Epistane?

[bell1986]

Who's run epistane and had some results.

I've been on trt for a few years now and had some mini blasts with test/primo in that period.

My weight/muscle mass was almost at a stall the last year.

Had a look around and epistane seemed to have some good feedback.

I started it a week ago and I can feel it working now.

Was gonna just run 30mg for a month and see how it effects me.

I've added in some Tudca just to keep the liver values in check.

What's annoying me is. Most oral steroids make me feel hellish. I've tried them all and the same ill feeling.

Epistane... Higher libido. Mood has drastically improved. No side effects at all. Well.. If feeling great is a side effect then it's hitting hard. I also look/feel leaner.

What's peoples opinions on it?

What could you gain in a 4-6 week cycle? At this state I would honestly be happy with a couple extra pounds. It's a shame it's methylated as I would have ran it for much longer.

Anyone run it and seen some extra mass?

Thanks

 

[madmuscle24]

I've ran it multiple times over the years at 30 to 40mg over a 4 to 5 week period with good results. It's a nice finisher to a cycle for extra strength and gains IME. It's not as dry as alot of people claim for me personally. If you are a good responder to it I think you'll be happy with your results from it.

 

[Darkhorse192]

I would add NAC and Milk thistle, Liver Support XT is great to run alongside TUDCA, as well as L-ornithine L-aspartate

 

[Rad83]

I’ve read a few times that @Smont really digs it…!

 

[Smont]

Epistane is one of my favorites, size gains will be dependent on your calories and i think tudca or nac is plenty for liver. Cosmeticly it gives a nice look if your lean enough, strength wise its hit or miss for ppl but i get great strength off of it. On a cut i firmly believe its on par with winni.

I used test, eq and epistane around this time last year and benched 315×11 while weighing 215-218lbs. Best bench for reps in my life

 

[bell1986]

Epistane is one of my favorites, size gains will be dependent on your calories and i think tudca or nac is plenty for liver. Cosmeticly it gives a nice look if your lean enough, strength wise its hit or miss for ppl but i get great strength off of it. On a cut i firmly believe its on par with winni.

I used test, eq and epistane around this time last year and benched 315×11 while weighing 215-218lbs. Best bench for reps in my life

Seems a great compound. I've been using it for around 13 days now and can notice some changes.

Strength is definitely improved. My usual dumbell chest press yesterday went up much easier. Got an extra 2 reps + I added 2.5kg to each dumbell.

My weight is up 3 pounds. I've been stuck at a certain weight for a long time. My body just seemed to not want to grow from this weight. I was happy to see it finally break that plateau weight.

I use a muscle caliper to track progress. I tested it on my arms yesterday and it was up my half an inch! Probably extra glycogen but I will take it for now.

Not had a single side effect. I've tried a few orals over the years. They all made me feel dreadful. Anadrol was the worst. Splitting headaches. Nausea. Lethargic as hell.

Epistane so far has actually improved alot of these. My mood seems much better. Appetite is great. Better libido. I just feel good on this compound.

I'm gonna run it 6 weeks and see how my bloods look.

I have been doing 30mg a day. 10mg morning/afternoon/before bed

I will do this for 4 weeks then bump it to 40mg for 2 weeks. I'm hoping I don't get any sides at 40mg. I have a feeling I won't. My body feels great on this.

I've added in Tudca for the liver.

So far. All positives. Can see this being my future choice of additions

 

[bell1986]

This is my new favourite AAS! Loving it so far.

I'm around 2.5 weeks in. I'm up 5 pounds (I've been at a stalled weight for months).

My usual lifts have all went up ( Also been at a plateau in weights the last few months also)

Side effects. Some mild hair loss. That's all I have noticed.

I feel very good. More confident. More chatty.

My physique has definitely had some nice changes. Especially up around my chest/shoulders/traps.

I only train 3 times a week.

I work a crazy physical job. 20-30k steps a day and always lifting heavy items. This in turns means I have to eat a lot of calories. I don't fully track as I've done it for years. I roughly know a calorie amount of what I'm eating. I'm up around 4000+ calories. I need to stay up above this or my weight just plummets.

Another addition is. Evomuse - Topmuscle. I added this in alongside epistane.

I'm hoping my bloods look good and I can push this cycle to 6-8 weeks. I reckon the tudca (800mg a day) will keep my liver in check.

I'm hoping to gain maybe 10 pounds? I'm up 5 so far so I think that's achievable.

Also added 0.5 inch to my arms. My arms are my worst body part to grow. I've tried high volume. Low volume. Heavy weights. Light weights. Nothing seems to make them grow. I've been applying Topmuscle to my arms to hopefully trigger some size. Looks good so far.

Great addition for anyone on trt I reckon? Epistane will shut you down. Not harshly but it will hit your testosterone levels. I'm on 120mg test a week so don't worry about that. It's probably the reason why I have no sides?

Also. I've noticed that epistane will lower estrogen. I've stopped using my DIM + Calcium D Glucarate. I can tell when my estrogen is getting low. Just something to look out for.

 

[johnny412]

This is my new favourite AAS! Loving it so far.

I'm around 2.5 weeks in. I'm up 5 pounds (I've been at a stalled weight for months).

My usual lifts have all went up ( Also been at a plateau in weights the last few months also)

Side effects. Some mild hair loss. That's all I have noticed.

I feel very good. More confident. More chatty.

My physique has definitely had some nice changes. Especially up around my chest/shoulders/traps.

I only train 3 times a week.

I work a crazy physical job. 20-30k steps a day and always lifting heavy items. This in turns means I have to eat a lot of calories. I don't fully track as I've done it for years. I roughly know a calorie amount of what I'm eating. I'm up around 4000+ calories. I need to stay up above this or my weight just plummets.

Another addition is. Evomuse - Topmuscle. I added this in alongside epistane.

I'm hoping my bloods look good and I can push this cycle to 6-8 weeks. I reckon the tudca (800mg a day) will keep my liver in check.

I'm hoping to gain maybe 10 pounds? I'm up 5 so far so I think that's achievable.

Also added 0.5 inch to my arms. My arms are my worst body part to grow. I've tried high volume. Low volume. Heavy weights. Light weights. Nothing seems to make them grow. I've been applying Topmuscle to my arms to hopefully trigger some size. Looks good so far.

Great addition for anyone on trt I reckon? Epistane will shut you down. Not harshly but it will hit your testosterone levels. I'm on 120mg test a week so don't worry about that. It's probably the reason why I have no sides?

Also. I've noticed that epistane will lower estrogen. I've stopped using my DIM + Calcium D Glucarate. I can tell when my estrogen is getting low. Just something to look out for.

what brand epistane?

 

[bell1986]

what brand epistane?

RPN - Havoc

Seems to be a well respected brand and quality?

I did look online and this one seemed to get good reviews.

 

[AndroRage]

This is my new favourite AAS! Loving it so far.

I'm around 2.5 weeks in. I'm up 5 pounds (I've been at a stalled weight for months).

My usual lifts have all went up ( Also been at a plateau in weights the last few months also)

Side effects. Some mild hair loss. That's all I have noticed.

I feel very good. More confident. More chatty.

My physique has definitely had some nice changes. Especially up around my chest/shoulders/traps.

I only train 3 times a week.

I work a crazy physical job. 20-30k steps a day and always lifting heavy items. This in turns means I have to eat a lot of calories. I don't fully track as I've done it for years. I roughly know a calorie amount of what I'm eating. I'm up around 4000+ calories. I need to stay up above this or my weight just plummets.

Another addition is. Evomuse - Topmuscle. I added this in alongside epistane.

I'm hoping my bloods look good and I can push this cycle to 6-8 weeks. I reckon the tudca (800mg a day) will keep my liver in check.

I'm hoping to gain maybe 10 pounds? I'm up 5 so far so I think that's achievable.

Also added 0.5 inch to my arms. My arms are my worst body part to grow. I've tried high volume. Low volume. Heavy weights. Light weights. Nothing seems to make them grow. I've been applying Topmuscle to my arms to hopefully trigger some size. Looks good so far.

Great addition for anyone on trt I reckon? Epistane will shut you down. Not harshly but it will hit your testosterone levels. I'm on 120mg test a week so don't worry about that. It's probably the reason why I have no sides?

Also. I've noticed that epistane will lower estrogen. I've stopped using my DIM + Calcium D Glucarate. I can tell when my estrogen is getting low. Just something to look out for.

Keep us updated Bro. I’m following along. Sounds great so far.

 

[NeoCycle98]

RPN - Havoc

Seems to be a well respected brand and quality?

I did look online and this one seemed to get good reviews.

That’s good stuff, havoc is the go to. I’ve ran epistane, some definition, some size, I would have gained more mass if I was doing a bull but I was actually just recouping or a slight cut, recouping for me basically means staying around the same weight but looking better, less BF%, hopefully some retainable muscle, etc.

I’ve run 2 cycles with tbol and test and I’m currently running

Test C @ 500mg per week 1-10
Primo E @ 400mg per week 1-10
Turinabol @ 50mg per week 2-10
Parabolan @ 30mg per week 1-10
Cardarine @20mg every day weeks 1-10

I think that you will like tbol for the purpose you described, it will definitely add more than a couple pounds of muscle and you can push it past 4-6 weeks, more like 6-8 being very reasonable and it’s very dry, no water retention worries, cholesterol stays within range unlike var. Well-being and stamina are the best for me on tbol also.

 

[gmoneypm]

Also subbed as I’m getting ready to run some Havoc and Dbol very soon.

 

[bell1986]

That’s good stuff, havoc is the go to. I’ve ran epistane, some definition, some size, I would have gained more mass if I was doing a bull but I was actually just recouping or a slight cut, recouping for me basically means staying around the same weight but looking better, less BF%, hopefully some retainable muscle, etc.

I’ve run 2 cycles with tbol and test and I’m currently running

Test C @ 500mg per week 1-10
Primo E @ 400mg per week 1-10
Turinabol @ 50mg per week 2-10
Parabolan @ 30mg per week 1-10
Cardarine @20mg every day weeks 1-10

I think that you will like tbol for the purpose you described, it will definitely add more than a couple pounds of muscle and you can push it past 4-6 weeks, more like 6-8 being very reasonable and it’s very dry, no water retention worries, cholesterol stays within range unlike var. Well-being and stamina are the best for me on tbol also.

I have tbol their.

Would you rate tbol more than epistane?

I'm into the 3rd week of epistane and I've enjoyed it so far. Up around 6 pounds. I have been at the same weight for months until I added in epistane so I'm certain that I'm gaining mass. My strength is up also.

When you run epistane did you notice it lowering your estrogen?

I noticed some low estrogen sides the last few days. I've read it has e2 lowering properties. I'm only on 120mg of test a week so estrogen shouldn't be too high. I'm sure that epistane has lowered it though. Feels a little too low just now. I bumped my test up to 150mg just to offset the lower e2. I have a bloodwork panel next week so will see just how strong the impact on liver/lipids and e2 next week.

My body is creaking and cracking lol

 

[delsolrob]

Just a quick reminder, this is an anabolic discussion and should be in the anabolic forums - Epistane is a steroid. everything else in this discussion is about anabolics. these are not supplements

Epistane should not really have any improved libido or energy - it does not convert to DHT. if you weren't on test, it would likely tank your libido by now. I love epistane and have had great results in improved muscle density, definition, strength, leaning. One of my best runs was epistane and 11-keto (XI-KT)

As far as I'm aware, there is no property about epistane that will lower estrogen - as it does not convert to estrogen, it could lower estrogen in someone who is not running testosterone with it, as it shuts down natural testosterone production - estrogen would be lowered too (same goes for many designer steroids) but, since you're running it with your TRT, I don't think you should experience any lowered estrogen.

 

[EpiStrong]

Epistane is awesome hence my username. Glad it works for you personally libido drops on me further in

 

[lanky]

i have not take epistane in about 18 years but i remember it being very mild, slight strength gains, maybe a little sharper looking. epistate was a yellow tinged compound, some supplement companies added a mint flavor to the tablets to mask odor. i think it was Hemaguno by spectra force research

 

[Hyde]

I have ran Epistane several times - it was my very first cycle even. 30 mg for 3 weeks, last week or so at 40mg. Most I’ve ran is 6 weeks, up to 80mg by the last couple weeks - 60mg is the point of diminishing returns. It keeps doing more as I cranked the dose up through ~60. But 80 wasn’t really noticeably different.

It always made me a lot stronger around week 4, drier & harder looking, added some lean mass, but always made me lethargic and the dry creaky joints became unbearable - I got rid of the rest I had even years ago, it was so hard on joints. I would only consider it ever now with some nandrolone on board. It did not affect my libido.

Epistane can convert to Pheraplex over time - Phera made me VERY horny, excellent mood/euphoric like Dbol, strength and weight coming on in just the first week. I am wondering if some of your Epistane may have converted to Phera (this isn’t a bad thing; they stack very well). But the Rice Krispy joints is indeed a hallmark Epistane trait.

Consider adding some oral Pregnenolone to raise your estrogen and progesterone a bit. Always helps my joints hold a bit more water so I pop it when I get extra creaky, and you can get it at any supermarket. Oral has a higher conversion to these.

 

[bell1986]

I have ran Epistane several times - it was my very first cycle even. 30 mg for 3 weeks, last week or so at 40mg. Most I’ve ran is 6 weeks, up to 80mg by the last couple weeks - 60mg is the point of diminishing returns. It keeps doing more as I cranked the dose up through ~60. But 80 wasn’t really noticeably different.

It always made me a lot stronger around week 4, drier & harder looking, added some lean mass, but always made me lethargic and the dry creaky joints became unbearable - I got rid of the rest I had even years ago, it was so hard on joints. I would only consider it ever now with some nandrolone on board. It did not affect my libido.

Epistane can convert to Pheraplex over time - Phera made me VERY horny, excellent mood/euphoric like Dbol, strength and weight coming on in just the first week. I am wondering if some of your Epistane may have converted to Phera (this isn’t a bad thing; they stack very well). But the Rice Krispy joints is indeed a hallmark Epistane trait.

Consider adding some oral Pregnenolone to raise your estrogen and progesterone a bit. Always helps my joints hold a bit more water so I pop it when I get extra creaky, and you can get it at any supermarket. Oral has a higher conversion to these.

I've got pregnenolone their. I always feel off whenever I supplement pregnenolone. Not sure why? It's only a 10mg dose too

I do take 25mg DHEA daily.

I've just stopped at the 4 week mark of Epistane.

Was it worth it? Yes. I gained about 5-6 pounds. I look much better aswell.

I would have run it longer but my body was starting to crack and crunch like crazy. I'm certain that epistane lowers estrogen levels. I know the feeling of low estrogen very well.

It's a great compound. If it wasn't methylated and never affected estrogen I would run it all the time. I felt great on it. Any other orals always made me feel horrid. Epistane I felt good mentally and had almost zero sides. Just the estrogen aspect.

 

[Hyde]

I've got pregnenolone their. I always feel off whenever I supplement pregnenolone. Not sure why? It's only a 10mg dose too

I do take 25mg DHEA daily.

I've just stopped at the 4 week mark of Epistane.

Was it worth it? Yes. I gained about 5-6 pounds. I look much better aswell.

I would have run it longer but my body was starting to crack and crunch like crazy. I'm certain that epistane lowers estrogen levels. I know the feeling of low estrogen very well.

It's a great compound. If it wasn't methylated and never affected estrogen I would run it all the time. I felt great on it. Any other orals always made me feel horrid. Epistane I felt good mentally and had almost zero sides. Just the estrogen aspect.

Orals give me terrible acid reflux about a week in - Dbol specifically will do it on day 1 or 2 actually for me. It’s great you found something that sits well with you for occasional use.

I use 10mg Preg as well when I do, but if that feels bad I would just crank the oral DHEA in the future. 1-200mg daily (they have given elderly people these doses; this isn’t unhealthy besides making sure you don’t overdo the estrogen conversion).

 

[delsolrob]

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with the discount codes these are really inexpensive for what they are.

 

[delsolrob]

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[Hyde]

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with the discount codes these are really inexpensive for what they are.

I was actually suggesting oral for him because of the crazy conversion rates to estrogen, but that being said that is the reason I don’t use it as part of my cruise. So I really should grab some of your transdermal DHEA to try to incorporate some into my own replacement regiment!

 

[bell1986]

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with the discount codes these are really inexpensive for what they are.

Damn those are great prices!

I'm very supportive of providing the neuro steroids when using TRT. I've done a DHEA blood test last year and it was at the bottom end of the scale. 25mg DHEA seen me at the top of the range very quickly.

I wonder if topical pregnenolone might be better for myself? I'm gonna test it and see how I feel. The 10mg swanson brand definitely doesn't give me any benefits. I feel worse.

I will pick up some of the topical and give it a try.

Thanks

 

[BillD]

I was actually suggesting oral for him because of the crazy conversion rates to estrogen, but that being said that is the reason I don’t use it as part of my cruise. So I really should grab some of your transdermal DHEA to try to incorporate some into my own replacement regiment!

Oral coverts to estrogen more than transdermal?

 

[Hyde]

Oral coverts to estrogen more than transdermal?

Big time. Which is great if that’s what you’re looking for, like this scenario where you would like to quickly raise estrogen without taking/raising testosterone significantly also, but not as efficient if you’re trying to especially raise DHEA itself.

The transdermals, like the ones Rob makes, are much better for getting more net DHEA - something to do with different enzyme levels in the skin if I recall?

Anyone who has used Dermacrine and also eaten regular DHEA capsules can tell you there’s a stark difference in effects, at lower transdermal doses too.

 

[bell1986]

Big time. Which is great if that’s what you’re looking for, like this scenario where you would like to quickly raise estrogen without taking/raising testosterone significantly also, but not as efficient if you’re trying to especially raise DHEA itself.

The transdermals, like the ones Rob makes, are much better for getting more net DHEA - something to do with different enzyme levels in the skin if I recall?

Anyone who has used Dermacrine and also eaten regular DHEA capsules can tell you there’s a stark difference in effects, at lower transdermal doses too.

Sounds interesting. I know just how important the neuro steroids are.

My libido was completely shot on trt. High end test levels and good estrogen levels. Prolactin etc all in range. Libido was in the toilet. Could barely keep an erection etc. Just never made sense.

I added in DHEA and it started to fix those issues. I know that pregnenolone is the missing factor though. Allopregnenolone etc is crazy important for overall mood/libido.

I've just ordered your pregnenolone their. I will report back. I will start with a 5mg dose and see how that feels. I love the idea of a transdermal. You can accurately dose in low amounts and work up.

Thanks for showing me this. I honestly never knew the topical existed. Excited to try it now lol

 

[Supercellular]

I have tbol their.

Would you rate tbol more than epistane?

I'm into the 3rd week of epistane and I've enjoyed it so far. Up around 6 pounds. I have been at the same weight for months until I added in epistane so I'm certain that I'm gaining mass. My strength is up also.

When you run epistane did you notice it lowering your estrogen?

I noticed some low estrogen sides the last few days. I've read it has e2 lowering properties. I'm only on 120mg of test a week so estrogen shouldn't be too high. I'm sure that epistane has lowered it though. Feels a little too low just now. I bumped my test up to 150mg just to offset the lower e2. I have a bloodwork panel next week so will see just how strong the impact on liver/lipids and e2 next week.

My body is creaking and cracking lol

Maybe run some 4ad (androtest) - test will stack well with epi and the joint issues you’re getting will improve.

 

[BillD]

Big time. Which is great if that’s what you’re looking for, like this scenario where you would like to quickly raise estrogen without taking/raising testosterone significantly also, but not as efficient if you’re trying to especially raise DHEA itself.

The transdermals, like the ones Rob makes, are much better for getting more net DHEA - something to do with different enzyme levels in the skin if I recall?

Anyone who has used Dermacrine and also eaten regular DHEA capsules can tell you there’s a stark difference in effects, at lower transdermal doses too.

Do you recommend running some arimistane or inhibit e with dhea?

 

[bell1986]

Do you recommend running some arimistane or inhibit e with dhea?

You won't need it with DHEA alone tbh. DHEA will convert slightly to estrogen but it also raises testosterone and this is all kept in balance.

You won't need any AI.

I run 120mg test e a week + 25mg DHEA a day and I don't use an AI. I use to aromatise very harshly but over time my body adjusted and now I aromatise perfectly. Weird but I'm not complaining.

 

[BillD]

You won't need it with DHEA alone tbh. DHEA will convert slightly to estrogen but it also raises testosterone and this is all kept in balance.

You won't need any AI.

I run 120mg test e a week + 25mg DHEA a day and I don't use an AI. I use to aromatise very harshly but over time my body adjusted and now I aromatise perfectly. Weird but I'm not complaining.

How much oral dhea would’ve be equivalent to 25mg of topical?

 

[bell1986]

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with the discount codes these are really inexpensive for what they are.

Hey

I picked up your topical pregnenolone (Neuro P5).

Been using it for 2 days. I'm using. 25ml (6.25mg pregnenolone).

Not sure why but... It's giving me a headache? A very dull in the background headache. I'm gonna keep using it as I know that our body will adjust usually with some time.

Have you heard this issue before?

I did have a look online and it seems a common side effect when starting pregnenolone?

Though I've noticed some little benefits. I felt more chatty today. My anxiety felt more levelled out.

I will keep this updated

 

[delsolrob]

Hey

I picked up your topical pregnenolone (Neuro P5).

Been using it for 2 days. I'm using. 25ml (6.25mg pregnenolone).

Not sure why but... It's giving me a headache? A very dull in the background headache. I'm gonna keep using it as I know that our body will adjust usually with some time.

Have you heard this issue before?

I did have a look online and it seems a common side effect when starting pregnenolone?

Though I've noticed some little benefits. I felt more chatty today. My anxiety felt more levelled out.

I will keep this updated

That's odd - I've heard of Pregnenolone helping with migraines...

25mg may be too much. I may recommend cutting down to .5ml and seeing how it treats you.

 

[bell1986]

That's odd - I've heard of Pregnenolone helping with migraines...

25mg may be too much. I may recommend cutting down to .5ml and seeing how it treats you.

I'm using .25ml (6.25mg). I'm still using it. I was also getting high bp spikes? Flustered face and hot flash feelings?

It may just be my body getting used to it. I've had this with loads of supplements. Cialis was a different animal for a transition period lol

 

[lanky]

0.25ml is such a small dose. i was taking 3ml a day

 

[delsolrob]

whoa, I had bloodwork done when I was running 100mg DHEA TD daily and my DHEA was off the charts - I can't imagine what my preg would have looked like running 75mg td daily.

 

[lanky]

whoa, I had bloodwork done when I was running 100mg DHEA TD daily and my DHEA was off the charts - I can't imagine what my preg would have looked like running 75mg td daily.

definitely my face had a nice plump hydrated feeling when taking 75mg transdermal pregnenolone from alpha gainz, for some reason it make my skin look 10 years younger on my face, i am in my 40's now so i have lost lots of collagen and subcutaneous fat and the skin on my face is really thin, i never worse sunscreen growing up and have lots of sun damege being outdoors fishing/golfing/ and playing sports, normally i have very chiseled features but as i have aged it is even more pronounced because the loss of fat. i neve had my pregnenolone levels tested. i did go up to 400mg daily oral and it became hard to orgasm at that dose, i did not have any sexual sides while on transdermal

 

[Hyde]

i did go up to 400mg daily oral and it became hard to orgasm at that dose, i did not have any sexual sides while on transdermal

Pregnenolone will convert to some progesterone & estrogen downstream. Big doses will be mean higher PR & ER stimulation. PR stimulation in a higher estrogen environment means elevated prolactin - which makes it hard to orgasm.

As mentioned, transdermal has less conversion to estrogen.

 

[bell1986]

definitely my face had a nice plump hydrated feeling when taking 75mg transdermal pregnenolone from alpha gainz, for some reason it make my skin look 10 years younger on my face, i am in my 40's now so i have lost lots of collagen and subcutaneous fat and the skin on my face is really thin, i never worse sunscreen growing up and have lots of sun damege being outdoors fishing/golfing/ and playing sports, normally i have very chiseled features but as i have aged it is even more pronounced because the loss of fat. i neve had my pregnenolone levels tested. i did go up to 400mg daily oral and it became hard to orgasm at that dose, i did not have any sexual sides while on transdermal

75mg? Wow!

Any side effects on this?

I'm still getting headaches sadly. I've just stopped it just now. I need to get a pregnenolone blood test just to see if I'm actually deficient.

I know when your on trt it can lower dhea/Pregnenolone levels. I've done a dhea blood test and it was at a 2 on a scale of 2 - 12. Added in 25mg and it was way up at 11. I felt much better after adding in dhea.

 

[Tunaking14]

Can Epistane still be bought legally in the U.S.? I loved it back in the day but that it was outlawed. If I order from Predator (U.K. - i believe) will it be delivered here in the U.S.?

 

[delsolrob]

Can Epistane still be bought legally in the U.S.? I loved it back in the day but that it was outlawed. If I order from Predator (U.K. - i believe) will it be delivered here in the U.S.?

It cannot be purchased legally in the US - importing a banned substance does carry some risk

 

[Hyde]

Can Epistane still be bought legally in the U.S.? I loved it back in the day but that it was outlawed. If I order from Predator (U.K. - i believe) will it be delivered here in the U.S.?

I promise you your joints don’t want any part of that now, 10 years later. I’m dead serious. Not unless you’re stacking it with deca or trestolone.

 

[lanky]

75mg? Wow!

Any side effects on this?

I'm still getting headaches sadly. I've just stopped it just now. I need to get a pregnenolone blood test just to see if I'm actually deficient.

I know when your on trt it can lower dhea/Pregnenolone levels. I've done a dhea blood test and it was at a 2 on a scale of 2 - 12. Added in 25mg and it was way up at 11. I felt much better after adding in dhea.

no bad sides on the transdermal pregnenolone. when i went to 400mg oral i started getting itchy skin and the sexual sides and decided to stop.....i also like just regular oral dhea for overall wellbeing but i get headaches if i go over 100mg a day

 

[liftallday123]

What do you guys think of 40mg of epistane for 6 weeks vs 60mg of var for 8 weeks regarding a lean bulk along side testosterone. Is epistane more harsh on blood work vs var? Just curious to how they both would compare. I know there are a bunch of threads on this already lol.

 

[johnny412]

What do you guys think of 40mg of epistane for 6 weeks vs 60mg of var for 8 weeks regarding a lean bulk along side testosterone. Is epistane more harsh on blood work vs var? Just curious to how they both would compare. I know there are a bunch of threads on this already lol.

epistane is super harsh

 

[liftallday123]

epistane is super harsh

I have both on hand. I love epistane but am hesitant due to the health risks compared to some other options. It’s been about ten years since I used epi. So anavar would produce better blood work in your personal opinion vs epistane. I do understand everyone respond differently.

 

[bell1986]

I promise you your joints don’t want any part of that now, 10 years later. I’m dead serious. Not unless you’re stacking it with deca or trestolone.

Did it hammer your joints badly? It done the exact same with me. Crunchy squats.

I'm not sure why it causes creaky joints? It's not the estrogen lowering causing it. My estrogen was in a good range when I was getting bad joints.

Maybe it affects cortisol levels?

It did destroy my shbg levels. Not sure if this is connected?

Did you end up with an injury due to this?

 

[sinewave3]

I promise you your joints don’t want any part of that now, 10 years later. I’m dead serious. Not unless you’re stacking it with deca or trestolone.

100%

I felt great first 2-3 weeks of Epistane, strong, dry, alpha AF, but then the joint pain kicked in… had to abort the cycle and sold the rest.

 

[Hyde]

I have both on hand. I love epistane but am hesitant due to the health risks compared to some other options. It’s been about ten years since I used epi. So anavar would produce better blood work in your personal opinion vs epistane. I do understand everyone respond differently.

Epistane will likely produce worse bloodwork. It will definitely have more side effects. 60mg is the dose I realized the greatest gains on, but it’s not a free ride.

Did it hammer your joints badly? It done the exact same with me. Crunchy squats.

I'm not sure why it causes creaky joints? It's not the estrogen lowering causing it. My estrogen was in a good range when I was getting bad joints.

Maybe it affects cortisol levels?

It did destroy my shbg levels. Not sure if this is connected?

Did you end up with an injury due to this?

No, I was smart enough to discontinue use before going to competition. I was getting virtually no squat training in because it was absolutely killing my knees - like you, I did have sufficient estrogen levels for sure. I was eating a gram of 4dhea per day concurrently.