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I wanna use a stack, but can't decide...

MuscleGuyinNY

MuscleGuyinNY

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I must admit that I enjoy these forums much more than nicemuscle.com and bodybuilding.com. I've gotten absolutely nothing from those forums. I've seen more people argue than ask questions, give advice, or talk about supplements.

Please try to bear with me, for I have scattered quite a few questions throughout my post. I really appreciate your patience.

I'm interested in setting up a stack, as well as using some other supplements on the side. However, I'm not sure as to what supplements are okay to use with one another. This is where you guys come in, so I hope you're able to help me.

I've red up about some different supplements and a few different stacks, yet I don't know how to go about to spend my money. I'd mostly looking for building muscle, however, burning some body fat would be nice also. If the body fat burning must come before or after, then so be it.

I'm interested in trying the following... (Feel free to make any suggestions for substitutes and feel free to offer any advice you may have.)

RPM, Drive, Jungle Warfare
Jungle Warfare, Retain2, Mass FX
Epistane
Megabolic-X, Anabol-X (What's more effect; oral or transdermal?), ZMA Nighttime
1-AD
Methyl 1-D, AMS 4-AD
Muscle-Tech Aplodan
DCP, Leviathan

I have the following lined up for post cycle therapy... (Again, feel free to make any suggestions for any substitutions or additions.)

Anabolic Xtreme PCT
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
Milk Thistle
Hawthorne
Novedex XT
Super Cissus RX
Formadrol Extreme
Ultimate Nutrition Saw Palmetto
Syntrax Radox
USPLabs PowerFULL
LiverCare (Liv.52)
ErgoPharm 6-Oxo
Bulk Taurine Powder
Gut Health
EFAs

Other supplements I'd like to take while stacking, if possible, are... (Once again, feel free to make any suggestions for substitutes. If you've tried any of the following, but found a better product with better results, then please let me know.)

BSN N.O.-Xplode
Muscle-Tech NaNO Vapor
VPX NO-Shotgun
Hydroxycut Hardcore (or Lipo 6X)
Gaspari Nutrition SizeOn
Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump250
BSN Syntha-6
ON 100% Whey Protein
Micellar Matrix
Universal Uni-Liver
AST Multi Pro 32X (or GNC Mega Men's Sport Multivitamin)
BSN CellMass
Universal Animal Cuts
Universal Animal Pak
Scivation Xtend
Universal Animal Pump
Syntrax Guggulbolic Extreme
Bulk BCAA's
Bulk Maltodrextin, Dextrose and Waxy Maize (for PWO shake of some sort.)
Bulk Glutamine Powder
Pinnacle NOX2 Overnight Extender
Purple Wraath
IBE x-Lean
TRAC
Universal Animal M-Stak

I apologize if this seems like a whole lot, but several of you have more experience in this subject than I do. That's why I've been doing constant research and am now looking to you guys for advice and suggestions. I'd really appreciate anything you have to offer. Ideas for stacks, dosages, etc.

Thanks to all of you in advance!
 
u dont mean u wanna stack all these do u? or r u trying to make a stack of just a few products chosen form your massive list?
dude, u have to list your stats to.
 
MuscleGuyinNY said:
I must admit that I enjoy these forums much more than nicemuscle.com and bodybuilding.com. I've gotten absolutely nothing from those forums. I've seen more people argue than ask questions, give advice, or talk about supplements.

Please try to bear with me, for I have scattered quite a few questions throughout my post. I really appreciate your patience.

I'm interested in setting up a stack, as well as using some other supplements on the side. However, I'm not sure as to what supplements are okay to use with one another. This is where you guys come in, so I hope you're able to help me.

I've red up about some different supplements and a few different stacks, yet I don't know how to go about to spend my money. I'd mostly looking for building muscle, however, burning some body fat would be nice also. If the body fat burning must come before or after, then so be it.

I'm interested in trying the following... (Feel free to make any suggestions for substitutes and feel free to offer any advice you may have.)

RPM, Drive, Jungle Warfare
Jungle Warfare, Retain2, Mass FX
Epistane
Megabolic-X, Anabol-X (What's more effect; oral or transdermal?), ZMA Nighttime
1-AD
Methyl 1-D, AMS 4-AD
Muscle-Tech Aplodan
DCP, Leviathan

I have the following lined up for post cycle therapy... (Again, feel free to make any suggestions for any substitutions or additions.)

Anabolic Xtreme post cycle therapy
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
Milk Thistle
Hawthorne
Novedex XT
Super Cissus RX
Formadrol Extreme
Ultimate Nutrition Saw Palmetto
Syntrax Radox
USPLabs PowerFULL
LiverCare (Liv.52)
ErgoPharm 6-Oxo
Bulk Taurine Powder
Gut Health
EFAs

Other supplements I'd like to take while stacking, if possible, are... (Once again, feel free to make any suggestions for substitutes. If you've tried any of the following, but found a better product with better results, then please let me know.)

BSN N.O.-Xplode
too much caffeine, not convient because of crashes. decent preworkout mix
Muscle-Tech NaNO Vapor
VPX NO-Shotgun
Hydroxycut Hardcore (or Lipo 6X)
Gaspari Nutrition SizeOn
Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump250
BSN Syntha-6
ON 100% Whey Protein
Micellar Matrix
Universal Uni-Liver
AST Multi Pro 32X (or GNC Mega Men's Sport Multivitamin)
BSN CellMass
Universal Animal Cuts
Universal Animal Pak
Scivation Xtend
Universal Animal Pump
Syntrax Guggulbolic Extreme
Bulk BCAA's
Bulk Maltodrextin, Dextrose and Waxy Maize (for PWO shake of some sort.)
Bulk Glutamine Powder
Pinnacle NOX2 Overnight Extender
Purple Wraath
IBE x-Lean
TRAC
Universal Animal M-Stak

I apologize if this seems like a whole lot, but several of you have more experience in this subject than I do. That's why I've been doing constant research and am now looking to you guys for advice and suggestions. I'd really appreciate anything you have to offer. Ideas for stacks, dosages, etc.

Thanks to all of you in advance!
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Okay at first i was gonna tell you good or badbut you have a lot of supplements here and some that ive never seen or heard of.
Ill speak from personal experience however. Ive tried x-lean purple wraath no explode, rpm, drive and leviathan. I hope your not considering running all of these together. Anyway, because you dont really have your supplements together, id say hold out on the PH cycle. Stick to one PH for beginners to see how well you work with it. Something like epi is recommended as a first. For my first, i would run epi pulsed, along with e-form on off days. I have yet to do it however so i cant speak with first hand experience. Also, X-lean is a nice supplement. It helps when you take too long of a workout at the gym. If i were you id take it 3 times a day depending on your schedule. morning, when coritsol peaks, afternoon when cortisol peaks agian and possibly on workout days after a long workout. Cortisol can peak if your workout was long. you'll notice nice fat lost with x-lean. If your main priority is fat lost I can help you create a nice stack.

This would be a fairly nice recomp stack.

RPM,Drive,Green Magnitude, X-lean, Leviathan, DCP and X-Factor and JW. Id also throw in the super cissus or some incarnate in the mix. I can speak from first hand experience that these supplements stacked together will provide the biggest recomp stack of all time.

RPM in addition with drive has given me considerable fat lost in my mid section. On a super clean bulk with X-factor Im starting to see abs agian on a BULK

Green Magnitude is my favorite creatine. Taste great, simple use. basic supplement.

X-Lean will help with conjunction with RPM and Drive. I have noticed a nice ammount of fat lost on my midsection but the cortisol area (lower abdominal) has the same ammount of cortisol. I am currently not running X-lean however but if i were to throw it in the mix, I would see an icredible fat lost there as well. X-factor and JW or something like X-factor and active would be nice. Im not sure if active, would work well with drive. I know JW would work. Also X-factor will help. Super clean diet avoiding all omega 3 fatty acids on a 50 day trial should add about 5-6 pounds on you. JW can be a bit suppresive to certian individuals. A serm may/may not be run after it.

So here's what you need, Im going to try this stack myself one day in fact.

2 bottles of x-lean running at reg dosages 2-3 per day depending on day.
RPM and Drive, 2 bottles of each
1 bottle of JW
2 bottles of leviathan
2 bottles of DCP
2 bottles of super cissus or incarnate
1 order of 500g bulk Arachidonic acid from nutraplanet(50 day cycle)

That would honestly be the craziest recomp/mass stack. It's gonna be expensive but im pretty sure it would run with great sucess.

If your budget is short do Drive and RPM 2 bottles of each and leviathan(x2). Something along those lines will make a really great cutting fat/building muscle stack. Hope that helps. boy im pooped. Gonna finish my cottage cheese and go to bed. Add some creatine and your good to go. Keeping things basic will help you distinguish how each supplement affected you.

EG- running a ****load of supplements to find that you have a bad reaction. You would therefor have to cut out a lot of **** to find the problem. Keep it simple.

Need a cheaper stack? NHA stack on nutra is like 60 bucks. lean xtreme, active xtreme and alpha drive. you'll see nice results on that as well.
 
Ok its late and yea i skimmed but....
you need to take into consideration age.goals and what you are willing to try. You have PHs, test boosters, weight loss, and others.

No offense but have you even taken the time to look into any of those?

Also, you have a hyyuuuge list for "PCT" i assume you know you only needs those on 1 maybe 2 of the thigns you listed?

I think you should surf a bit aorund here and you'll get alot of info youre looking for.

Its tough to give a long a$$ list like that and expect people to tell you what works and doesnt casue everyones body is different.

So in this i say good luck and take your time venturing into the supplement world.
 
MuscleGuyinNY said:
I must admit that I enjoy these forums much more than nicemuscle.com and bodybuilding.com. I've gotten absolutely nothing from those forums. I've seen more people argue than ask questions, give advice, or talk about supplements.

Please try to bear with me, for I have scattered quite a few questions throughout my post. I really appreciate your patience.

I'm interested in setting up a stack, as well as using some other supplements on the side. However, I'm not sure as to what supplements are okay to use with one another. This is where you guys come in, so I hope you're able to help me.

I've red up about some different supplements and a few different stacks, yet I don't know how to go about to spend my money. I'd mostly looking for building muscle, however, burning some body fat would be nice also. If the body fat burning must come before or after, then so be it.

I'm interested in trying the following... (Feel free to make any suggestions for substitutes and feel free to offer any advice you may have.)

RPM, Drive, Jungle Warfare
Jungle Warfare, Retain2, Mass FX
Epistane
Megabolic-X, Anabol-X (What's more effect; oral or transdermal?), ZMA Nighttime
1-AD
Methyl 1-D, AMS 4-AD
Muscle-Tech Aplodan
DCP, Leviathan

I have the following lined up for post cycle therapy... (Again, feel free to make any suggestions for any substitutions or additions.)

Anabolic Xtreme post cycle therapy
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
Milk Thistle
Hawthorne
Novedex XT
Super Cissus RX
Formadrol Extreme
Ultimate Nutrition Saw Palmetto
Syntrax Radox
USPLabs PowerFULL
LiverCare (Liv.52)
ErgoPharm 6-Oxo
Bulk Taurine Powder
Gut Health
EFAs

Other supplements I'd like to take while stacking, if possible, are... (Once again, feel free to make any suggestions for substitutes. If you've tried any of the following, but found a better product with better results, then please let me know.)

BSN N.O.-Xplode
Muscle-Tech NaNO Vapor
VPX NO-Shotgun
Hydroxycut Hardcore (or Lipo 6X)
Gaspari Nutrition SizeOn
Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump250
BSN Syntha-6
ON 100% Whey Protein
Micellar Matrix
Universal Uni-Liver
AST Multi Pro 32X (or GNC Mega Men's Sport Multivitamin)
BSN CellMass
Universal Animal Cuts
Universal Animal Pak
Scivation Xtend
Universal Animal Pump
Syntrax Guggulbolic Extreme
Bulk BCAA's
Bulk Maltodrextin, Dextrose and Waxy Maize (for PWO shake of some sort.)
Bulk Glutamine Powder
Pinnacle NOX2 Overnight Extender
Purple Wraath
IBE x-Lean
TRAC
Universal Animal M-Stak

I apologize if this seems like a whole lot, but several of you have more experience in this subject than I do. That's why I've been doing constant research and am now looking to you guys for advice and suggestions. I'd really appreciate anything you have to offer. Ideas for stacks, dosages, etc.

Thanks to all of you in advance!
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BB.com is for high schoolers and homosexuals. Welcome to AM:head:
 
Wow, thats a p*ssload of supps. My advice to you would be to check out some logs in the supp review section. Decide what your goal is (bulk/lean mass, lose weight, or whatever), and narrow down your list to a specific product. Then people can make suggestions and so forth. I will however tell you that AMS 4-ad is a waste of money. I fell for their tricks when it first came out. Also, I heard that methyl 1-d is trash as well.
 
Here's what I would use out of your list, for mostly muscle gain, and some fat loss..

RPM
Drive
ZMA Nighttime
Leviathan

no need for post cycle therapy for any of those, but out of your PCT stuff, i'd take the following anyhow during the stack

Super Cissus RX
USPLabs PowerFULL
Bulk Taurine Powder
Gut Health
EFAs

and then out of the others

ON 100% Whey Protein
Universal Animal Pak
Scivation Xtend
Bulk Maltodrextin, Dextrose and Waxy Maize (for PWO shake of some sort.)
Bulk Glutamine Powder

plus i need to add in

Neovar
fish oil

This gives you drive, zma, leviathan and powerfull as testosterone boosters / lean mass gaining aids and they all use somewhat different paths to do it. RPM + leviathan also will give you some pre-workout stim so no need for any of the no-shotgun type drinks. The super cissus for healing + recovery time, and the rest are basically essentials to take all the time. Neovar is a nutrient repartitioning creatine product, and really helps both with size, strength and weight/size loos.
 
This is going to be a tough call, as people see things differently. You would get a lot of suggestions, but in the final analysis, you would have to decide which way to go.

Your main objective appears to be building muscle. And getting some body recompositon in the process.

The following is based on the assumption that your diet and training are supportive of your goals.

To build muscle, you need some creatine product. Personally, I would recommend MST's Ragnarok or AN's NeoVar. There are other alternatives, too. You also need a quality protein product. Without amino acids/proteins, muscle growth would be a major challenge.

To check anti-catabolism that tends to accompany muscle gains, consider supplementing with EAAs/BCAAs and additional L-Leucine. One non-amino acid product of valuable use is AN's Drive.

Adding weight and adding muscles create additional stress on joints and ligaments, so you might want to take some cissus product and a good source of essential fatty acid (omega-3). Some good cissus products include Osteobolin-C, Super Cissus Rx, PrimaForce Cissus, and Bulk Cissus, and Incarnate.

To support recomposition and ensure quality lean mass, consider Drive/DCP/Leviathan Reloaded/Lipotrophin PM or Drive/DCP/Lipotrophin PM/Shred-XS Hardcore. If you desire a stimulant-based product, add RPM to any of the two options here. Another alternative here would be Drive/DCP/Shred-XS Hardcore/IGF-2.

Be sure to have a good multivitamin-mineral product. My favourites are MVP-365 and ZMK, as a complete stack. Add a good antioxidant complex to the mix, too. Post Cycle Support is a good product, thanks to the potent blend, although you do not strictly need a post-cycle therapy from the stacks suggested above.

Wish you success with your final decision :D
 
I just got a small sample pack AN Drive. Let me tell you I have been taking RPM, Cordygen5, Ultimate Mass Pump Stack, Poseidon, Giant Nutrition Res-V, Now Curcumin, Na-r-ALA, ALCAR, and PLCAR. I started taking 4 capsules Friday of the AN Drive and forgot about taking it. Friday night had good dreams all night, and was a horny animal all day yesterday and last night even after a grueling full body workout. I did some of my best work last night! This stuff really made an impact on me and as soon as I can I will be getting some of this.

So for a Sexy T-booster/Recomp
RPM/Cordygen5/AN Drive/Res-v/Curcumin/ALCAR-PLCAR/Leviathan
 
I really appreciate the input so far, guys. Thank you so much! I've read through all of your posts and did some more research, especially on the supplements you all suggested.

So far, I'm thinking about this as a current stack;

AN RPM
AN Drive
Leviathan Reloaded
Jungle Warfare
RPN DCP
USPLabs PowerFULL
Super Cissus RX
X Factor
Scivation Xtend (This can be consumed during a workout, correct?)
100% Whey Protein (Maybe Micellar Matrix instead.)
Universal Nutrition Torrent

(Could I possibly substitute Neovar with something such as BSN N.O.-Xplode and BSN CellMass? I've had great past results using these in conjuction. I've also heard that Muscle-Tech's NaNO Vapor is great, especially since it contains about 5 different forms of creatine. Please let me know if this would be okay. Any more suggestions would be greatly appreciated.)

Do Musle-Tech's Aplodan and Anator P-70 actually work in activating dormant muscle fibers? If so, then this is very interesting and I'd be interested in such a supplement.

Would it be okay to take Pinnacle's NOX2 Xtender? According to the product's description, I could take this before bedtime to extend NO activity throughout my body during sleep.

Along with taking such a stack, I've decided that I'll take the following for overall general health and well-being;

AST Multi Pro 32X (Is this any better than GNC's Mega Men Sport Multivitamin? Anyone know? I've also noticed that MVP 365 and ZMK would accompany one another in a good multivitamin stack. Is this superior or inferior to Universal Animal Pak? I've always wanted to try that because I've red a lot of threads about it being a great multivitamin.)
Bulk EAAs/BCAAs (Any recommendations as to what brands or does it not matter?)
Bulk Taurine
AX Perfect Cycle, AI Cycle Support, SAMe, or Liv. 52 (What do all of you suggest?)
Bulk Glutamine
Gut Health
Universal Uni-Liver
EFA Gold

Would Syntrax Radox be okay to include with the above? I realize that it's an anti-oxidant, so I figured it'd be alright. I just don't wanna spend money on that if one of the supplements in my stack acts as an anti-oxidant as well.

I've heard a lot about Syntrax Guggulbolic. I've red up on it. Would it be necessary or helpful in anyway?

Are there any more suggestions you can make for additions or substitutions to my stack for working out or my stack for my health?

Thanks again, guys!
 
I, as all of you, am very worried about making gains and not keeping them. If I can't keep all of them, but can keep most of them and lose very little, then that's good enough for me. I could always make more gains down the road. But I was wondering; Are there any supplements that help with protecting your gains and preventing any loss?

Thanks again.
 
MuscleGuyinNY said:
I, as all of you, am very worried about making gains and not keeping them. If I can't keep all of them, but can keep most of them and lose very little, then that's good enough for me. I could always make more gains down the road. But I was wondering; Are there any supplements that help with protecting your gains and preventing any loss?

Thanks again.
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You only need to worry about post cycle stuff if you're going the PH route. The natural stuff won't shut down your own test production, so there's no need to worry about it.

The best way to ensure that you keep muscle that you've gained using the natural type supplements is with the appropriate diet and a good, consistent, training program.
 
Dude, please please please dont do all this at one time. Are u kidding? Just stack 3 or 4 of these together and you will have a solid stack and then add your daily supplements along with it. Dont try and do it all at once.

Here is my stack advice....

DRIVE
RPM
XFACTOR OR POWERFULL

along with
multi
whey pp
gut health
fish oil
BCAA
maybe some cissus if u wanna keep adding stuff

MuscleGuyinNY said:
I really appreciate the input so far, guys. Thank you so much! I've read through all of your posts and did some more research, especially on the supplements you all suggested.

So far, I'm thinking about this as a current stack;

AN RPM
AN Drive
Leviathan Reloaded
Jungle Warfare
RPN DCP
USPLabs PowerFULL
Super Cissus RX
X Factor
Scivation Xtend (This can be consumed during a workout, correct?)
100% Whey Protein (Maybe Micellar Matrix instead.)
Universal Nutrition Torrent

(Could I possibly substitute Neovar with something such as BSN N.O.-Xplode and BSN CellMass? I've had great past results using these in conjuction. I've also heard that Muscle-Tech's NaNO Vapor is great, especially since it contains about 5 different forms of creatine. Please let me know if this would be okay. Any more suggestions would be greatly appreciated.)

Do Musle-Tech's Aplodan and Anator P-70 actually work in activating dormant muscle fibers? If so, then this is very interesting and I'd be interested in such a supplement.

Would it be okay to take Pinnacle's NOX2 Xtender? According to the product's description, I could take this before bedtime to extend NO activity throughout my body during sleep.

Along with taking such a stack, I've decided that I'll take the following for overall general health and well-being;

AST Multi Pro 32X (Is this any better than GNC's Mega Men Sport Multivitamin? Anyone know? I've also noticed that MVP 365 and ZMK would accompany one another in a good multivitamin stack. Is this superior or inferior to Universal Animal Pak? I've always wanted to try that because I've red a lot of threads about it being a great multivitamin.)
Bulk EAAs/BCAAs (Any recommendations as to what brands or does it not matter?)
Bulk Taurine
AX Perfect Cycle, AI Cycle Support, SAMe, or Liv. 52 (What do all of you suggest?)
Bulk Glutamine
Gut Health
Universal Uni-Liver
EFA Gold

Would Syntrax Radox be okay to include with the above? I realize that it's an anti-oxidant, so I figured it'd be alright. I just don't wanna spend money on that if one of the supplements in my stack acts as an anti-oxidant as well.

I've heard a lot about Syntrax Guggulbolic. I've red up on it. Would it be necessary or helpful in anyway?

Are there any more suggestions you can make for additions or substitutions to my stack for working out or my stack for my health?

Thanks again, guys!
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