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that still is just more calorie intake. had you spread those calories over the waking time, I think the effect would have been within ounces weightwise
 
xjsynx said:
Why would I keep eggs let alone raw eggs in the kitchen? I was thinking more like the bathroom....

I'm sorry but I don't know one person who would wake up in the middle of the might and chow down on a granola bar? Wil, Easy, would you? BP and I already had this talk....
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Nope...I pee and go back to sleep...IF I'm REALLY hungry, I'll eat a TB of Natty PB so the fat will keep me satisfied till morning.
 
smeton_yea said:
I got up to 230 lbs (naturally before I ever used mohn or superdrol),this is when I was squatting 405 and had thirty inchquads, now there 25 inches because I dont want them big because my valves are out of proportion with them and im bring up my calves to match by setting up a timer and downer protein shakes in the middle of the night. I got this from Josh Dickenson and Australian friend who is a natural bodybuilder and writer for bodybuilding.com. IT works! I just dotn like interupting my sleep.so if your really after more size set a time in the middle of the night. Jay Cutler does this
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Nothing new slick. Dan Duchaine had diets where he had one wake every 2-3 hours...
 
thewilman said:
Hey J...would pinning go against straight edge principles?

Just curious?
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I can make arguments for both sides. And I know a couple of SXE cats who have pinned.

The main philosophy of SXE is clarity of mind, but some take it further. One of the first SXE songs said "No Drinking, No Smoking, No F**king"

And it has evolved from their, to some people abstaining from caffeine.

I think the bottom line is why are you pinning?

What about as a Christian is pinning a sin?
 
thewilman said:
Nope...I pee and go back to sleep...IF I'm REALLY hungry, I'll eat a TB of Natty PB so the fat will keep me satisfied till morning.
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The only time I eat late night is on weekends. I fall asleep watching TV and wake up hungry....I will go upstairs to the kitchen and eat almost anything.....
 
smeton_yea said:
Sleep is sooo important!

A few tips

Get night sleep verses day sleep
Keep sleep environment cool (68-73) I like around 70
Lavender promotes a deep sleep and anxitey reducing
a hot bath before bed relaxes.
Have your protein powder out(and maybe some raw eggs) in the kitchen and go for that instead of the granola bars
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EasyEJL said:
I think it was something a tard in the gym said. and the deadlift hexagon is 35?

No I wouldnt eat a granola bar during the night, I actually think eating just cause I wake up is silly. anything you take in will throw off the sleep mechanisms at that point. maybe 5-10g of bcaas in water would be ok, but I wouldnt even do that. the difference in terms of muscle gains in a week of eating at night vs not would still be insignificant
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Just do this when people try to talk to you in the gym

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xjsynx said:
I can make arguments for both sides. And I know a couple of SXE cats who have pinned.

The main philosophy of SXE is clarity of mind, but some take it further. One of the first SXE songs said "No Drinking, No Smoking, No F**king"

And it has evolved from their, to some people abstaining from caffeine.

I think the bottom line is why are you pinning?

What about as a Christian is pinning a sin?
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I agree...the motivation is the key with almost everything.

I would have to say in MOST cases yes, it would be. In the US obviously, it's illegal - that alone makes it a sin, since the law is not an immoral law. But then it would be the motivation...in most cases, it's vanity. :bb3:

But it still crosses my mind :D
 
thewilman said:
I agree...the motivation is the key with almost everything.

I would have to say in MOST cases yes, it would be. In the US obviously, it's illegal - that alone makes it a sin, since the law is not an immoral law. But then it would be the motivation...in most cases, it's vanity. :bb3:

But it still crosses my mind :D
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Well in that case, workout is vanity ;)

I say if you are pinning and you stay the same person, I believe you are alright. But if you turn into some piece of crap person, then I would view it differently.
 
natedogg said:
Dude, I've lost 11 pounds on Epistane. Am I supposed to eat and workout while I'm using it? Also, is post cycle therapy necessary? ;)
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I've never been big on eating alot, except for when I first started training 13 years ago. I'm eating now, at age 32, how I ate at 22. Everything I can get my hands on...or there abouts.

I nearly doubled my caloric intake from maintenance (I didn't use a fancy internet calculator thingy...I just never gained or lost any weight with what I was eating), and now I'm eating an approximate ~3500 cal per day, and eating some carbs before bed even.

I'm dosing the Epi 10mg in the morning upon waking, 10mg at lunch, and 20mg before hitting the gym. I'm tempted to go 50mg next week......

I noticed last night too with some pre-going to bed flexing in the mirror, I have veins in my traps and all over my delts and chest that I didn't have a year ago.

And I'm finally able to hack squat a total of 8 plates for reps, and in the next few weeks I feel like I should be able to nail 10 plates. And by nail them I mean dry hump them on the hack squat machine.
 
xjsynx said:
Well in that case, workout is vanity ;)
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Agreed...in my case it is. I like the strength aspect, but looking good is a BIG part of it. This is a vane world. People spend tens of thousands of $$$ to get plastic surgery...that, imho, is a sin.


xjsynx said:
I say if you are pinning and you stay the same person, I believe you are alright. But if you turn into some piece of crap person, then I would view it differently.
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A lot of guys do though, no? They become much more aggressive especially if thye were picked on as kids.
 
One final note before I get my ass back to work...

I should have ordered my taurine a week earlier than I did. That stuff quashes my muscle cramps like no other! Potassium didn't do **** for me, and now that I've been out of taurine for a week and a half now my biceps keep cramping up on me. My back is starting to, but so far no quad or calf cramps. Before taurine I almost hit the floor at the gym as I stepped off the hack squat machine. I got a 'bee sting' in each quad and I had to grab on to the nearest machine to hold my self up. I got some strange looks that day.
 
thewilman said:
Thanks...did you ramp up to 40mg?
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Yes. I started out on a thursday and ramped 10mg, 10mg, 10mg, then 20mg sunday, so Monday was day 1, at 20mg.
Ran that for a week, and went to 30mg, and now week 3 at 40mg.

I can't decide whether to stay at 40mg for week 4-6 or go up 50mg. I don't wanna get greedy.
 
EasyEJL said:
I think it was something a tard in the gym said. and the deadlift hexagon is 35?

No I wouldnt eat a granola bar during the night, I actually think eating just cause I wake up is silly. anything you take in will throw off the sleep mechanisms at that point. maybe 5-10g of bcaas in water would be ok, but I wouldnt even do that. the difference in terms of muscle gains in a week of eating at night vs not would still be insignificant
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I've had some trouble sleeping when I do BCAA at night. There was some info on leucine competing with tryptophan which may be the reason.
 
In addendum, yes this is my first Epi run. Never ran something I liked as much as this. I loved running E-Pol, but I can do stuff like sleep on Epistane.
 
Dr Packenwood said:
Yes. I started out on a thursday and ramped 10mg, 10mg, 10mg, then 20mg sunday, so Monday was day 1, at 20mg.
Ran that for a week, and went to 30mg, and now week 3 at 40mg.

I can't decide whether to stay at 40mg for week 4-6 or go up 50mg. I don't wanna get greedy.
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Good run...you've made some very good gains at 20 and 30 mg. 50 may be overkill. But, let us know how it goes, if you do.
 
thewilman said:
Agreed...in my case it is. I like the strength aspect, but looking good is a BIG part of it. This is a vane world. People spend tens of thousands of $$$ to get plastic surgery...that, imho, is a sin.




A lot of guys do though, no? They become much more aggressive especially if thye were picked on as kids.
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Geez, I need to slow down, I iz stard teo sund lick smet.......

Well pinning does increase strength gain ;)

Me, I am doing it for looks, and strength is a big part of it. However, it is more of a self accomplishment and feeling good about myself, so do you consider that vain? I mean I don't go around with the attitude, look at me. In the gym, I wear t-shirts, but most of the time they are long sleeve, and now that is cooling down, I will go back to sporting hoodies in the gym.
 
thewilman said:
Good run...you've made some very good gains at 20 and 30 mg. 50 may be overkill. But, let us know how it goes, if you do.
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If you are making solid gains at 40, there is no reason to do 50. I doubt the gains will be that much greater, but the sides will be. I know met was doing 50, and his libido was non apparent and the lethargy was brutal for him.
 
thewilman said:
Good run...you've made some very good gains at 20 and 30 mg. 50 may be overkill. But, let us know how it goes, if you do.
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I'll give it a run for a week, and if I start feeling like teh p00pi3z I'll back it down a little. One thing I noticed during the first week, is some lethargy after dosing. 2nd week was less noticeable.

And most days I feel like I could screw a cinder block if you get my drift.
 
smeton_yea said:
I got up to 230 lbs (naturally before I ever used mohn or superdrol),this is when I was squatting 405 and had thirty inchquads, now there 25 inches because I dont want them big because my valves are out of proportion with them and im bring up my calves to match by setting up a timer and downer protein shakes in the middle of the night. I got this from Josh Dickenson and Australian friend who is a natural bodybuilder and writer for bodybuilding.com. IT works! I just dotn like interupting my sleep.so if your really after more size set a time in the middle of the night. Jay Cutler does this
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my thighs are at 25 right now also. Calves don't seem like something that are easy to change unless you're willing to go the unnatural route again. They'll just grow in proportion to everything else. I bet if you concentrate on your thighs again, your calves will follow.

And the thing about interrupting sleep to eat is kind of extreme also. I only drink a shake because I'm up anyway to go pee.

This is just my current view on things. Everyone will probably tell you to do something different, but, in the end, you have to learn to decide for yourself what will be efficient.
 
xjsynx said:
If you are making solid gains at 40, there is no reason to do 50. I doubt the gains will be that much greater, but the sides will be. I know met was doing 50, and his libido was non apparent and the lethargy was brutal for him.
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Thats kind of my line of thinking...I'm teetering...and I don't want to screw this up. I've done great so far...

Maybe I'll do some digging around AM for logs and such. Last thing I need is to start falling asleep at the gym or on my girl.
 
xjsynx said:
Geez, I need to slow down, I iz stard teo sund lick smet.......

Well pinning does increase strength gain ;)

Me, I am doing it for looks, and strength is a big part of it. However, it is more of a self accomplishment and feeling good about myself, so do you consider that vain? I mean I don't go around with the attitude, look at me. In the gym, I wear t-shirts, but most of the time they are long sleeve, and now that is cooling down, I will go back to sporting hoodies in the gym.
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I'm the same way...I was fat, unhealthy, smoked, etc...now I love to workout and I look better than I ever have my entire life. I would never want to go back to that lifestyle...especially at my age. But, I wear sleeveless shirts :D

I like it when I tell someone I'm 37 and they're like "really, I would have never guessed that?" But, I am humble (he said proudly) :lol:
 
xjsynx said:
Geez, I need to slow down, I iz stard teo sund lick smet.......

Well pinning does increase strength gain ;)

Me, I am doing it for looks, and strength is a big part of it. However, it is more of a self accomplishment and feeling good about myself, so do you consider that vain? I mean I don't go around with the attitude, look at me. In the gym, I wear t-shirts, but most of the time they are long sleeve, and now that is cooling down, I will go back to sporting hoodies in the gym.
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I'd rather be covered also. Helps me concentrate on what I'm doing, not what I look like, and doesn't draw attention to me (I just want to complete my workout in peace most of the time). I usually only do the sleeveless when I'm sweating up a storm.

I got a taste of what the gym is going to be like with the heat turned on today, and it's pretty intense. Won't be able to do hoodies, but I think I'll manage with regular t-shirts.
 
thewilman said:
I'm the same way...I was fat, unhealthy, smoked, etc...now I love to workout and I look better than I ever have my entire life. I would never want to go back to that lifestyle...especially at my age. But, I wear sleeveless shirts :D

I like when I tell someone I'm 37 and they're like "really, I would have never guessed that?" But, I am humble (he said proudly) :lol:
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:bb:
 
bitterplacebo said:
I'd rather be covered also. Helps me concentrate on what I'm doing, not what I look like, and doesn't draw attention to me (I just want to complete my workout in peace most of the time). I usually only do the sleeveless when I'm sweating up a storm.

I got a taste of what the gym is going to be like with the heat turned on today, and it's pretty intense. Won't be able to do hoodies, but I think I'll manage with regular t-shirts.
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w3rd!

I hope they don't turn the heat on that much. If so then I will be rocking a long sleeve or just a T.
 
You'd need 2 minimally if you were doing 1 cycle, as 1 would only give you 50mg/day @ 30 days. You need to run at least 75, and possibly even 100. So you could use 2 bottles for a single cycle even. So at least 2, either 3 or 4 if you want enough for 2 cycles or 60 days.
 
EasyEJL said:
You'd need 2 minimally if you were doing 1 cycle, as 1 would only give you 50mg/day @ 30 days. You need to run at least 75, and possibly even 100. So you could use 2 bottles for a single cycle even. So at least 2, either 3 or 4 if you want enough for 2 cycles or 60 days.
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w3rd!
 
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