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When keepin' it real goes wrong.

Please do not compare our troops in whole as a comparison to a guy getting a beat down for just using bad language.
 
:clap2: Last time I checked you can't retaliate a verbal assault with a physical assault either. Am I correct Jayhawkk? Thats was I was told from a buddy of mine that is a policeman around here. Words for words will still get you a disturbing the peace charge or there abouts, but knocking someone out because they said something to you leans towards assault and battery.

Jayhawkk said:
Please do not compare our troops in whole as a comparison to a guy getting a beat down for just using bad language.
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ReaperX said:
Jayhawkk-





1. I don't feel like being arrested or going to jail, I have had neither occur and I intend to keep it that way.

2. I don't feel like being physically hurt over trying to be a hero over someone who was being a jerk in the first place.

3. This ties in with #1, I intend to keep moving up in my career and I don't need anything 'bloting' my record when they do a background check.

4. I have not been in the hospital due to stupid decision making, this I also intend to keep that way.



A lot of people make irrational decisions based purely on emotion. So why would I subject myself to a problem that has nothing to do with me, especially when I am already intoxicated ? I'm looking out for my own well-being and for my future, not some kid taking a lashing. At any rate the police handled the situation, that's their job and I let them do it. It is absolutely not my responsibility to intervene in such a situation.


I'm not insulting people to get off for the sake of it. I am calling people out because this argument is completely lop-sided. Everyone is all 'yeah get in there cowboy'. Well, I was at the place and I chose not to. I know why people felt the need to be a hero and why I SHOULD have also tried to get in there gun-ho when I didn't. I am simply not willing to compromise myself for something as asanine as a little fight.


This isn't an old lady being mugged, or a child being beaten, so don't confuse this situation with legitimate concerns.
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Dopey I think what a lot of people here have been trying to tell you is that if you and or a few other people stepped in before hand,this whole thing could have been avoided without all the violence. Props to Jayhawk and Pistonpump yo.:thumbsup:
 
ReaperX said:
I agree it is a personal issue. At the same time you are a police officer, so your viewpoint towards this issues differs from someone who is not (like myself).
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I'm no cop but doing the right thing for others not just yourself is how I try to live. I'm not perfect but my degree(figured I'd let you know since this is so important to you,even though reality is that having the opportunity and time is deciding factor usually)is used in jobs to help people, not to just make all the money and try to imprees some girl with my car. I got more girls with nothing("they suked me fuked me and gave me money too"-2live crew)than you could get with a ferrari.
 
Yeah, assaulting someone for verbal insults will land you in jail. Especially if the guy was drunk and you are a lot bigger than they are. perception of danger is a huge factor.
 
That's why being big has its disadvantages, cause sometimes you aren't doing anything wrong but assumptions are made. Maybe it's because I'm Italian.I don't know what it is but cops always eyed me up but the funny thing is that when I went to the hood everybody thought I was a cop.
 
Truth be told I was never a big fan of cops(probably cause they caught me to many times lol)but when I got a job where we called them for assistance at times my outlook changed. They impressed me by what a good job they did just through communication. You look like and seem like(from your posts) a really cool guy jayhawk. I did know a guy years ago who was a corrections officer and then a cop but he was like the bad Lieutenant. He worked security at a motel in a beach town during the summer and he stole guests beer and money,etc and i got to drink some of that beer by the way. This guy years before worked at a morgue and when a girl he got pregnant and had an abortion he put a fetus in her mailbox. I don't think he's a cop anymore by the way. He was crazy and I in no way do I wanna portray cops as being anything like him I just thought of this crazy sh1t.One more thing, the crazy part of it all is outta everybody he was the only one who didn't party.He was crazy enough I guess. Peace.
 
so reaper can't name threads, xjsnx is a racist. nice...

but back to the thread: i don't have a problem letting an idiot get a bad bashing. if a person is a moron, its not up to someone else to save his ass.
 
. if a person is a moron, its not up to someone else to save his ass.
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IMHO, being a moron isn't justification to allow someone to be seriously traumatized. Hard to Monday morning quarterback a situation from a 3rd party source but from what we've got to work from , i think standing by and watching it happen is wrong.
 
I am not sorry for what I did and if the same situation were to occur again I would not intervene. None of you were in the situation and if you happen to be later on in the future, knock yourself out and do whatever you want.

The person who got beaten the hell out of had to learn the lesson the hard way and there is nothing wrong with it. I lack compassion for self-inflicted problems. No I don't feel sorry for him either so no flowers from me.
 
I already stated this and I will state it again: Its not my problem, and I did not create the problem. People need to take accountability for their actions. I figured we were all grow ups by now but apparently not.
 
ReaperX said:
I already stated this and I will state it again: Its not my problem, and I did not create the problem. People need to take accountability for their actions. I figured we were all grow ups by now but apparently not.
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Your a selfish douche and a puzzy.:FUfinger:
 
Jayhawkk said:
Reaper, you're really starting to get on my nerves.
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Jay-


We're 2 different people and that's fine. I already got your point. No offense either, but I am sure there are also other members here who agree with me but are not saying anything, which is fine.
 
Stop with the damn insults then. I kept my opinion polite and without degrading those that have different perspectives but you keep up with the passive aggressive ****.


Everyone stop with the damn personal attacks...that goes to Reaper and those directed at Reaper.
 
I remember someone used to have the quote on here, "Everyman has the right to have his opinion spoken, and everyman has the right to knock him down for it."
 
Jayhawkk said:
IMHO, being a moron isn't justification to allow someone to be seriously traumatized. Hard to Monday morning quarterback a situation from a 3rd party source but from what we've got to work from , i think standing by and watching it happen is wrong.
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i can definitely see your logic... its very kind and humane. I need to practice and improve on that part of my personality. i just have such a difficult time being empathetic towards idiots. i have no tolerance for stupid people. i need a smiley, happy, mother teresa pill.
 
lol, i've seen too much of the stand and watch mentality and I need to see more of those willing to stand up and do something to keep my belief in human kind. I know it sounds cheesy but it's how I feel at the moment.
 
as i get older, i get more and more disappointed in the "human kind". all the people that were suppose to be wise turned out to be overgrown 12 year olds. The people you looked up to the most turn out to be the biggest let downs. Perhaps i have always had too high of hopes and expectations of people.


where's my darn teresa pill:smite:
 
Mrs. Gimpy! said:
as i get older, i get more and more disappointed in the "human kind". all the people that were suppose to be wise turned out to be overgrown 12 year olds. The people you looked up to the most turn out to be the biggest let downs. Perhaps i have always had too high of hopes and expectations of people.


where's my darn teresa pill:smite:
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On Mother Teresa Pill comin up!

*Shakes a shaker with ice and a yummy concoction of alcohol, pain killers, sugar, and phenibut*
 
I think we all start to feel that way, Gimpy...The older we get and the more people we interact with, the more we realize how ****ed up most people are. I'm not saint by any means but it really makes me sit back and shake my head at how indifferent we can be.
 
I've actually done church missionary work out in 3rd world countries like Haiti which I was essentially risking my life to do......you'll understand if you've been there before.

I do go out of my way to help individuals and I actually paid out of my own pocket to go out there. I don't mind people being judgemental because the shmuck got sucker punched. There is a time and a place for everything and that fight that occured was not one of them, IMO.
 
ReaperX said:
I've actually done church missionary work out in 3rd world countries like Haiti which I was essentially risking my life to do......you'll understand if you've been there before.

I do go out of my way to help individuals and I actually paid out of my own pocket to go out there. I don't mind people being judgemental because the shmuck got sucker punched. There is a time and a place for everything and that fight that occured was not one of them, IMO.
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if you don't mind me asking... what's youre religion?
 
ReaperX said:
I've actually done church missionary work out in 3rd world countries like Haiti which I was essentially risking my life to do......you'll understand if you've been there before.

I do go out of my way to help individuals and I actually paid out of my own pocket to go out there. I don't mind people being judgemental because the shmuck got sucker punched. There is a time and a place for everything and that fight that occured was not one of them, IMO.
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Well someone asked for hope and Reaper delivered,just hope it's not another let down in the works.Just when I thought Reaper was forever on everybodys' sh1t list he redeemed himself somewhat. good job Reaper.peace.Oh, "keep hope alive".:thumbsup:
 
Jayhawkk said:
lol, i've seen too much of the stand and watch mentality and I need to see more of those willing to stand up and do something to keep my belief in human kind. I know it sounds cheesy but it's how I feel at the moment.
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I agree with that statement. Several years back I stepped in when I thought I needed to, knowing full well what the potential outcome would be.

I ended up with 9 stab wounds and a dozen staples in my head from a gun butt. I kept fighting until they ran away.

I would do it again without thinking twice.


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Xodus said:
I agree with that statement. Several years back I stepped in when I thought I needed to, knowing full well what the potential outcome would be.

I ended up with 9 stab wounds and a dozen staples in my head from a gun butt. I kept fighting until they ran away.

I would do it again without thinking twice.


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The big thing about people stepping in to stop crap is that once one guy gets tough enough to do it, there's 50 more waiting to jump in to.

I don't think I could have kept fighting after that, that's M-A-Zing
 
RisingAgainst said:
The big thing about people stepping in to stop crap is that once one guy gets tough enough to do it, there's 50 more waiting to jump in to.

I don't think I could have kept fighting after that, that's M-A-Zing
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It was just me, no backup. There were ~14 there, only about 6-7 that 'jumped in', but I was prepared for all of them (just wasn't prepared for the gun :rofl: )

I've been on the other side of that too, been called out by drunks at a bar to fight, a few guys waiting, then my crew came out and cleaned house, I didn't even have to clench a fist.


I am not condoning fights, especially when cops get involved, but sometimes it takes a few bumps and bruises for someone to learn there are consequences in this world, as 'neanderthalic' as it may seem. I would much rather resolve the issue peaceably, but when you are a bigger guy, people (esp. drunks) grow a pair and f*ck with you no matter what you do to avoid it.


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Jayhawkk said:
lol, i've seen too much of the stand and watch mentality and I need to see more of those willing to stand up and do something to keep my belief in human kind. I know it sounds cheesy but it's how I feel at the moment.
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thats wats up! I just watched this movie "god grew tired of us" it was a good movie which made me think of alot of things. In other cultures everyone takes care of each other, in our society people fend for themselves and let the crying ladie on the corner, cry. What happend to humanity and helping each other out, asking what the problem is instead of saying well its not me. We need to do more looking out for each other.

Lets all hold hands and sing kumbyeyah!
 
ReaperX said:
I've actually done church missionary work out in 3rd world countries like Haiti which I was essentially risking my life to do......you'll understand if you've been there before.

I do go out of my way to help individuals and I actually paid out of my own pocket to go out there. I don't mind people being judgemental because the shmuck got sucker punched. There is a time and a place for everything and that fight that occured was not one of them, IMO.
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if you are mormon i have to take a little away from the missionary work as a noble deed. It is a good deed indeed but ive learned about mormon beliefs and lets say kindly "i have my opinions" seems as though they do this as an obligation, a prerequiste. Different from doing it out of pure compassion and goodness. I dont want to start a religous arguement so if anyone is offended i apologize. I just have problems with religons that dont believe that even if you arent a "member of that church" you dont go to heaven or you are damned until you follow their belief. Again sorry if this is out of line i just would like to state my opinion.
 
pistonpump said:
if you are mormon i have to take a little away from the missionary work as a noble deed. It is a good deed indeed but ive learned about mormon beliefs and lets say kindly "i have my opinions" seems as though they do this as an obligation, a prerequiste. Different from doing it out of pure compassion and goodness. I dont want to start a religous arguement so if anyone is offended i apologize. I just have problems with religons that dont believe that even if you arent a "member of that church" you dont go to heaven or you are damned until you follow their belief. Again sorry if this is out of line i just would like to state my opinion.
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I'm LDS bro, you didn't offend me at all. I may not act it, but I am... lol I SHOULD work on acting a bit better about it though.. and will.
 
ReaperX said:
Jayhawkk-





1. I don't feel like being arrested or going to jail, I have had neither occur and I intend to keep it that way.

2. I don't feel like being physically hurt over trying to be a hero over someone who was being a jerk in the first place.

3. This ties in with #1, I intend to keep moving up in my career and I don't need anything 'bloting' my record when they do a background check.

4. I have not been in the hospital due to stupid decision making, this I also intend to keep that way.
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What you have written here is a complete load of crap. Reaper the reason you didnt jump in and stop the fight was because you were scared sh1tless. That is the only reason. Your a small guy and he was huge, fair enough, but im sure after the drunk copped the punched you could have easily said hey man i think he's had enough and the big dude probably would have stopped at that.

next time be a man. People get drunk and say dumb things. ive been there myself. Getting punched is a lesson, getting stomped on is being assaulted.
 
No I'm not mormon, I'm Catholic. My religious views or opinions are not up for debate. when someone else has done missionary work in a 3rd world country then come and see me.
 
He deserved the punch.

As for the kick, sounds like you witnessed a reenactment of the Jena 6 incident!
 
ReaperX said:
No I'm not mormon, I'm Catholic. My religious views or opinions are not up for debate. when someone else has done missionary work in a 3rd world country then come and see me.
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Damn now here's the letdown already. I mean it sounds as if you did the missionary work to be above us all.I'm still hopin'.Where's Jesse when I need him?:wtf:
 
cardiffgiant said:
Damn now here's the letdown already. I mean it sounds as if you did the missionary work to be above us all.I'm still hopin'.Where's Jesse when I need him?:wtf:
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No I added that because a lot of people were making the notion about sticking up for people and doing the right thing. Doing missionary work is for a good cause that I fully support 100%.

I think that if you believe that you are so heroic and giving back because you want to stick up for someone who got what he deserved, you should try missionary work first. It is very rewarding to help other people.

Some drunk kid running his mouth and getting jacked is not.

I don't have any problem helping out others and I always view it as an opportunity to use my gifts, but this excludes dumb individuals creating self-inflicted mistakes.

I absolutely refuse to change my opinion/stance about the situation. Let's not forget that both people were adults, not children. There comes a point in everyone's life where they need to grow up.
 
ReaperX said:
No I added that because a lot of people were making the notion about sticking up for people and doing the right thing. Doing missionary work is for a good cause that I fully support 100%.

I think that if you believe that you are so heroic and giving back because you want to stick up for someone who got what he deserved, you should try missionary work first. It is very rewarding to help other people.

Some drunk kid running his mouth and getting jacked is not.

I don't have any problem helping out others and I always view it as an opportunity to use my gifts, but this excludes dumb individuals creating self-inflicted mistakes.

I absolutely refuse to change my opinion/stance about the situation. Let's not forget that both people were adults, not children. There comes a point in everyone's life where they need to grow up.
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Reaper say this was your best mate who was mouthing off and got beat up ...........would you have stepped in and helped him out?
 
Xodus said:
I agree with that statement. Several years back I stepped in when I thought I needed to, knowing full well what the potential outcome would be.

I ended up with 9 stab wounds and a dozen staples in my head from a gun butt. I kept fighting until they ran away.

I would do it again without thinking twice.


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AHhhhhh. the good ol days.

Glad I am not 'keeping it real' anymore....
 
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