thewilman
Well-known member
What are doing here during daylight hours?
Thanks for your socio-political commentary!
When the boss is away.......(CONTEST)
- Thread starter Vitruvian
- Start date
- Status
What are doing here during daylight hours?
Thanks for your socio-political commentary!
EasyEJL
Never enough
name, physical address, forum PMs.
bitterplacebo
Well-known member
being able to work from home is nice
but it still sucks if there's something repetitive I have to get done that day
but it still sucks if there's something repetitive I have to get done that day
xjsynx
Member
Think of all the 3rd workd coutries with legal gear....
xjsynx
Member
Yeah, or a bunch of sh1t on the DVR I need to catch up on....
EasyEJL
Never enough
for sure! I sometimes like to just throw on older movies that I know really well and listen to them play rather than watch them. Grosse Pointe Blank is a good example
xjsynx
Member
Look him up and see if you can get a number.
But I would also contact another rep via PM and let them know the situation. Preferably the main rep or cat.
So, if TheMyth does contact you back, I would PM RMS :hammer:
xjsynx
Member
I am not sure, but I would like to add that work sucks :nutkick:
thewilman
Well-known member
Yeah, but think of all the third world countries where work sucks even more!
There are benegits to working in the US...I am an undocumented worker :ntome:
xjsynx
Member
Sure thing Ms Carolina :icon_lol:
EasyEJL
Never enough
I don't think i'd have much issue with it if it was an AN rep
Actually, I don't think i'll have much problem really. Looking back tho, he only actually received my box on the 12th, so if he didn't ship till after that, its not too unreasonable yet.
xjsynx
Member
Yeah, but think of all the third world countries where work sucks even more!
There are benegits to working in the US...I am an undocumented worker :ntome:
Wil's ride to Los Estados Unidos...
Invalid Link Removed
xjsynx
Member
I don't think i'd have much issue with it if it was an AN rep
Well I hope JJohn sacks up for your sake....
bitterplacebo
Well-known member
I don't think i'd have much issue with it if it was an AN rep
I wouldn't wait more than a couple more days, though, before you start checking up on it. It's a reasonable enough request to ask some people to help you confirm that this person sent or is in the process of sending your stuff.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I'm more wondering if he's ok, I can't find any posts newer than the 9th from him anywhere.
bitterplacebo
Well-known member
Then maybe the sooner it's looked into, the better.
xjsynx
Member
not him either
Ah man say it ain't so.... John127283467827019823 from Canada.
I thought he was good peeps :gas:
EasyEJL
Never enough
EasyEJL
Never enough
nope and nope. maybe you should start trying to figure out what I was trading for? might be easier
xjsynx
Member
nope and nope. maybe you should start trying to figure out what I was trading for? might be easier
That wasn't a guess :think:
EasyEJL
Never enough
xjsynx
Member
:icon_lol:
bitterplacebo
Well-known member
these are always good to watch again
I wish had his job
I wish had his job
thewilman
Well-known member
:thumbsup:
thewilman
Well-known member
I'm taking 300mg of regular DHEA not 7-Keto and it has helped tremendously w/ lethargy and loss of libido from 1-AD.
Are you thinking cortisol reduction?
xjsynx
Member
So what do you cats think of this for breakfast:
Invalid Link Removed
Ingredients:Whole Grain Rolled Oats, Whole Grain Rolled Wheat, Rolled Barley, Whole Grain Rolled Rye, Sugar
Sweetened Dried Apples (Apples, Apple Juice Concentrate), Whole Flaxseed, Oat Flour, Natural Flavors, Cinnamon Salt Molasses.
Nutrition facts:
Serving Size 1 Packet (42g)
Calories 150
Calories from Fat 15
Total Fat 1.5g
Saturated Fat 0g
Trans Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 0.5g
Monounsturate Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 90mg
Potassium 110mg
Total Carbohydrate 32g
Dietary Fiber 4g
Soluble Fiber 1g
Sugars 12g
Protein 4g
I am not a fan of the sugar, but I dig the grains. Thoughts?
Invalid Link Removed
Ingredients:Whole Grain Rolled Oats, Whole Grain Rolled Wheat, Rolled Barley, Whole Grain Rolled Rye, Sugar
Sweetened Dried Apples (Apples, Apple Juice Concentrate), Whole Flaxseed, Oat Flour, Natural Flavors, Cinnamon Salt Molasses.
Nutrition facts:
Serving Size 1 Packet (42g)
Calories 150
Calories from Fat 15
Total Fat 1.5g
Saturated Fat 0g
Trans Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 0.5g
Monounsturate Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 90mg
Potassium 110mg
Total Carbohydrate 32g
Dietary Fiber 4g
Soluble Fiber 1g
Sugars 12g
Protein 4g
I am not a fan of the sugar, but I dig the grains. Thoughts?
thewilman
Well-known member
7-Keto-DHEA
Description:
7-Keto (3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone) is a naturally occurring metabolite of DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone). In the body, 7-Keto is not converted into testosterone or estrogen to any appreciable degree. 7-Keto, as a downstream metabolite of DHEA, is produced in the body during the degradation of DHEA. 7 Keto can be measured in the blood as a ketosteroid.
Claims:
Improves immune system function
Aids in weight reduction / Thermogenic
Supports thyroid function
Non-androgenic or estrogenic
Enhances memory
Theory:
Because 7-Keto is a downstream metabolite of DHEA it is promoted as being a “non-androgenic” or “estrogenic” version of DHEA. It is also promoted as a weight loss aid for its supposed thermogenic effect. Animal studies demonstrate that it can enhance thermogenesis, which may translate into weight loss. Because DHEA levels decline as we age and ketosteroids are made from DHEA, all conditions which may benefit from DHEA supplementation, may also benefit from 7-Keto.
Scientific Support:
7-Keto supplements, at a dose of 200mg/day in adults ~25 to 55 years of age has been shown in one poorly designed trial to enhance weight loss, aid in the reduction of body fat and effect thyroid hormone levels. This two-month study also demonstrated that 7-Keto does not significantly effect blood sugar, testosterone, estradiol, liver or kidney function, but the “significant” weight loss benefits were more do to an unbalanced study designthan to any real benefit of the supplement (the group receiving the supplement were significantly heavier/fatter at the start of the study compared to the control group). Another study showed that 200mg/day of 7-Keto for 8 weeks does not effect dihydrotestosterone (DHT), estradiol, cortisol and insulin levels in men 18-49 years of age. Several animal studies have demonstrated that 7-Keto, like other anabolic hormones, can induce thermogenic enzymes. One trial with 7-Keto demonstrated that it could bolster interleukin 2 production in lymphocytes, but this study was conducted in cells (in vitro) and not in humans. 7-Keto has also been shown in mice to improve memory (water maze procedure).
Safety:
7-Keto appears to be safe in doses of 200mg per day. The two human trials to date have not shown any androgenic or estrogenic effects of high dose supplementation. Many of the claims for 7-Keto are based on petri dish studies, animal research and cell line studies, thus the data and findings cannot be carried over to the human model.
Value:
The scientific evidence for using 7-Keto as either an anabolic agent or for promoting weight loss is quite weak and more research is needed to substantiate if any of the popular claims made for this supplement are indeed justified.
Dosage:
The few human trials have used a 200mg/day dose – but commercial supplements typically provide about 50mg/day.
References:
1. Bobyleva, Bellei, Kneer, and Lardy.The Effects of the Ergosteroid 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone on mitochondrial membrane potential: possible relationship to thermogenesis. Archives of Biochemistry and Biophysics, Vol. 341, No. 1, May 1, pp. 122-128, 1997
2. Colker, Torina, Swain, Kalman. Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Randomized Clinical Trial Evaluating the Effects of Exercise Plus 3-Acetyl-7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone on Body Composition and the Endocrine System in Overweight Adults. Journal of Exercise Physiology online, ISSN 1097-9751, Volume 2, Number 4, October 1999.
3. Davidson, Weeks, Lardy, Maki, Umporowicz. Clinical Safety and Endocrine Effects of 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone. Presented at Experimental Biology 98, April 19-22, 1998, San Francisco, CA.
4. Lardy, Partridge, Kneer and Wei. Ergosteroids: Induction of thermogenic enzymes in liver of rats treated with steroids derived from DHEA. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci., Vol. 92, pp. 6617-6619, July 199-995.
5. Nelson, Herron, Weeks, and Lardy. Dehydroepiandrosterone and 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone Augment Interleukin 2 (IL2) Production by Human Lymphocytes In Vitro. Presented at The 5th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections, February 1-5, 1998, Chicago, IL.
6. Shi and Lardy. 3-Acetyl-7-Oxo-Dehydroepiandrosterone Improves Memory in Mice. Presented at Experimental Biology 98, April 19-22, 1998, San Francisco, CA.
From Invalid Link Removed
xjsynx
Member
Did I mention I think Easy is Zombie's dad?
First, he only wanted to low-dose Adrenosterone for Cortisol control.
Now, he wants to mega-dose 7-Keto?
And all this coming off of a Manorexic diet :icon_lol:
Easy. Get back to basics. Diet is 90% of all gains and loses.
thewilman
Well-known member
Looks good...agreed about the sugar, but it's not too bad for a quick breakfast. Looks like most of the sugar comes from molasses. Isn't that better for you than refined sugar?
xjsynx
Member
A little more info on 7-keto
7B-OH-DHEA has actually been shown to have great anti-glucocorticoid activity, and further downstream metabolites possess even greater than that, but the alpha isomer has not shown as great of an effect.
Having said that, the only literature I've seen has suggested that these effects are mediated downstream of the receptor and have focused on immunomodulatory effects. If it were a direct GR-antagonistic effect, we could speculate it might help with muscle growth and so forth, but that's not what the most recent literature has been indicating and beyond that, as I said, the research has focused on immune function.
Going back to the alpha isomer, if anything, it serves as a good substrate for formation of 7-oxo or 7-keto-DHEA, but the reality is that 7B-OH-DHEA (which 7-keto-DHEA is converted to and vice versa) and a trihydroxylated metabolite have the greatest activity when it comes to desired biological effects, especially with respect to increasing energy expenditure.
In fact, it's that most desirable metabolite which is the main active metabolite seen with A7-E.
In short, if someone is selling the alpha isomer of 7-hydroxy-DHEA, that is in my opinion, somewhat akin to having someone taking 4-androstenediol in order to increase estriol and estrone formation. In other words, you're relying upon so many different steps to get to the desired product that it's really just grossly inefficient. In my example, the 4-AD would need to be converted to testosterone which would need to be converted to estradiol which would then finally be converted to estriol and estrone upon recirculation to the liver. Well, wouldn't it make more sense to simply take the estradiol or better yet, make a pro-drug for the estriol and estrone for the greatest yield?
7B-OH-DHEA has actually been shown to have great anti-glucocorticoid activity, and further downstream metabolites possess even greater than that, but the alpha isomer has not shown as great of an effect.
Having said that, the only literature I've seen has suggested that these effects are mediated downstream of the receptor and have focused on immunomodulatory effects. If it were a direct GR-antagonistic effect, we could speculate it might help with muscle growth and so forth, but that's not what the most recent literature has been indicating and beyond that, as I said, the research has focused on immune function.
Going back to the alpha isomer, if anything, it serves as a good substrate for formation of 7-oxo or 7-keto-DHEA, but the reality is that 7B-OH-DHEA (which 7-keto-DHEA is converted to and vice versa) and a trihydroxylated metabolite have the greatest activity when it comes to desired biological effects, especially with respect to increasing energy expenditure.
In fact, it's that most desirable metabolite which is the main active metabolite seen with A7-E.
In short, if someone is selling the alpha isomer of 7-hydroxy-DHEA, that is in my opinion, somewhat akin to having someone taking 4-androstenediol in order to increase estriol and estrone formation. In other words, you're relying upon so many different steps to get to the desired product that it's really just grossly inefficient. In my example, the 4-AD would need to be converted to testosterone which would need to be converted to estradiol which would then finally be converted to estriol and estrone upon recirculation to the liver. Well, wouldn't it make more sense to simply take the estradiol or better yet, make a pro-drug for the estriol and estrone for the greatest yield?
thewilman
Well-known member
LOL...hey when you get old like Easy...and me
...every little bit helps.That CT transformation is unreal man. I have the same issue. I eat pretty clean and even when I was cutting I always looked pretty soft. Not nearly as soft as he did in his before pics...but I wanna look BANANAS!!! Do I need to put a little "R" there for registered?
xjsynx
Member
Should be. I am just trying to hammer down on my nurtirion. Sure I would love to avoid the sugar, but the timing might work. Maybe start taking YG again before breakfast????
thewilman
Well-known member
Well, I guess if you are going to take in sugar...breakfast would be the best time and a little YG will make good use of that!
xjsynx
Member
Only two times I will use sugar would be Breakfast and/or post-workout.
thewilman
Well-known member
I've come to really admire a fit athletic woman! :chick:
- Status