SERM "frontloading?"

[smokey the bear]

I was wondering what everyones thoughts are on this..

My first question is, once you have completed a cycle, do you typically frontload a high dose SERM to jumpstart testosterone production?

Secondly, is there any one specific SERM (clomid, nolva, torm...) which would best be used in this mannor?

It seems that this is a common practice, to start high then taper doses down. In the past i have practiced the taper down SERM pct.

I am most interested in any ideas about which SERM's would best be used in the first few days following the end of a cycle...

 

[RenegadeRows]

I was wondering what everyones thoughts are on this..

My first question is, once you have completed a cycle, do you typically frontload a high dose SERM to jumpstart testosterone production?

Secondly, is there any one specific SERM (clomid, nolva, torm...) which would best be used in this mannor?

It seems that this is a common practice, to start high then taper doses down. In the past i have practiced the taper down SERM post cycle therapy.

I am most interested in any ideas about which SERM's would best be used in the first few days following the end of a cycle...

Tor and Clomid are the quickest in starting your boys up.
Nolvadex works too just not as quick as those according to anecdotal feedback.

I always go high for the first 3 days of post cycle therapy. For instance if I'm running nolva, I'll do 60mg for the first 3 days, then down to 40mg after that.


One idea is that the half life of nolvadex is a few days, so if you dose 40mg every day for the first week, by the second week the level of tamoxifen in your system will be much higher than 40mg as it has accumulated and therefor only a 'maintenence' dose is neseccary.

Youll see thats what most people recommend, a high dose the first few days, tapering down

 

[smokey the bear]

The reason why i asked these questions is primarily because i have a bottle of torm, and a clomid/tamox blend. I was in the process of setting up pct plans for my next couple cycles that i will be running. So i was trying to come up with a way to utilize both products...

i was thinking about jump starting my pct with 3ml of the clomid/nolva(150/30mg) for 5-7 days, then switching to torm (90/60/30mg) for the remainder of the 4 week pct.

I was thinking that since tamox and clomid are both substantially more toxic than torm, i would take those up front for a short duration, then switch to the torm for a longer period of time.

 

[thesinner]

No need taking more than 40mg of nolvadex, taking anything above 20mg will give litle added advantage to raising test levels. (Note: 20mg Nolvadex = 30.4mg tamoxifen citrate)

 

[smokey the bear]

No need taking more than 40mg of nolvadex, taking anything above 20mg will give litle added advantage to raising test levels. (Note: 20mg Nolvadex = 30.4mg tamoxifen citrate)[/QUO

I totaly forgot to account for the added "weight" brought on by the citrate... so basically, i must take 61mg of tamoxifen citrate in order to achieve a 40mg nolva equivilent...hhmmmm

well, in this case i must use a combination of both the clomid/nolva, and torm solutions, in order to last 2 pct's...(thinking out loud)

what do you think.. should i use the clomid/nolva blend to kickstart pct? The torm to kickstart? or just use the clomid/nolva for the first pct, then use the torm for the second??

 

[RenegadeRows]

No need taking more than 40mg of nolvadex, taking anything above 20mg will give litle added advantage to raising test levels. (Note: 20mg Nolvadex = 30.4mg tamoxifen citrate)

I totaly forgot to account for the added "weight" brought on by the citrate... so basically, i must take 61mg of tamoxifen citrate in order to achieve a 40mg nolva equivilent...hhmmmm

well, in this case i must use a combination of both the clomid/nolva, and torm solutions, in order to last 2 post cycle therapy's...(thinking out loud)

what do you think.. should i use the clomid/nolva blend to kickstart post cycle therapy? The torm to kickstart? or just use the clomid/nolva for the first post cycle therapy, then use the torm for the second??

I'd use the torm up. Maybe the clomid/nolva the first 3 days to jumpstart.

Also, theres alot of companies that account for the difference in liquid/tamoxifen. So 40mg would be 40mg Nolva.

 

[smokey the bear]

I'd use the torm up. Maybe the clomid/nolva the first 3 days to jumpstart.

Also, theres alot of companies that account for the difference in liquid/tamoxifen. So 40mg would be 40mg Nolva.

That is exactly what im going to do....wk1 = 150mg clomid, 30mg nolva... Then wk2/3/4 = torm 90mg/60mg/30mg

This should kick ass...plus i got the gell caps to take away the horrible taste.

 

[smokey the bear]

wait wait hold up people... it appears as if i have fallen into just following the trend with this thread rather than getting anything out of it that i intended.

Why the hell are we all taking such large amounts of these toxic drugs to boost LH, when LH production naturally increases very shortly after exogenous hormones are cleared...

I understand that increasing the LH output to supernatural levels will hasten the rebound of natural testosterone... But, lets say that you were to use HCG from the start of your cycle.. what then would the dosing protocol be??

doing research on HRT, more specifically TRT, has led me to believe that the use of HCG during a cycle of aas will then permit a lower dosing protocol during pct... is my logic flawed, please correct me if i am wrong..