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Can an anabolicminded bless me with advice?

MilkIs4Babies

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I am about to run some OMNEVOL for 4 weeks. Omnevol contains these three PHs:

4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Etiocholan-1, 4-Diene-3-17b-Diol

2a, 17a-Dimethyl-17B-Hydroxy-5a-Etiocholan-3-One

17a-Methyl-17B-Hydroxy-5a-Etiocholan-2-Ene

This is the PCT I was thinking about running. PLEASE tell me if I am NOT on the right track with this.....

1) Liquid Tamoxifen Citrate for a SERM - Research Chemical
2) SNS Inhibit-e - AI
3) SNS Reduce XT- Cortisol Blocker

WEEK 1 Tamoxifen 4ml / Inhibit 0 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 2 Tamoxifen 4ml / Inhibit 0 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 3 Tamoxifen 2ml / Inhibit 3 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 4 Tamoxifen 2ml / Inhibit 3 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 5 Tamoxifen 0ml / Inhibit 2 Pills / Reduce 2 Pills
WEEK 6 Tamoxifen 0ml / Inhibit 1 Pill / Reduce 1 Pills

Thanks! :clean:
 
I have been training on and off since I was 16. Hardcore for 2 years.

I went from a 158lbs -> 190 lbs in these two years. Thanks for that goes to LG MM run 3 times and omnevol run once. I got up to about 198 from OMNEVOL but I didn't do a post cycle therapy and lost allmost all the gains. Which is why I am coming to you guys for help :) I have GOT to get to a stable 200 off cycle!

I eat every 2-3 hours I take animal pak for dailly vitamins and a protien shake after every meal. I don't eat much junk at all, but I do eat a little.

5'10"
190lbs
I can see my top 4 abs so I am guessing 13% bf.
 
well bro, all i can say is i wouldnt do the omnevol. i was going to do the sustevol which is the same as the omnevol but decided it was way to hardcore. the shutdown is really bad. how old are you? did u do a blood test after ur cycle? if your set on a ph i would use torem instead of tamox, get rid of the AI and get a natural test booster. An AI will get rid of your estrogen and you dont want that. you want estrogen. please answer the rest of my questions
 
grila jujitsu, quit with the third degree. Answer his question or move along.
MilkIs4Babies said:
This is the post cycle therapy I was thinking about running. PLEASE tell me if I am NOT on the right track with this.....

1) Liquid Tamoxifen Citrate for a SERM - Research Chemical
2) SNS Inhibit-e - AI
3) SNS Reduce XT- Cortisol Blocker

WEEK 1 Tamoxifen 4ml / Inhibit 0 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 2 Tamoxifen 4ml / Inhibit 0 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 3 Tamoxifen 2ml / Inhibit 3 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 4 Tamoxifen 2ml / Inhibit 3 Pills / Reduce 3 Pills
WEEK 5 Tamoxifen 0ml / Inhibit 2 Pills / Reduce 2 Pills
WEEK 6 Tamoxifen 0ml / Inhibit 1 Pill / Reduce 1 Pills

Thanks! :clean:
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MilkIs4Babies,

for a long time a SERM was all that was used. Now many companies have come out with OTC PCT products that are primarily AI's. I have never used an AI in PCT.

Based on what you are posting (SERM/AI) I suggest you (re)search (for) a SERM/AI taper (I believe that is what some are doing).

The anti-cortisol is a good idea.
 
27, No I didn't do a blood test.

What type of doctor is the best to goto for this?

Ok so remove the AI and ad what test booster would you recommend?

Why do some people use AIs and SERMs?
 
a serm is required on heavy cycles such as this one. An AI can be used along with a mild steroid pulse such as epistane. but on any cycle and I mean ANY even pulse, its best to have to have a serm because you would rather be safe than sorry. At least I would. I dont need raisins for nuts.
 
MilkIs4Babies said:
27, No I didn't do a blood test.

What type of doctor is the best to goto for this?

Ok so remove the AI and ad what test booster would you recommend?

Why do some people use AIs and SERMs?
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For a dr, it depends on your state. Really your regular doctor should have you do annual blood tests anyhow. You can go to some walk in clinics, tell em you haven't had blood tests in a while and that you are experiencing symptoms of low testosterone (find em with google) and want to know if its a problem.

For the serm/ai its a reverse taper - the AI goes up as the SERM goes down. The idea (whether accurate or not) is that a high dose of the serm starts the production of testosterone, so until it gets moving, you don't need the AI. Once testosterone is flowing, your body will also be converting more to estrogen, so you want to raise up the AI for that first while after the natural testosterone "surge"

See b5150, helpful post :D
 
what?!

B5150 said:
grila jujitsu, quit with the third degree. Answer his question or move along.MilkIs4Babies,

for a long time a SERM was all that was used. Now many companies have come out with OTC post cycle therapy products that are primarily AI's. I have never used an AI in PCT.

Based on what you are posting (SERM/AI) I suggest you (re)search (for) a SERM/AI taper (I believe that is what some are doing).

The anti-cortisol is a good idea.
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didnt know i was giving him the 3rd. i was only trying to inform him and gather info so i may anawer his question to the best of my ability.
 
MilkIs4Babies said:
Do you guys like the SERM/AI taper or do you not like that idea? If you feel like being generous please explain?
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The concept is sound, I think the serm doses everyone uses are kind of on the high side though. My upcoming cycle, i'm not using a conventional serm or AI (not necessarily recommending you follow this lead btw). I'm going to use 2g of resveratrol a day 2 weeks pre-cycle + thru cycle, then dermacrine sustain solo for PCT. I'll be doing blood tests for testosterone + estrogens both pre-cycle and post PCT. So if after PCT I'm low, I'll have a SERM on hand. I don't think i'll need it tho. And if I do need it, i'm not starting with 40mg (4ml), i'll likely start with no more than 15mg, and taper from there.

In my opinion, some amount of PCT losses come from heavy doses of SERMs while your body is in that swing state of coming off an androgen. If at the doses people are taking they feel back to normal at the end of a week, thats probably way to damn much :D
 
grila jujitsu said:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

these to threads should tel you all you need to know. good luck man and get swole
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Thanks for the articles! I read them both :)

EasyEJL said:
The concept is sound, I think the serm doses everyone uses are kind of on the high side though. My upcoming cycle, i'm not using a conventional serm or AI (not necessarily recommending you follow this lead btw). I'm going to use 2g of resveratrol a day 2 weeks pre-cycle + thru cycle, then dermacrine sustain solo for post cycle therapy. I'll be doing blood tests for testosterone + estrogens both pre-cycle and post PCT. So if after PCT I'm low, I'll have a SERM on hand. I don't think i'll need it tho. And if I do need it, i'm not starting with 40mg (4ml), i'll likely start with no more than 15mg, and taper from there.

In my opinion, some amount of PCT losses come from heavy doses of SERMs while your body is in that swing state of coming off an androgen. If at the doses people are taking they feel back to normal at the end of a week, thats probably way to damn much :D
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Hmmmm... So what do you think my dosage should be for my serm?
 
I'm just risking my own testicles, so I don't want to suggest you do it :) do searches in the steroids or PCT section for Nolva, you should find a selection of dosages that people use pretty successfully
 
grila jujitsu said:
didnt know i was giving him the 3rd. i was only trying to inform him and gather info so i may anawer his question to the best of my ability.
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He was just asking for PCT advice and not anything he asked required the information that you requested. At times we have had a rash of people flaming members because they are lacking in this or that. So I made a preemptive strike. Not personal.

Additionally there has also been a pandemic of members running every thread they post in way OT and end up hijacking an other members thread. Not personal.

Your help is appreciated.
 
B5150 said:
He was just asking for post cycle therapy advice and not anything he asked required the information that you requested. At times we have had a rash of people flaming members because they are lacking in this or that. So I made a preemptive strike. Not personal.

Additionally there has also been a pandemic of members running every thread they post in way OT and end up hijacking an other members thread. Not personal.

Your help is appreciated.
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im really sorry if i came off as flaming him. it was not my intent. i want only to answer his question to the best that i could.

sorry
gj
 
grila jujitsu said:
im really sorry if i came off as flaming him. it was not my intent. i want only to answer his question to the best that i could.

sorry
gj
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Like I said, or intended to, is that many do, and they start out with the "post your age, experience, training and diet".

You may very well not have gone there. I have seen far too many newcomers be run off here when threads go off on that tangent.

Again it was just being preemptive (I could have been more polite I am sure) and not personal. Think nothing more of it really :)
 
B5150 said:
Like I said, or intended to, is that many do, and they start out with the "post your age, experience, training and diet".

You may very well not have gone there. I have seen far too many newcomers be run off here when threads go off on that tangent.

Again it was just being preemptive (I could have been more polite I am sure) and not personal. Think nothing more of it really :)
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I can tell this board maintains a high level of quality control! :thumbsup:
 
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