You can have all the extra fats and proteins you want, but eating clean enough to remain in ketosis (a state of starvation) becomes harder and harder (theoretically? NO) this is a real world FACT. The higher your caloric intake, the more chances for you to never reach ketosis. Therefore, you got proved wrong again even after you did some "studying"...
What's your point? You're not bringing any new information to the table. Nobody said it was easy. In fact, I stated precisely the opposite: that I was actually forced to deviate from my intended "keto bulk" diet by introducing carbs to compensate for my super-high maintenance.
Nevertheless, it's not impossible and certainly not if you have a normal metabolism (unlike me). I can get up to 2,500 kcal/day without a shred of carbs, maybe even more. I only added carbs in order to surpass 3,000 and head towards 4 grand.
On the T-nation forums, there are guys following the anabolic diet strictly who are taking in 5,000 calories a day. From what I understand, they're cooking a ton of meat and pouring olive oil on everything. I'm not at that level yet, but I'm working on it. From what I've seen, the majority of the people there are using it to
put on weight. No reason why that can't be done, as I've already covered.
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you got gas from veggies so you dropped them. that sounds terrible:toofunny: try some digestive enzymes or acidopholis?
were you eating your fruit with your protein. this will give many people digestion problems due to the process of putrefaction.
Thanks for calling me carb additcted when you know nothing about me or my diet beyond my postings encouraging you to look at more than one solution.
I do believe in carb addition, however I believe it isn't an addiction to the carbs but the insulin spike caused by the simple carbs or saturated fats. I eat hardly anything processed and live off of raw organic produce and occasionaly whole grains (not the processed whole wheat in the supermarket). Anytime i have something with just carbs i also have some fish oil or a handfull or two of almonds or walnuts to slow the digestion and eliminate the insulin spike. I do cut the fats out of my pre and post workout measl but take insulin shuttling supps prior to those (IE: GKXR, AP, or PSLIN).
How often do you have bloodwork done to evaluate what your eating effects your body? I do monthly...and can tell you (for me, and were all different) running 400g of protein a day on a low carb diet keeps my liver enzymes eleveated due to the excess protein the body can't digest.
So i'm this poor addicted carb addict because i have to be for my health...and because i'm selling myself on the corner to get another hit of broccoli and walnuts:toofunny: and even with some digestive enzymes and accidopholis i still get the occasional gas to deal with...thats just damn terrible to deal with the results of being 5'10' 250lbs with vissible abs:toofunny:
And if you think that you getting same same micronutrient densisty to maximize your results from a meats and fats diet versus a diverse diet of whole foods you are just kidding yourself.
I do take high quality digestive enzymes and probiotics. They seem to help a bit, but haven't exactly worked miracles. I have heard the advice about not combining fruit with proteins and I'm pretty sure I gave that a shot. There is some merit to that, but it's an impractical solution for me because I'd
like to be getting proteins and anabolic fats at every meal. Honestly, I'm not crazy about fruit. Eating it was a pain in the ass. Half the time, it had poor flavor just due to luck of the draw. I can't get excited about eating apples anymore. Fruit has never built an athletic physique of any calibur. Fiber cuts your throat when you eat it and then proceeds to cut your insides. Starches make people **** because the body cannot absorb them. This is not a good thing. I rarely **** after eating 8 eggs with butter at breakfast because my body is absorbing up to 90% of those foods (according to the low carb site). This IS a good thing. Put two and two together and you come to the conclusion that carbs are essentially a waste product for humans, even PRIOR to consumption.
Ideally, complex carbs should be cooked well prior to consumption, and meats should be lightly cooked or even consumed raw. This is the optimal state of the human diet, putting aside the feasibility of such.
I do not recall calling you a carb addict...did I really do that? Seems strange, seeing as I have no idea what your personal diet is like. I purchased p-slin from someone on this forum (haven't received it yet). I was intending to take it pre or post workout with my huge shake that consists of whole milk, whey, and olive oil. Obviously, it's not a straight carb meal as recommended, but I imagine it's highly insulinogenic (I use about 5 cups whole milk). Have you got any opinion on that?
I've had bloodwork done about 3 times this year, but they weren't all the same tests. I'm with you on high protein consumption - I don't believe that anybody requires more than 1.5 g/lb. The high intakes used by some bodybuilders is ridiculous and it doesn't surprise me at all to learn that this would show up as elevated liver/kidney markers on blood panels.
If you are 250 at 5'10 and in good shape then I'd have to say congrats, you are probably bigger than anyone I've seen in person, and there are plenty of big guys at my gym. How long did it take you to get to that size and were you above average when you started?