I personally haven't found a downside unless

* waiting for it to dry on your skin is considered a downside.

* Skin may become drier in time ( lotion fixes this up pretty good )

NP does have their 'own' version of it in a bulk powder to go along with Penetrate. If you are referring "why don't they mix and make their own brand of NPFORM" I believe I heard Dsade give a reason in relation to laws or something but can't remember.

MucH love,

Neoborn.
 
Negatives are VERY mild. You don't hear people complaining because there's not much to complain about. BigT will say "don't buy this stuff" so that he can buy it all himself :lol:

I personally get heart palpitations with eform if I ramp it up too quickly, although hardcore dudes like neo LIKE it :head: It sometimes interferes with sleep as well because I feel too pumped to go to bed (as was the case last night FWIW).

I also get mild blurred vision with formestane as is the case right now while I'm typing.

As we speak, I am VERY cranky because of the eform. Irritability might be an issue with the eform/superdrol combo and I'd personally save your eform for post cycle. I don't buy the view point that it may be suppressive whatsoever.

All of the above sides are temporary and go away quickly when I'm finished using eform.

Btw, I combat the palpitations with Hawthorne Berry... I'm running about 500mgHB 2x/day and I have ZERO palpitations this time around.
 
Was planning on running cycle support through my whole cycle and post cycle so that should keep the heart palpitations at bay...now im somewhat confused on weather or not i should stack formestane with superdrol or wait till post cycle therapy..were u saying not to run together just due to the irritabilty factor? If so i should be ok im a relatively positive person and laid back...let me know
 
alainbballing said:
Was planning on running cycle support through my whole cycle and post cycle so that should keep the heart palpitations at bay...now im somewhat confused on weather or not i should stack formestane with superdrol or wait till post cycle therapy..were u saying not to run together just due to the irritabilty factor? If so i should be ok im a relatively positive person and laid back...let me know
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yup, I'm a cranky high energy prick and the form makes me even worse :head: Go for it dog! Either way should work... I just can't see NEEDING anything to give you a boost while on SD as it's plenty potent enough JMHO.
 
alainbballing said:
The main reason I was planning on adding eform was to help with the major shutdown im expecting from the superdrol cycle
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I be thinking you want something more along the lines of Dermacrine Sustain as the resveratrol will help with that, come to think of it taking Post Cycle Support at a low dose throughout may help with this.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
i see that e-form is out of stock. ive heard rumors that its gone and wont be back,oh well. for those of you who decide to take the plunge and mix your own, i think you will be very shocked that a product that costs so little 'bulk formestane/penetrate less than $30 for a months supply' works so well. for 1st timers i recommend td formestane stacked with a nettle product.
 
Ya, i agree with neo. I don't think formestane will prevent shutdown, although some sites suggest that it supports hpta function... to what extent, I'm not sure and wouldn't bank on it in that fashion. I'd be suprised if it didn't keep libido up though

NasD, I'm just the opposite of lethargic on e-form. I get wired, anxious, hyper, and have trouble sleeping. That's me anyway and eform seems to make me even LOUDER!!!! :head:
 
Convenience sells huh...maybe I should buy up a bunch and mix it to sell! Free enterprise, lol!:head:
 
opfor101 said:
people are too lazy to make it themselves.

this is america we are living in.
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I hate capping and mixing TDs. If it costs a few bucks more to buy the premade, it's TOTALLY worth it to me. No crash, no clogs, no heating, works every time.
 
alainbballing said:
SO SOME GET ON THIS ALREADY IM READY TO PLACE MY ORDER...lol..sorry for the caps
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if its true that e-form is gone look for another company to sell td formestane, but its not going to be cheap. as long as e-form was $15 no one was going to compete. look for a new version of pre mixed to sell between $30-$50. e-form was a sweet deal, RIP.
 
thebigt said:
i see that e-form is out of stock. ive heard rumors that its gone and wont be back,oh well. for those of you who decide to take the plunge and mix your own, i think you will be very shocked that a product that costs so little 'bulk formestane/penetrate less than $30 for a months supply' works so well. for 1st timers i recommend td formestane stacked with a nettle product.
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I'm a first timer on Formestane, and I'm wondering if Alpha Drive XXL is a good stack? I have some left over, so I'm considering throwing it in there.
 
Highlanda01602 said:
I'm a first timer on Formestane, and I'm wondering if Alpha Drive XXL is a good stack? I have some left over, so I'm considering throwing it in there.
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not really, form is really strong stuff and its technically a steroid (a very weak one) its more for on cycle estrogen control than anything, i guess you could combine it with some nettle root and some other test boosters and get a good effect.
 
Highlanda01602 said:
I'm a first timer on Formestane, and I'm wondering if Alpha Drive XXL is a good stack? I have some left over, so I'm considering throwing it in there.
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while alpha has aded in it which is an ai i think it is underdosed in alpha. the lj in alpha is good stuff but many have reported estrogenic symtoms. taking form with alpha makes sense imo.
 
thebigt said:
while alpha has aded in it which is an ai i think it is underdosed in alpha. the lj in alpha is good stuff but many have reported estrogenic symtoms. taking form with alpha makes sense imo.
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form seems a little overkill, it very well could cause estrogen rebound when you come off it.
 
drksun said:
form seems a little overkill, it very well could cause estrogen rebound when you come off it.
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have you ever used form, or are you speaking hypothetically? i have been using off and on for 2 years and never experienced any rebound. taper off and you should be fine.
 
Form is supposed to be back in stock soon over at BN. That is the word straight from the company reps. I made a thread about it over there.
 
I must say that I have had my best mixing results today:

1. 5g's Formestane

2. 5g's B-Androstenetriol

3. 2oz's DMSO

4. 8oz's Penetrate.

Here's how it all came together lovely!

1. Heat water in saucepan / pot until boiling
2. Glass Jar in water with marble in
3. Added 2oz's DMSO and heat
4. Added 1/2 tsp of B-Triol at a time until most mixed in
5. Added some penetrate and allow to heat up to a good temp.
6. Added the rest of the B-Triol stirring all the time while heating.
7. Added Formestane 1/2 tsp at a time stirring consistently
8. Added more penetrate and allow to heat up.
9. Take pan off boil and leave to cool.

All done and success!

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
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Is this normal

Here is a picture (hope you can see what I'm talking about) of my 5g form + 2 oz penetrate + DMSO. I headed the penetrate/DMSO in water bath, just as it started to boil. The form was added about 1 g at a time. It isn't gritty to apply at all but seems to separate so I have to shake like hell with every application. Is this normal or is it falling out of solution? Thanks.

Edit: what you are looking at is the bottom of the glass bottle that I used. It is tilted to the side so it gathers in the corner.
 

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