Epi 10mgs for 1 month?

[json75]

Just kinda thinking out loud here. I'm thinking that a 10mg dose proly wont shut you down. I've actually read debates argued that at this dose it merely acts as an anti e, possibilly increasing LH production..

So I'm curious if there would at all be any benefit in doing this.

Always just thinking of ways to be slightly more anabolic than my body would naturally be with out shutting myself down.

Thanks!

 

[stxnas]

I remember others asking about this before too...if I weren't so tired I'd search it for ya...if your suspicions are acurate though, 10mg of epithio with some bulk nettle would be pretty bad ass IMO. I'll be paying attention to what those in the know have to say about this.

 

[Cellardude]

i think you need a higher dosage of possibly 40mg for the anti e effect. And im pretty sure 10mg you would still probably get shut down just for the fact that your running it every day.(actually im not sure. :lol: maybe someone could correct me, Im sorta curious as well) Maybe you should try a pulse. search for it, you should find some pretty neat info on it.

 

[pudzian2]

I think it would work. There have been no real tests with bloodwork to see if this holds true. however mild, it's still 17AA, and at 10mg you probably won't notice much. I would either advise against using anything, or just run a legit cycle of epi with 30-40mg. You will be happy. Personally I used epi to kickoff my Test and EQ cycle that I'm on right now, and I pushed it up to 60mg per day, NO shutdown or so it seemed, (4 weeks). I'm sure if I continued another week or two, I'd probably start shutting down but hey, it depends on the individual...

 

[stxnas]

Enjoy the read, you might be surprised:

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[json75]

I remember others asking about this before too...if I weren't so tired I'd search it for ya...if your suspicions are acurate though, 10mg of epithio with some bulk nettle would be pretty bad ass IMO. I'll be paying attention to what those in the know have to say about this.

Right!! My thoughts exactly, however I was considering Activate XT to run along side the 10mg epi dose.

I'm on Dermacrine Sustain and Post Cycle Support right now, I'll continue this stack for another month (total 2months).

After this, I believe I'll have very high range testosterone circulating thru my body, at this point I'll start my 10mg epi plus Activate for one month and then go back to Sustain plus Post cycle Support for 2 months. If all goes well I'll continue to repeat this indefinitely.....

I'm done with shutting my test down, I've done that too much throughout my 20's. However I'm not done searching for new innovative ways to optimize my own body's Test production.

Epi Has been compared to Masteron, and Masteron is known for not being suppressive, so I really don't think 10mgs would shut you down.

 

[pistonpump]

i dont think it would shut you down either. If you take it in the morning and workout during the day i think it could add some added anabolism and LH stimulation props to the plate not to mention a possible libido boost. I say go for it and tell us of your gains and perceptions. 10mg epi may be a small amount but im willing to bet itll produce more gains then lets say....BadAssMass or other natural supplements that are out there.

 

[json75]

i dont think it would shut you down either. If you take it in the morning and workout during the day i think it could add some added anabolism and LH stimulation props to the plate not to mention a possible libido boost. I say go for it and tell us of your gains and perceptions. 10mg epi may be a small amount but im willing to bet itll produce more gains then lets say....BadAssMass or other natural supplements that are out there.

Word!

 

[nycste]

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[stxnas]

Here's the "meat and potatoes" of that thread:

Hopefully the auspicious title caught your attention, though it is slightly misleading. All the discussion surrounding this compound has me interested in running it for the duration of an injectable cycle. Now, before anybody says "that's crazy, 16 weeks on an oral" hear my reasoning.

Epistane/Havoc's SERM-like ability was pronounced on paper, and this has, by the anecdotal reports, translated to practical use. As a result, and while reviewing my upcoming cycle plan, I began pondering replacing an AI (A'Dex/Letro) with Epistane for gyno prevention. As I see it, this has obvious benefits over an AI (libido, and added anabolism the obvious effects). Now, obviously, of chief concern with methylated steroids are Lipid and Liver values. Let's take a moment to examine both of these as they pertain to Epistane compared to an AI like Letro, as well as some questions which would need to be addressed.

We all know that Letro, for example, destroys your lipid panel as a result of how effective it is at lowering estrogen. Epistane, on the other hand, seems to be a very lipid-panel friendly oral, at least from the tester bloodwork I have seen. However, I wonder if these friendly results are duration dependent, and only seemed as positive because of the shorter length. Even with that being so, I still cannot fathom that Epi would be any worse on one's lipid panel than Letro for the same amount of time.

Next, and of most concern, are the liver enzymes. I think the question which is most pertinent to this issue, is whether more damage would be caused by a large, acute build-up of metabolites, or a smaller, prolonged build-up. If, say, someone were to dose 40mg for 4 weeks, would that theoretically be worse on one's liver than 10mg for 16 weeks? Obviously, less metabolites would be built up at once, though the liver would be under stress for a much longer time period.

That point brings up my last question which needs to be addressed: Is Epistane's SERM-like ability dose-dependent as its anabolic effects? If so, this experiment would be necessarily pointless, however, if the SERM effect manifests itself at lower dosages than I think this could be a very viable option.

I would just like to say, I have not decided exactly what I am going to do and I merely made this thread for justification. I would very much like some input from individuals smarter than I.

I don't feel that just Epi by itself would be something I would consider for that duration. I think the last question is what this really hinges on. I want to run it for the SERM like ability, as opposed to added anabolism.

I also think this would be much easier on joints. Much, much, easier. (he's comparing it to letro in response to somebody asking how epi would be run for a long duration by itself at low doses)

I think your reasoning is very legit. It would be liver and lipid friendly if the right ancillaries were used (oils, etc..) or if doses were kept reasonably low (20mg/d), or even pulsed high (40mg EOD). Even just 10mg/d would provide an excellent letro substitute I think, though my blood values only reflected 6wks of use at 45mg. I would not have been scared to go longer. I never felt threatened, I felt great the whole time actually.

The SERM-like effect can actually exhibit itself in the 10mg ranges. I doubt the anabolism at that particular dosage would be much to brag about but in studies with its parent compound Epitiostanol, dosages of 10-20mg were used to reduce gyno in males and the only side effect seen was increased libido by 1 person lol. Side effect? . Anyways, the 17aa version is much more potent and people are seeing reductions in gyno at the 20mg dosage. Over at the IBE forums Carpediemguy just posted:

" carpediemguy08 Offline
Associate Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 61
Default Gyno Reduction Already On Day 3!
On the left side it was about a thick quarter in size, and on the right it was about a dime in size.

Day 3 @ 20mg = dime on left side, small pea size on the right side


HOLY ****!! I didn't notice because usually when the size changes it feels sore, but i was just on the couch this morning and checked and the size difference was ridiculous!'

edit:

Let me say it again. THE CHANGE IN SIZE IS RIDICULOUS, especially so soon!"

That shows the potentially strong effects of the compound at reducing gyno in some. I personally feel it is equally important to watch lipids and liver values. Dr.D ran 40mg for like 6 weeks and his blood work is posted on IBE Forums. In the lower dosages this compound can be used to increase protein synthesis and gain an attractive amount of lean mass for longer periods of time. This is why the Epi pulse cycle is becoming so popular. Barely any shut down and increased anabolism. It would be interesting to see blood work of someone running Epi at 30mg 3x/week after say 6 weeks or so.

 

[methodice]

Has anyone done 10-20 mg dose, either pulsed or non pulsed and logged results?

I am looking for a supp that would do something along the lines of this: Possibly low dose epi be to add a bit of anabolism, a bit of anti estro, and dose it low so the shutdown/rebound effects would be small, and I could get away with a non presciption supps for post cycle therapy. I don't have gyno at present I think, however I think I am prone.

 

[pistonpump]

Has anyone done 10-20 mg dose, either pulsed or non pulsed and logged results?

I am looking for a supp that would do something along the lines of this: Possibly low dose epi be to add a bit of anabolism, a bit of anti estro, and dose it low so the shutdown/rebound effects would be small, and I could get away with a non presciption supps for post cycle therapy. I don't have gyno at present I think, however I think I am prone.

are you going to do it and if so, when?

I might be able to do this for a month before a full blown cycle, only concern is i might not respond to the other anabolics as much when i start them full cycle...maybe 10mg first thing in the day would be okay.

 

[methodice]

No I am merely enquiring about it. I would wonder if dosing in this fashion would be wasting it.

I read a post by Dr.D from march mentioning to dose the epi in the morn and earlier hours of the day to reduce degree of shutdown.

Theres alot of info on this site, but it's hard to search for all the quality posts. And experts that may say something earlier in the year might have changed their minds about xyz later in the year.

 

[stxnas]

Methodice, you might want to read through this thread and possibly even bump it with your question.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/68312-results-pulsing-thread.html

 

[pistonpump]

anytime you dose at the start of the day you defer suppression a little. You give your body time at night to get its natural balance, the epi is already cleared or almost cleared by then. I work out in the begining of my day anyway so it would work out, not to mention i got a bottle free from Genera so i might be able to experiment

 

[Irish Cannon]

I've been thinking about doing that for a while, but I've been pretty happy being natural as of late. I'll probably buy a bottle at some point and hold on to it until I decide to try this. However, I'd probably do it longer than a month. 6-8 weeks possibly, ran alongside a few other things .