Derailing the Epistane Train
- 04-02-2009, 11:50 AM
- 04-02-2009, 12:09 PM
i wonder if you'll be able to see some "epistane difference" when your through with pct
- 04-02-2009, 12:29 PM
i think the cycle i ran was more of just to run one, especially being a lightweight. the differences i have learned/made in diet and training over the past year are beyond night and day. i dont see myself running anything again for awhile, there are just too many programs out there to follow like the 5x5, bill starr's variation, or just straight up hypertrophy with splits. and AM is an endless supply of logs and things to try that dont require any ph/ds use at all. i think ive gained more since epi than while on.
training for starters, i was really all into mike mentzers HIT where you have to work the **** out of yourself once a week to get big or risk over training, so i spent the first couple weeks doing that, and finally getting pissed off about not putting in the work/effort that i used to and ran 3 and then 4 day split.
since starting 5x5 ive already beat my deadlift pr's while on epi, was 2x275 and im already aiming for 5x280 next week and i feel that it will take a great amount of effort for me, but will hit it and bump up the following week.
at this stage in the game for me, im pretty sure that if i was running a placebo, i'd have had the same results!
04-02-2009, 01:31 PM
04-06-2009, 05:09 PM
overdid something last wednesday, been off since then. skipping squats and being very careful with the shoulders this week. my right shoulder is like, jesus... well not really like jesus but DAMNIT anyway. not sure if it's because ive been toying around with glucosamine amounts per day or whatever, but it's been popping LOUD. feels much better today, but still being careful.
this week will be Monday / Thursday / Saturday due to schedule. I'll be up in Philly the rest of the week doing mindless exercises for work (most likely lots of geocaching and visiting the town). Planning for good weather, packing for the worst. Can't wait to get up there for a change of pace.
04-06-2009, 08:06 PM
ok im a lying bastard
squats: went easy on these to make sure i didnt hurt myself further
bench: for some reason that damn shoulder was holding me back from moving forward
inverted row: better form this week so these numbers mean a lot more to me
reverse crunch: these things are still the devil
3x12 w/ 40lb counterweight
can't wait to see how this feels in a day or two
04-06-2009, 08:10 PM
are you ready for fall?
04-10-2009, 08:53 AM
That's a lot of pills my man.
04-10-2009, 08:59 AM
holy ****, that is a lot of pills! how much was all that? how you gonna be runnin it?
04-10-2009, 02:02 PM
all in due time my friends
got back from philly late last night, schedule is a bit messed. i'll be hitting my wednesday today (5x5 workout B) and will be hitting A on Sunday. Next week is going to go Tue (AM) Wed (PM) Fri(PM). I work late shift next week but it offsets by so little that I just have to remember to feed the dog/cats a bit sooner when I get in.
moving to the city and working there would probably do me a lot of good, i dont think i've ever walked that much since last time I was up there. good workout dodging cars and people at rush hour!!
04-10-2009, 09:25 PM
finally reached my grip limit on these damn deadlifts. it was very f**** hard to get 5x295, forearms need to wake the hell up and grow
squat: 5x135 warm up, 5x5x185, 1x225 just to taste the future. lower back was feeling the work, cant wait for this to get better!
overhead press: 5x5x85 felt good, im reminded again that shoulders are one of my weak points. i will feel this like a mofo
dead: 5x295. wish i had my straps but left them at home, needed them tonight if i was going to go any heavier.
pull up: 5/5/5
prone bridges: 3x30 seconds
very good night IMO and looking forward to sunday. tired now, very tired. going to eat and click on the tv and drift into never never land.
04-14-2009, 06:31 PM
getting ready to head out. some things i learned from last week for myself, even a little bit of alcohol seems to kill my progress groove. i havent felt right since last week in philly+last weekend. this is going to be another hardcore party weekend, but i'll probably leave the patron and vodka alone.
since i started actually working on squats and the reverse crunches, ive noticed the beginning of ab transformation so im pretty excited there. a little behind schedule but hell i have a couple months to go so im going to be stepping them up. i know 5x5 has them set at twice a week but im thinking every day or every other day regardless.
picture quality is complete crap, but i need to post something to look back on later.
also happy birthday to my AM membership, just renewed after my first year. here's to another one!
04-14-2009, 06:38 PM
just noticed i didnt post up sunday's workout.
i think the lower amounts of glucosamine worked against me, or ive been wearing myself out lately since i became such a lazy bastard after getting out of the army
finished up with 2x5x135
shoulders still hurt here, being careful to not get hurt and build back strength here
reverse crunch, 40lb counter
cant wait to see how i feel after tonight
im going to keep the 185 squat and make sure i can nail 5x5, keeping the 145 bench to see how i feel in a couple days from it
reverse crunches still hurt like a mother f*cker from middle of 2nd set on. i wish someone would have stressed these to me back in my younger days.
04-14-2009, 11:54 PM
Give me some more squat volume man.
Rack that 185 up three sets if you have to. Try to pound out 20 reps.
If you dont feel like puking or sh*tting yourself on leg day - I'd call it a failure.
04-15-2009, 01:54 AM
hows the epistane treating ya?
04-15-2009, 07:13 AM
TL: i actually think the 185 is too much for my lower back, or right around the hips. i can get 5x5 but it takes me like 15 minutes to nail them all and im breathing like a son of a bitch and sweating. it's a good time and all but it's mostly due to joint pain too and i dont want to take any backwards steps. i'll take your advice and hit my last set to failure (im trying to maintain the 5x5 program) or 20 reps, whichever comes first. also, backing down to 175 to make sure im only working muscles and not grinding my bones to death. then again, maybe im just being too wussy about it. i'll know in a few weeks though! im still on the glucosamine, i need to add in some super cissus.
i tried capping a few months ago but that's messy as ****, im just going to start dumping the cissus into a shake or two every day and see what happens.
friday im bringing straps and going for that 301 deadlift. that bitch is mine!
04-15-2009, 07:17 AM
normally i dont eat until after the gym, but i had like 50g carbs in corn and some hamburgers and i had the biggest damn pump ever after going through the pushups. im gonna have to consider eating that for awhile! lol
moving back to 175. it's not muscle failure, but hips seem to be stressed the f*** out. once whatever is there gets stronger i'll be able to kill more weight.
keeping that weight until my shoulders act right
been very tired lately, feel flat on my face after that number 9
reverse crunch, 35 lb counter. still brutal
im also firing my o'neil large shirt. it wears like a medium and feels tiny. i hate it. i bet it's mislabeled!@#
04-15-2009, 07:40 AM
H-drol seems like the best choice for you IMO from what you've posted but I'd read a few more logs on each of those products before you buy anything. Get on the company forums or do a post for 'epistane log' for example, there's tons of information on here if you're willing to look for it.
In terms of PCT, I wholeheartedly believe in purchasing SERMS (nolva, clomid etc.) as a precaution, even if you choose to not use them. There's a massive amount of information on post cycle therapy in this forum:
I went with a SERM and cortisol blocker for my last PCT (10-week Testosterone Enanthate cycle), whether you feel you need one for a DS/PH cycle is debateable, I personally wouldn't cycle without one on hand.
They are tried and tested and will certainly prevent most oestrogenic sides from the steroids getting worse when you come off cycle. Obviously they are illegal to purchase without prescription in the US, so be careful.
Before I leave this poor OP to get back to his thread, all I'll say is research MORE than you feel you need, leave NOTHING to chance or you'll regret it.
04-15-2009, 08:21 AM
my buddy charles has me trying Ceylon cinnamon (NOT CASSIA aka grocery store) to help with the joints. it has an antioxidant rating of ~300,000 (q10 is ~4000). now the cassia cinnamon (most common) has this crap called courmarin in it which will destroy your liver (you can guess what this is bad, especially with some of the "supplements" we take here). it also helps with cholesterol, and that's how he came across it.
couple good links: http://www.ceylon-cinnamon.com/Identify-Cinnamon.htm http://www.bfr.bund.de/cd/8487 http://oracvalues.com/spices-cinnamon-ground
where i'll be ordering from
looking forward to posting results once i start taking this
04-15-2009, 08:23 AM
04-15-2009, 05:12 PM
04-15-2009, 09:44 PM
04-16-2009, 07:23 AM
04-20-2009, 06:41 PM
- okay totally pussied out on the widowmakers
- anterior delts still weak, building these. my new nickname is mister muscle imbalance
- improving here
*lightning crash outside* wonder if i'll get to post this before power cuts out
supposed to get hail too, woot
reverse crunch, 35 lb counter
- first set was easy, getting somewhere on these finally
- last set was still a complete bitÁh
the last two weeks have been hell at work and ive missed a few days.
i think it's helped me recover a bit from possibly straining myself too much on some things. it could all just be in my head, but i feel great and cant wait to get in there again.
also considering ditching this 5x5 thing and going back to a m/t r/f split. i really liked that pace and didnt have so many rest days that skipping was easy or as detrimental to progress. anyone has a great 4 day split they want me to jump on just hollar.
one thing to know is that i love the inverted rows and the pushups in 5x5 because i always feel a hellish pump in my little t-rex arms afterwards. also combining push/pull in the same day seems to be really awesome in terms of stretching too and helping with blood flow after the working set.
04-20-2009, 07:50 PM
I do a 5 day split buddy, but it's not confined to a specific day. I just move onto the next part when I get to the gym next - so could be 6 days on a row, or 3 days a week.
04-22-2009, 07:01 PM
massive abuse tonight
i abused the squat rack for overhead press less than 135 lbs
some dude tried to kill me for being such a little bitÁh
squats- ok by next monday new routine, im sick of squats every day
i saw 2 other 45s in the corner crying, they know their time is coming
strapless, like the tops my women wear
04-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Ill forgive you for the overhead.
Congrats on the 225 squats, I know you've been looking forward to that for awhile.
05-01-2009, 04:07 PM
today is free for all day at the gym, any exercise, any weight goes, the only requirement massive intensity and massive pain
nothing new worth posting from the past week number wise. the shoulders are starting to grow to support this skeletal structure and allow me to push larger numbers soon. cant wait to graduate 135 overhead press. i think next cycle is going to be pretty furious, bring it on i say
05-01-2009, 07:52 PM
im calling gym fun day a success, no notebook, just running like a crazy bitch from one piece of equipment to the next. let's see if i can remember anything:
10x155 bench with 0 pain and proper form for once in my damn life
2x10x135 decline bench (found a new muscle in the back of my arm here)
2x10x110kg pec deck
10x45 tbar row
10x20 tricep pull down
lots of bb curls
massive pump courtesy of anadraulic state
oh and 2 megamillions quick pick lottery tickets to finish it off
05-01-2009, 07:54 PM
oh and call it all mental or placebo or whatever you want, but I'm totally calling Anabolic Xtreme's "AXcite" absolutely AWESOME. it's like truth serum, now all the womens are verbalizing how massively good Anabolic Minds has been to me!
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