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Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...

NasD said:
Here is a picture (hope you can see what I'm talking about) of my 5g form + 2 oz penetrate + DMSO. I headed the penetrate/DMSO in water bath, just as it started to boil. The form was added about 1 g at a time. It isn't gritty to apply at all but seems to separate so I have to shake like hell with every application. Is this normal or is it falling out of solution? Thanks.

Edit: what you are looking at is the bottom of the glass bottle that I used. It is tilted to the side so it gathers in the corner.
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Looks like it's falling out of solution, but some good old shaking like you've been doing should make it negligible towards the products effectiveness. If anything add in another couple ounces of Penetrate since your carrier is obviously saturated.
 
Sorry prld2gr8ns, that should have read 5g form + 2 oz DMSO + penetrate. I used all 16 oz of the penetrate.
 
NasD said:
Sorry prld2gr8ns, that should have read 5g form + 2 oz DMSO + penetrate. I used all 16 oz of the penetrate.
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In any case if you want you could heat it again, and maintain it for about 30min with some periodic shaking.

If it's going into solution after shaking and isn't gritting upon application then I really think it's good to go.:thumbsup:
 
Ok thx. I was just checking since I'm not noticing the flush or the libido "sides" :D Most people talk about "feeling" something at 6 ml a day...I'm in the 3rd week now and strength is going up so I guess it's working.
 
Here are some pics of my latest speriment:




This is after I have let the solution cool. As you can see the Penetrate has separated a little. No biggie just shake n use.
 

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Hey guys,
Don't want to try to take it off topic, but I thought I'd throw in the new "Dermacrine" product up for sale at NP. Although I really don't know much about it, it seems to come into play just at the right time (topical Formestane is becoming more and more popular here).

I asked the developer a few questions, and they told me it was a light pro-hormone (sort of how Formestane is a weak steroid).

Anyhow, it's a new DHEA product that has some good backing on the forums. More for test boosting than estrogen control, so it wouldn't really fit as estrogen control post cycle. With all the great feedback on Formestane here, I'm thinking that it has the upper hand at the moment on delivering more results. I'm planning to start my Formestane + Activate Xtreme cycle in a few days, but I'll be keeping an eye out for some more feedback on the Dermacrine product.

Thought I'd just throw that out there, as it caught my eye to be similiar to Formestane... kind of like the "legally made" alternative (although completely different of course molecular wise). Any thoughts on it comparing to Formestane?

Or.... what if... YOU STACKED EM!??! I was reading how Dermacrine does not really restrict estrogen, keeping it to a "healthy amount"... possibly, a 4-week cycle wouldn't be too bad on the joints, and you could stack it with Formestane? Just scheming.... putting all those thanksgiving calories to good use thinkin hard! lol
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Hey guys,
Don't want to try to take it off topic, but I thought I'd throw in the new "Dermacrine" product up for sale at NP. Although I really don't know much about it, it seems to come into play just at the right time (topical Formestane is becoming more and more popular here).

I asked the developer a few questions, and they told me it was a light pro-hormone (sort of how Formestane is a weak steroid).

Anyhow, it's a new DHEA product that has some good backing on the forums. More for test boosting than estrogen control, so it wouldn't really fit as estrogen control post cycle. With all the great feedback on Formestane here, I'm thinking that it has the upper hand at the moment on delivering more results. I'm planning to start my Formestane + Activate Xtreme cycle in a few days, but I'll be keeping an eye out for some more feedback on the Dermacrine product.

Thought I'd just throw that out there, as it caught my eye to be similiar to Formestane... kind of like the "legally made" alternative (although completely different of course molecular wise). Any thoughts on it comparing to Formestane?

Or.... what if... YOU STACKED EM!??! I was reading how Dermacrine does not really restrict estrogen, keeping it to a "healthy amount"... possibly, a 4-week cycle wouldn't be too bad on the joints, and you could stack it with Formestane? Just scheming.... putting all those thanksgiving calories to good use thinkin hard! lol
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i think formestane and dermacrine sustain would be a great stack. only draw back would be application times, dont know if you could layer it.:thumbsup:
 
thebigt said:
i think formestane and dermacrine sustain would be a great stack. only draw back would be application times, dont know if you could layer it.:thumbsup:
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I wouldn't necessarily layer it as theres only so much uptake the dermis can take at any one moment, alternating sights would certainly work quit well though.

A dose of dermacrine on the chest in the morning, form on the back, and at night vice versa.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
I wouldn't necessarily layer it as theres only so much uptake the dermis can take at any one moment, alternating sights would certainly work quit well though.

A dose of dermacrine on the chest in the morning, form on the back, and at night vice versa.
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any thoughts on stacking these two, imo they look like a great stack.
 
Awwwwww ****. I'm contemplating being the guinea pig for this one, but I gotta first run a full cycle of Formestane to scale results. Definitly interested in Dermacrine though.

Just to throw on to the discussion -
The designer writes that Dermacrine needs to be applied once daily (recommends AM shower). This application should be applied in the shoulder/upper back area for maximum effect, as the hormones gather in that area (apparantly so). Since Formestane can be absorbed anywhere where the skin is light, I think that could work to an advantage for sure. I have been applying the largest amount of my Formestane dosages on the upper portions of my thighs, and a good portion behind my knees. I don't see it being a big problem if I were to go with 3ml divided into those areas (I might already be doing 3ml there, lol).
Definitly interested in this stack! What if you threw on Activate Xtreme on top of it all...
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Awwwwww ****. I'm contemplating being the guinea pig for this one, but I gotta first run a full cycle of Formestane to scale results. Definitly interested in Dermacrine though.

Just to throw on to the discussion -
The designer writes that Dermacrine needs to be applied once daily (recommends AM shower). This application should be applied in the shoulder/upper back area for maximum effect, as the hormones gather in that area (apparantly so). Since Formestane can be absorbed anywhere where the skin is light, I think that could work to an advantage for sure. I have been applying the largest amount of my Formestane dosages on the upper portions of my thighs, and a good portion behind my knees. I don't see it being a big problem if I were to go with 3ml divided into those areas (I might already be doing 3ml there, lol).
Definitly interested in this stack! What if you threw on Activate Xtreme on top of it all...
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just to clarify, i am talking about dermacrine sustain-the one with resveratrol. formestane/dermacrine sustain/activate extreme would be as good as any stack you could run outside of ph's, in my humble opinion.
 
thebigt said:
just to clarify, i am talking about dermacrine sustain-the one with resveratrol. formestane/dermacrine sustain/activate extreme would be as good as any stack you could run outside of ph's, in my humble opinion.
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What makes you say that by the way? Would it be too much on the body to run both Formestane and Dermacrine? It is to my understanding that Sustain is more of a test booster, while Dermacrine is more of a weak ph?
 
Highlanda01602 said:
What makes you say that by the way? Would it be too much on the body to run both Formestane and Dermacrine? It is to my understanding that Sustain is more of a test booster, while Dermacrine is more of a weak ph?
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imo resveratrol would stack up very well with the form and activate. it would be my personal choice, just because of my interest in resveratrol. if you decide to go with dermacrine i would be very interested in those results too. ive already decided to run a resveratrol stack just havent decided between sustain and pcs.
 
I think that Form / ActX would be hard on the joints, as too much estrogen control. I would go for Form / Derm, the one that is more of a test booster.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
neoborn said:
I think that Form / ActX would be hard on the joints, as too much estrogen control. I would go for Form / Derm, the one that is more of a test booster.

Much Love,

Neoborn
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I'm stacking it right now and the joints are fine.
 
celc5 said:
I'm stacking it right now and the joints are fine.
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Nice, I'm always up for real world usage than just opinions. This is just what I have heard not what I had experienced. Would be interesting to read any other logs / reports on it.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
Dermacrine is a transdermal hormone-booster that is intended for use on cycle.

Sustain is a transdermal AI with SERM properties that is intended for post cycle therapy. It is intended to be an all-around recovery compound. I'm using it right now as my only post cycle therapy after a mild H-drol cycle.

You could stack Form with Derm, but with Sustain you'd be wiping your Est out completely. Though, that may also be the case with Derm, because I've read that they're the same product, except for DHEA+pregnenolone in Derm.

I have a lot of confidence in transdermal products, and I expect Primordial Performance's entire line-up to be top-notch. I've only been on DS for a couple days (and I'm still on cycle), so I haven't noticed any effects yet.
 
Al Shades said:
Dermacrine is a transdermal hormone-booster that is intended for use on cycle.

Sustain is a transdermal AI with SERM properties that is intended for post cycle therapy. It is intended to be an all-around recovery compound. I'm using it right now as my only post cycle therapy after a mild H-drol cycle.

You could stack Form with Derm, but with Sustain you'd be wiping your Est out completely. Though, that may also be the case with Derm, because I've read that they're the same product, except for DHEA+pregnenolone in Derm.

I have a lot of confidence in transdermal products, and I expect Primordial Performance's entire line-up to be top-notch. I've only been on DS for a couple days (and I'm still on cycle), so I haven't noticed any effects yet.
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there is research surfacing that shows resveratrol to have estrogenic qualities. it is a very beneficial supplement but from what i have learned running resveratrol with an ai like form/6oxo/atd/6-bromo would yield better benefits. remember 6oxo extreme was one of the first products to start all the interest in resveratrol on this board. i ran 2 bottles of 6oxo extreme with great results, but proved to be too pricey long term. i am sure resveratrol/formestane would prove at least equal to results on 6oxo extreme at a MUCH more reasonable price tag. btw good luck, but i would suggest you add an ai to the sustain for pct, just my 2 cents.
 
I kind of have your same thoughts...I am doing Restore, Activate Xtreme, and Alpha Drive XL.

Curious of how adding Dermacrine or Dermacrine Sustain into the stack would work?


Highlanda01602 said:
Awwwwww ****. I'm contemplating being the guinea pig for this one, but I gotta first run a full cycle of Formestane to scale results. Definitly interested in Dermacrine though.

Just to throw on to the discussion -
The designer writes that Dermacrine needs to be applied once daily (recommends AM shower). This application should be applied in the shoulder/upper back area for maximum effect, as the hormones gather in that area (apparantly so). Since Formestane can be absorbed anywhere where the skin is light, I think that could work to an advantage for sure. I have been applying the largest amount of my Formestane dosages on the upper portions of my thighs, and a good portion behind my knees. I don't see it being a big problem if I were to go with 3ml divided into those areas (I might already be doing 3ml there, lol).
Definitly interested in this stack! What if you threw on Activate Xtreme on top of it all...
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this is a COMPLETE NEWB question......but.....once you heat/mix the form into the penetrate, how do you get it all back into the penetrate bottle? :o
 
Skircus7 said:
that's what I was thinking.....so I guess everyone else uses a funnel?


.....I'm ordering it now! :dance:


I wish NP sold funnels!!!! :mad:


:p
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Or if you have steady hands you can try to pour it back in.... ooooor you could us a glass jar with wider mouth and screw top lid and pour the solution into and then just dose with a baby dropper.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Or if you have steady hands you can try to pour it back in.... ooooor you could us a glass jar with wider mouth and screw top lid and pour the solution into and then just dose with a baby dropper.
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prld you cheap a$$ spend the 2 bucks, jk.:lol:
 
I just went to Walmart and got the funnel.....it was like ~1.50.....and I won't have to wory about spilling!!!!
 
Skircus7 said:
I just went to Walmart and got the funnel.....it was like ~1.50.....and I won't have to wory about spilling!!!!
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glad it worked out for you. if only all of life's problems were so easy.
 
Highlanda01602 said:
May I ask what your dosages are? I'm planning to start with 4 caps Activate Xtreme along with 160mg total Formestane daily.
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4 Activate Extreme
2 "old" Activate
4 Alpha Drive XL
4 Lean Extreme
3 pumps eform 2x/day = ~120mg/day

Personally, if I didn't have all this stuff in my stash, I'd just double dose the whole stack (Eform is the ONLY supp that I don't jack up the dosage). Instead adding ingredients and calling products "Extreme", companies just need to double the number of caps per bottle.

neoborn said:
Nice, I'm always up for real world usage than just opinions. This is just what I have heard not what I had experienced. Would be interesting to read any other logs / reports on it.

Much Love,

Neoborn
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The second post has the "quick" summary.
 
thebigt said:
there is research surfacing that shows resveratrol to have estrogenic qualities. it is a very beneficial supplement but from what i have learned running resveratrol with an ai like form/6oxo/atd/6-bromo would yield better benefits. remember 6oxo extreme was one of the first products to start all the interest in resveratrol on this board. i ran 2 bottles of 6oxo extreme with great results, but proved to be too pricey long term. i am sure resveratrol/formestane would prove at least equal to results on 6oxo extreme at a MUCH more reasonable price tag. btw good luck, but i would suggest you add an ai to the sustain for post cycle therapy, just my 2 cents.
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Alright, I'll try to pick up some Form from BN if they ever get in back in stock. Otherwise, I might buy some cheap oral ATD (anyone know cheapest source?) Thanks for the info.
 
Al Shades said:
Alright, I'll try to pick up some Form from BN if they ever get in back in stock. Otherwise, I might buy some cheap oral ATD (anyone know cheapest source?) Thanks for the info.
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the cheapest is atd from nutraplanet, but it looks like atd/inhibit-e are both sold out. if you can't find plain atd spend the extra dough and get novadex xt, its got atd plus some other goodies. since this thread is about formestane why dont you try that. im telling ya formestane/resveratrol stacked together has serious possibilities.
 
thebigt said:
im telling ya formestane/resveratrol stacked together has serious possibilities.
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Yep apparently form is becoming ketchup... take it with every thing. Eggs, steak, meatloaf... it goes good with all kinds of stuff.:D
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Yep apparently form is becoming ketchup... take it with every thing. Eggs, steak, meatloaf... it goes good with all kinds of stuff.:D
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tastes great/less filling. been taking oral formestane/hdx2, going to be changing to either sustain/pcs. btw even though it goes good with everything it's not all that tasty.:cheers:
 
I use an old veg dip glass jar with plastic lid. Works fine for me and I just keep it in the bathroom and just shake, oral syringe out how much I need.

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
neoborn said:
I use an old veg dip glass jar with plastic lid. Works fine for me and I just keep it in the bathroom and just shake, oral syringe out how much I need.

Much Love,

Neoborn
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now thats OLD SCHOOL.
 
Skircus7 said:
I will get mine either today or tm and I'll turn my kitchen into a lab ASAP :cool:

I'll let you know how it goes :D
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it takes 8 different containers to make my pre workout concoction, and thats not counting during and post. i have my own shelf in kitchen cupboard.......................................td's i have to many too mention. neo-buy yourself a funnel, you cheap bustard-send me the bill i'll reimburse you.:trout:
 
thebigt said:
it takes 8 different containers to make my pre workout concoction, and thats not counting during and post. i have my own shelf in kitchen cupboard.......................................td's i have to many too mention. neo-buy yourself a funnel, you cheap bustard-send me the bill i'll reimburse you.:trout:
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L-O-L .....well.......this is my "first time" actually making a transdermal....so it should be fun....I'm not as experienced as you :p
 
just mixed it up....prob took less than 10min from the time I turned on the stove to the time I put my form mix back into the penetrate bottle. It's very easy. It seems like I am going to have to shake the bottle before each use, because it doesn't mix "perfectly" but its not a prob :D
 
Skircus7 said:
just mixed it up....prob took less than 10min from the time I turned on the stove to the time I put my form mix back into the penetrate bottle. It's very easy. It seems like I am going to have to shake the bottle before each use, because it doesn't mix "perfectly" but its not a prob :D
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Will wonders never cease.... you did it, you really did it.:D

Heres to a great experience.:cheers:
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Will wonders never cease.... you did it, you really did it.:D

Heres to a great experience.:cheers:
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LOL :o

I was just worried about spilling some of the form or something! It's only 5g so if you mess up, your screwed!

it's easy though....

great FAQ thread :D
 
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