ZMA and Copper relationship

rick055

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I have heard that if you take ZMA you should take copper to "balance it out".

What is the purpose and how much?

I take 3 ZMA caps at night, my multi has 15 mg zinc (taken in the a.m.) and it also contains 2 mg copper.

Does that sound good?
 
How much total Zinc are you taking?

I'm on 50mg/day with no adverse effects so far. I've heard that more than 50mg and you need to add copper. HAN recommended 2mg/day copper.

Mark
 
MarkLA said:
How much total Zinc are you taking?

I'm on 50mg/day with no adverse effects so far. I've heard that more than 50mg and you need to add copper. HAN recommended 2mg/day copper.

Mark
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30 mg from ZMA at night and 15 mg from multi during the day; 45 mg total per day.
 
rick055 said:
So at 50 mgs zinc, 4 mgs copper would be a good idea?

Also, should you take the copper at night with the ZMA or during the day with the multi?
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No calcium, iron, copper 2 hours prior before ZMA they compete for same receptors and would cancel out the zinc.

4 gms of copper is fine, BUT you also get some from your food so becareful and if you have high estrogen levels copper absorption is increased dramatically.
 
hardasnails1973 said:
No calcium, iron, copper 2 hours prior before ZMA they compete for same receptors and would cancel out the zinc.

4 gms of copper is fine, BUT you also get some from your food so becareful and if you have high estrogen levels copper absorption is increased dramatically.
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Thank you for that excellent answer. reps!!
 
hardasnails1973 said:
No calcium, iron, copper 2 hours prior before ZMA they compete for same receptors and would cancel out the zinc.

4 gms of copper is fine, BUT you also get some from your food so becareful and if you have high estrogen levels copper absorption is increased dramatically.
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HAN, can you share any other tips on the best time to be taking/not taking particular supplements?

Thanks,

Mark
 
HAN,

You mention not taking calcium at the same time as zinc.

This is one I was aware of as I understand calcium to be a large molecule which can block absorbtion of other vitamins/minerals.

So here's the $50 question: Why do multivitamins contain calcium? Most of the multis I see contain 200 mg calcium. Does that amount inhibit any other vitamins?
 
rick055 said:
HAN,

You mention not taking calcium at the same time as zinc.

This is one I was aware of as I understand calcium to be a large molecule which can block absorbtion of other vitamins/minerals.

So here's the $50 question: Why do multivitamins contain calcium? Most of the multis I see contain 200 mg calcium. Does that amount inhibit any other vitamins?
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90% of the vitamins are garbage and contain too large dosages of calcium which offset other minerals iron, magneisum, zinc. They are also biounavaialble to the body because they are in either carbonate or oxide form which breaks down to 10% of elemental form so 1000 mgs calcium carbonate may be if all stomach acids are optimal gives you 200-300 mgs of elemental calcium, zinc oxide 15 mgs barely give 5 mgs of zinc and you lose that when you blow a load.

I like a multivitamin for men lower in calcium and so one can add more calcium later in the day. Thats why I love intramax its perfectly balanced to avoid this compeition between nutrients.
 
hardasnails1973 said:
90% of the vitamins are garbage and contain too large dosages of calcium which offset other minerals iron, magneisum, zinc. They are also biounavaialble to the body because they are in either carbonate or oxide form which breaks down to 10% of elemental form so 1000 mgs calcium carbonate may be if all stomach acids are optimal gives you 200-300 mgs of elemental calcium, zinc oxide 15 mgs barely give 5 mgs of zinc and you lose that when you blow a load.

I like a multivitamin for men lower in calcium and so one can add more calcium later in the day. Thats why I love intramax its perfectly balanced to avoid this compeition between nutrients.
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Those look great but are too expensive for me.

I just found out LEF's 2 per day only has 20 mg calcium and would only cost about $7.00 per month. The forms are better, too - no oxides, etc...

It doesn't have any copper though, so I would need to add that separately, but copper is cheap; plus I can take it later in the day away from the multi.

Would copper compete Vitamin C or DHEA? I take a second serving of those with dinner.
 
rick055 said:
Those look great but are too expensive for me.

I just found out LEF's 2 per day only has 20 mg calcium and would only cost about $7.00 per month. The forms are better, too - no oxides, etc...

It doesn't have any copper though, so I would need to add that separately, but copper is cheap; plus I can take it later in the day away from the multi.

Would copper compete Vitamin C or DHEA? I take a second serving of those with dinner.
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When buying multivitamin you get what you pay for and one of the things I would spend the extra money is a good multivitamin. ok out of those vitamins 90% you waste and 10% your body takes couple that with hard core traning and daily stress you are looking at major dietary defieincies..
How i got my self into this mess in the first place. after 8 weeks of taking crappy multivitamin my body begin to break down. i will never chance that again

suggestion
country life men's formula taken 1 pill 2 times aday
more extra mmineral support VPX CMZ
add in iron or copper if blood results reflect it
b complex 3 times a day
1000 mgs ester c 3 times a day
all basis should be covered.

Yes 65 bucks is alot BUT it can knock out about 200 bucks worth of liver clenser, fiber supplments, probiotics, and also replenishedd amino acids, and other antioxidents
 
hardasnails1973 said:
When buying multivitamin you get what you pay for and one of the things I would spend the extra money is a good multivitamin. ok out of those vitamins 90% you waste and 10% your body takes couple that with hard core traning and daily stress you are looking at major dietary defieincies..
How i got my self into this mess in the first place. after 8 weeks of taking crappy multivitamin my body begin to break down. i will never chance that again

suggestion
country life men's formula taken 1 pill 2 times aday
more extra mmineral support VPX CMZ
add in iron or copper if blood results reflect it
b complex 3 times a day
1000 mgs ester c 3 times a day
all basis should be covered.

Yes 65 bucks is alot BUT it can knock out about 200 bucks worth of liver clenser, fiber supplments, probiotics, and also replenishedd amino acids, and other antioxidents
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With my report from:
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)
at hand I am in a process of completing questionare from
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that my doc have given to me.
I list all my medicines and supplements that I am taking.

It looks to me like they will tell me to drop everything that I am buying from LEF and will try to sell me their product.

Depending on respectability of company that may be either good or bad.

Have you ever heard of:

CustomVite.com

Nutrilab, LLC.
P.O. Box 895
260 Docks Corner Road
Dayton, NJ 08810

They are probably located relatively close to you.
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I will make attempt at not buying any of their product, but getting list of recomendations.

If they use once word "proprietary" and want to make me go without a complete disclosure, I am dropping them.
Actually I will have a talk with my doc to figure out before hand, the end product that I can expect.
 
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