+10 lbs with SDNG?

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I know this is a very hard to answer question, due to particulate variables, and everyone being different, etc; but if someone is eating properly and has training down, will 2 boxes of SDNG + Mass FX possibly deliver a 10 lb gain in lean body mass?

It'd be interesting to hear what someone has to say.

Also, just based on some logs (which I may have not seen), what seems to be the overall opinion of the product? Great, good, okay, bad, really bad?

Thanks,

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Well in all honesty, someone who is READY to use anabolics shouldnt gain more than 10lbs no matter what he uses because he should be at his natural plateau and its a LOT harder to gain past that... Just something to consider.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Well in all honesty, someone who is READY to use anabolics shouldnt gain more than 10lbs no matter what he uses because he should be at his natural plateau and its a LOT harder to gain past that... Just something to consider.
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I disagree with this. Many people are at their perceived genetic plateau but are not really there. They may be stuck due to stale training methods, using less-than-90% intensity (as a % of a 1RM), and excessive volume.

It's very hard to define a natural plateau.
 
dhuge67 said:
I disagree with this. Many people are at their perceived genetic plateau but are not really there. They may be stuck due to stale training methods, using less-than-90% intensity (as a % of a 1RM), and excessive volume.

It's very hard to define a natural plateau.
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yes it is.. if you gain 20 pounds on SD, then you ARENT there... trust me dude, disagree all you want.. I am being real with you here.. you'll know when you hit your genetic plateau, cuz it's hard to maintain at that point let alone gain.
 
you might be able to reach 10 pounds in 2 months with those supps.............but you have to have your training DEAD-on, your diet needs to be HUGE (good foods, though, unless you want fat, too)

I am coming off a long break from the weights, and i am hoping to get 10+ pounds out of supps, but that is with newb gains, too!
 
RisingAgainst said:
yes it is.. if you gain 20 pounds on superdrol, then you ARENT there... trust me dude, disagree all you want.. I am being real with you here.. you'll know when you hit your genetic plateau, cuz it's hard to maintain at that point let alone gain.
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This also takes away from the original question. But if we stay on topic, I'm basically wondering if SDNG could add 10 lbs to someone who is NOT at their genetic plateau, and is more around 75-80% of the way there.
 
dhuge67 said:
This also takes away from the original question. But if we stay on topic, I'm basically wondering if SDNG could add 10 lbs to someone who is NOT at their genetic plateau, and is more around 75-80% of the way there.
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I can see 10 pounds on it.. 5caps/day for 42 days would be good.
 
macedaddy said:
you might be able to reach 10 pounds in 2 months with those supps.............but you have to have your training DEAD-on, your diet needs to be HUGE (good foods, though, unless you want fat, too)

I am coming off a long break from the weights, and i am hoping to get 10+ pounds out of supps, but that is with newb gains, too!
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Well, that sounds good. Are you basing that on other logs and people's results? Basically, I'd be delighted with 6-10 lbs of LBM, with something not very risky like SDNG.
 
dhuge67 said:
Well, that sounds good. Are you basing that on other logs and people's results? Basically, I'd be delighted with 6-10 lbs of LBM, with something not very risky like SDNG.
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SDNG is a good product. if you ran this for 2 bottles 6-10lbs of LBM could happen, just make sure your diet and training is up there. i'm in week 3 running it solo and i'm up 3lbs which is good for me cause i'm already past my genetic potential. The biggest increases i noticed on SDNG were the strength increases.
 
sdmf45 said:
SDNG is a good product. if you ran this for 2 bottles 6-10lbs of LBM could happen, just make sure your diet and training is up there. i'm in week 3 running it solo and i'm up 3lbs which is good for me cause i'm already past my genetic potential. The biggest increases i noticed on SDNG were the strength increases.
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That's awesome. What kind of strength increases happened with you, specifically?
 
dhuge67 said:
Well, that sounds good. Are you basing that on other logs and people's results? Basically, I'd be delighted with 6-10 lbs of LBM, with something not very risky like SDNG.
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I think 6-10 is possible in 60 days, particularly with MassFX. At 6 thats only a pound every 10 days, 3 lbs a month. I think thats possible with a number of different supps, for someone who isn't already maxxed out
 
Is it true that this product is not that efficacious for someone in their 20s? I'll be 22 on October 17 (around the time I plan to run SDNG).
 
dhuge67 said:
That's awesome. What kind of strength increases happened with you, specifically?
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well i hit a PR on back.

lat pulldowns 280x8 the best i ever got before this was 260x8.

BB bench is still 315x10 and recovery time is faster.

As for the question about SDNG in your 20's did you mean early 20's? i'm 26 and have done some cycles and its still working for me, which is nice.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Well in all honesty, someone who is READY to use anabolics shouldnt gain more than 10lbs no matter what he uses because he should be at his natural plateau and its a LOT harder to gain past that... Just something to consider.
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lol... are you kiding me? You think Ronnie Coleman's Natural Plateu is 10lbs less than what he weighs now.
 
easymac said:
lol... are you kiding me? You think Ronnie Coleman's Natural Plateu is 10lbs less than what he weighs now.
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IS THAT WHAT I SAID?? dude.. I'm not even gonna bother responding to you.. ... EDIT: research GENETIC POTENTIAL... and Ronnie uses more gear than you could afford annually. wise guy.
 
I don't know about everyone else, but I hate the word "gear" as it relates to steroids. Gear is (to me and powerlifters) the equipment that PLers wear at meets and in training on "shirt" or "gear days." haha
 
dhuge67 said:
I don't know about everyone else, but I hate the word "gear" as it relates to steroids. Gear is (to me and powerlifters) the equipment that PLers wear at meets and in training on "shirt" or "gear days." haha
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Bah no need to worry about it dude, its accepted as a slang term to late to fix that.. and I'm a powerlifter myself.. don't matter to me.. I know what people mean

And I never said gains STOPPED when you hit your genetic potential, I said they slowed down SEVERELY.. I wish SOME people had common sense... sigh..
 
RisingAgainst said:
IS THAT WHAT I SAID?? dude.. I'm not even gonna bother responding to you.. ... EDIT: research GENETIC POTENTIAL... and Ronnie uses more gear than you could afford annually. wise guy.
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I knew you were say something gay like that, i know he is on grams and grams of gear along with hgh and igf-1. I know that but do you honestly think he gained only 10 lbs on his first cycle and are you implying that you have reached your natural plateu. And i see you edited out the "if you knew how much gear he used you'd crawl back into whatever you came outta! " comment. And please...How do you know how much i make annually?
 
dhuge67 said:
Is it true that this product is not that efficacious for someone in their 20s? I'll be 22 on October 17 (around the time I plan to run SDNG).
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It was largely my hypothesis that its more valuable for older users. Its kind of true for any hormone booster in general - the older you are the less your body produces, so the more beneficial a boost is. With dhea in a relatively high dose as from 4 sdng (680mg) there are almost no studies that have been done with younger people, except possibly people with HIV or other horrifying diseases. Since DHEA is one of the earliest hormones in the chain, boosting it helps boost all the hormones that come below it as it gets converted to everything else in the body.




Actually ergopharm + AX are taking volunteers for an 8 week study right now.
 
thesinner said:
adding 10lbs of mass directly correlates to how much food you eat.
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Ohhh, that's a new one on me! Jesus, I'm talking about lean body mass. A supplement like SNDG is supposed to increase your natural ability to synthesize protein (create a more anabolic environment than your body would naturally have otherwise).
 
dhuge67 said:
Ohhh, that's a new one on me! Jesus, I'm talking about lean body mass. A supplement like SNDG is supposed to increase your natural ability to synthesize protein (create a more anabolic environment than your body would naturally have otherwise).
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I will explain this to you with algebra. I know it sucks, but it's honestly the best way I can explain it.

We will pretend your bodymass function B(x) is linear and dumb it down a little bit.

B(x) = x + C ; where x= calories taken in (in excess of what's burned) and C is your current mass.

Now we add supplements/steroids/whatever. We will denote their anabolic effect as A. Here's the new equation:

B(x) = Ax + C

A enhances x, and x is dependent on how many calories you eat.

Therefore, by the transitive property.
thesinner said:
adding 10lbs of mass directly correlates to how much food you eat.
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thesinner said:
I will explain this to you with algebra. I know it sucks, but it's honestly the best way I can explain it.

We will pretend your bodymass function B(x) is linear and dumb it down a little bit.

B(x) = x + C ; where x= calories taken in (in excess of what's burned) and C is your current mass.

Now we add supplements/steroids/whatever. We will denote their anabolic effect as A. Here's the new equation:

B(x) = Ax + C

A enhances x, and x is dependent on how many calories you eat.

Therefore, by the transitive property.
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Good post

But wait.... by this formula, if you Increased A and increased x high enough you could effectively raise B(x) above 10!!
That wold mean RisingAgainst was wrong.... That just cannot be possible. :lol:
 
EasyEJL said:
part of the question is "how much is muscle + how much is fat too" and there are limits
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you are correct.

However, the curve of such a function is too complex for a simple algebraic equation. We'd have to delve into some calculus too complex for my understanding.
 
thesinner said:
you are correct.

However, the curve of such a function is too complex for a simple algebraic equation. We'd have to delve into some calculus too complex for my understanding.
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In reality, there is no one equation that works for everyone, either.

Usually you see the calorie levels set on a very primitive basis; body weight x 10-12 to cut, x 13-14 to maintain, and x 15-16 to gain.
 
easymac said:
I knew you were say something gay like that, i know he is on grams and grams of gear along with hgh and igf-1. I know that but do you honestly think he gained only 10 lbs on his first cycle and are you implying that you have reached your natural plateu. And i see you edited out the "if you knew how much gear he used you'd crawl back into whatever you came outta! " comment. And please...How do you know how much i make annually?
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I think that a "normal" easy cycle with one single anabolic androgenic steroid will only have limited effects on somebody who has reached his genetic (natural) maximum. and I doubt that even ronnie coleman would have gained much more than 10 lbs on his very first cycle (let's say: test only) after reaching his genetic maximum.
Guys like RC are taking much more than just anabolic androgenic steroids. Don't forget IGF-1, insulin, and PGF. These things can really turn you into a freak. look at the old-school bodybuilders like Arnold Schwarzeneggeer: I doubt that they had anything else beside testosterone (and test-derivates). they were huge, but they looked like human beings. nowadays, pro-bodybuilders just look like freaks / monsters. look at their guts!
 
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