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    Quote Originally Posted by panther77 View Post
    would it be better to run ap apart from pslin or to run them together? they appear to be somewhat of the same product just in different dosings and uses
    What is your primary goal panther? Performance, or aesthetics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    It may extend the elimination half-life of the compounds, but it would not necessarily extend and/or enhance the capabilities of said compounds. Some of the energy expenditure mechanisms AP modulates are rate-limited by several factors; the phosphorylation of glucose, for example. Therefore glucose uptake in skeletal muscle may not necessarily be increased by increasing the product half-life.

    In terms of FA oxidation and lipolysis however, extending the half-life may exert more tangential effects by further decreasing transcriptional control over key lipogenic enzymes. Or, in way simpler terms, the antilipogenic effects of AP are not as rate-limited as the glucose uptake, and therefore extending the half-life may help further attenuate adipose synthesis, accumulation, and hypertrophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoy12 View Post
    Very much appreciated! Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    it is a potent anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial agent, and prevents the gross accumulation and hypertrophy of lipids.
    Potent anti-inflammatory? What effect would that have in using X Factor in conjunction with AP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    Potent anti-inflammatory? What effect would that have in using X Factor in conjunction with AP?
    When I researched AA's and Phellodendron's contraindications, it didn't seem they were mitigating the same pathways. Play on BC!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    Potent anti-inflammatory? What effect would that have in using X Factor in conjunction with AP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10;
    Using them together right now! Having great results
    Makes sense. Anabolic Pump is unlikely to interfere with the three key expressions of the arachidonic-acid inflammatory pathway: cyclooxygenase-1 (COX-1), cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2), and 5-lipooxygenase (5-LOX).
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Makes sense. Anabolic Pump is unlikely to interfere with the three key expressions of the arachidonic-acid inflammatory pathway: cyclooxygenase-1 (COX-1), cyclooxygenase-2, and 5-lipooxygenase.
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    what does your meal plan consist of on AP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    What is your primary goal panther? Performance, or aesthetics?
    haha well you know... the usual... i just want everything all at once

    jk,but at this point pry goin a lil more towards the aesthetics side of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by panther77 View Post
    haha well you know... the usual... i just want everything all at once

    jk,but at this point pry goin a lil more towards the aesthetics side of it
    Haha, don't we all ?! I want to cut more, but then again, I want to get stronger and gain some muscle . . can't I have the whole tri-fecta ?!

    - I'm damn happy I picked up two bottles of AP after reading this thread along with most other AP-covering thread on this board. Feedback is primarily very positive.
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    mulletsoldier i saw somewhere where you recommended the ap week 1-2/ ap and pslin 3-4/pslin 5-6/ ap and psolin 7-8... what kind of goals would that be most suited for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by panther77 View Post
    mulletsoldier i saw somewhere where you recommended the ap week 1-2/ ap and pslin 3-4/pslin 5-6/ ap and psolin 7-8... what kind of goals would that be most suited for?
    That was more or less to prevent tolerance build-up, as there is only one mutually inclusive ingredient between the two. If I recall correctly, that particular suggestion was made to a member in the light of continually using each supplements.

    In short form, Anabolic Pump is far more suited for continual and gradual aesthetic improvement due to its potent anti-lipogenic activity, combined with fundamental AMPk mitigated MGU (muscle glucose uptake). The attenuation of lipid biosynthesis, accumulation and hypertrophy, coupled with muscle cell specific glucose uptake stimulation creates the perfect storm for tissue recomposition.

    On the other hand, P-Slin is a product created for acute and severe MGU to stimulate performance and recovery. While it can be used for aesthetic purposes, it does not mitigate AMPk, and therefore does not greatly increase mitochondrial use of FAs (well, once they're broken down to glycerols), and does not affect lipogenic transcription factors; in other words, it does not directly control the body's ability to synthesize and metabolize stored lipids.

    They both are very potent, very effective, and when used in conjunction (my favorite) can produce some amazing results in both respects!
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    today i took my anabolic pump right before a customer came in at 445... preparing to have some pasta at 5... that customer left around 5 so i go back to eat my pasta and in comes a lady that comes in evey few weeks and asks the same question about fat burners and never buys anything, she asks the differences between each fat burner and wants to know feedback on every one and goes from shelf to shelf just pointing and asking "and what about that one"
    i want to tell her to just get her fat self in the gym...
    so she is in there for 45 mins.. im dyin... finally leaves and the pasta didnt cut it for me, had to have a zeroimpact bar with it too... and still was tired the rest of my shift
    so you guys think the oats are better after ap? what about brown rice and lentils?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    today i took my anabolic pump right before a customer came in at 445... preparing to have some pasta at 5... that customer left around 5 so i go back to eat my pasta and in comes a lady that comes in evey few weeks and asks the same question about fat burners and never buys anything, she asks the differences between each fat burner and wants to know feedback on every one and goes from shelf to shelf just pointing and asking "and what about that one"
    i want to tell her to just get her fat self in the gym...
    so she is in there for 45 mins.. im dyin... finally leaves and the pasta didnt cut it for me, had to have a zeroimpact bar with it too... and still was tired the rest of my shift
    so you guys think the oats are better after ap? what about brown rice and lentils?

    Brown rice and lentils work....

    Reason we reccomend oatmeal is because of the slow nature of digestion and I like to blend in a shake before my workout. If you are eating healthy most of your carbohydrates SHOULD from healthy complex nutrient dense sources anyway.

    If you are eating refined foods with AP, you need to revamp the diet before supplementing. We are not asking for any one to change how they eat. They should already be eating in this manner and implementing AP is easy. Just take 15 minutes before eating..

    Not directing or assuming your diet is bad just a general statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    Brown rice and lentils work....

    Reason we reccomend oatmeal is because of the slow nature of digestion and I like to blend in a shake before my workout. If you are eating healthy most of your carbohydrates SHOULD from healthy complex nutrient dense sources anyway.

    If you are eating refined foods with AP, you need to revamp the diet before supplementing. We are not asking for any one to change how they eat. They should already be eating in this manner and implementing AP is easy. Just take 15 minutes before eating..

    Not directing or assuming your diet is bad just a general statement.
    thanks for the input man,
    i thought i had a fairly good diet up until 6 weeks ago when i finally wrote it all out and calced the cals.. barely 2000... so i upped it to about 2800-3000 and cleaned it up a bit and love the brown rice and lentil combo... normally use that wil AP and dont get tired and i do feel a little thicker... ran out of it today so i had pasta instead guess its time to go back to vons maybe pick up some more oatmeal and use it somewhere else besides breakfast since the brown rice/lentils are gettin a little old
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    what can u stack with anabolic pump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andreas View Post
    what can u stack with anabolic pump?
    Pretty much anything you feel like it. It's great for bulking, so throw in some test booster, creatine, anything like that along. It's also amazing for cutting, so go with your favorite stim, ap. supressor, cortisol blocker, thyroid stuff, etc.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is anything that could cause problems, unless it's on the same family like ALA or so, which would be almost like overdosing it? I think you can pretty much fit AP on any stack you have going on / planning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andreas View Post
    what can u stack with anabolic pump?
    When using Anabolic Pump for bulking and adding lean muscle mass, the approach I take is cell volumization. When you increase the volume of the cell, you increase protein synthesis. Furthermore, for every gram of carbohydrate stored in the muscles, approximately 3-4 g of water are also stored. Since Anabolic Pump super saturates your muscles with glucose and amino acids, you will get awesome cell volumization. I like to use other cell volumizers with Anabolic Pump such as:

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    Also make sure you drink 4-8 L of water per day and increase carbohydrates greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Pretty much anything you feel like it. It's great for bulking, so throw in some test booster, creatine, anything like that along. It's also amazing for cutting, so go with your favorite stim, ap. supressor, cortisol blocker, thyroid stuff, etc.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is anything that could cause problems, unless it's on the same family like ALA or so, which would be almost like overdosing it? I think you can pretty much fit AP on any stack you have going on / planning.
    Well ALA is an insulin potentiator and we say not to use Anabolic Pump and insulin potentiators at the same time as they may interfere with Anabolic Pump`s ability to block glucose uptake in fat cells. We recommend that there be an hour in between taking Anabolic Pump and insulin potentiators and there will be no issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    That was more or less to prevent tolerance build-up, as there is only one mutually inclusive ingredient between the two. If I recall correctly, that particular suggestion was made to a member in the light of continually using each supplements.

    In short form, Anabolic Pump is far more suited for continual and gradual aesthetic improvement due to its potent anti-lipogenic activity, combined with fundamental AMPk mitigated MGU (muscle glucose uptake). The attenuation of lipid biosynthesis, accumulation and hypertrophy, coupled with muscle cell specific glucose uptake stimulation creates the perfect storm for tissue recomposition.

    On the other hand, P-Slin is a product created for acute and severe MGU to stimulate performance and recovery. While it can be used for aesthetic purposes, it does not mitigate AMPk, and therefore does not greatly increase mitochondrial use of FAs (well, once they're broken down to glycerols), and does not affect lipogenic transcription factors; in other words, it does not directly control the body's ability to synthesize and metabolize stored lipids.

    They both are very potent, very effective, and when used in conjunction (my favorite) can produce some amazing results in both respects!
    alright man thanks a lot. gonna try the ap alone for now and see how it works out
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    Would your body to get used to the effects of AP once you have used it for a period of months and then 1) gradually lose its effectiveness over the three bottles? and 2) after you stop taking AP and resume your normal diet, would you store fat more easily?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jman3967 View Post
    Would your body to get used to the effects of AP once you have used it for a period of months and then 1) gradually lose its effectiveness over the three bottles? and 2) after you stop taking AP and resume your normal diet, would you store fat more easily?
    As none of the clinical trials using either Berberine or Corosolic Acid/Tannins Complexes were of that length, I can only answer from personal experience. On that note, I have currently been utilizing Anabolic Pump since October '07, and still see the attenuation of adipose hypertrophy and synthesis (fat gain), as well as prominent vascularity and 'Food Pump' effects. Take that for what it's worth, as I realize it probably wasn't what you were looking for.

    In terms of the second question, you would receded back to 'normal' glucose and lipid metabolism, yes. There is no rebound effect to worry about, you simply return back to a normal metabolism.
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    thanks, ive used two bottles over summer and have been very happy with results and wanted to continue with it. it seems like AP, besids the basics, is a supplement everyone should give a go

    do you think there is a specific type of supplement that would stack best with AP? i.e. test booster, creatine, x factor, ghrp etc... i would think a test booster might be best because you could take full advantage of you increased test with more nutrients comming in while still loosing bf? ...jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jman3967 View Post
    do you think there is a specific type of supplement that would stack best with AP? i.e. test booster, creatine, x factor, ghrp etc... i would think a test booster might be best because you could take full advantage of you increased test with more nutrients comming in while still loosing bf? ...jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jman3967 View Post
    thanks, ive used two bottles over summer and have been very happy with results and wanted to continue with it. it seems like AP, besids the basics, is a supplement everyone should give a go

    do you think there is a specific type of supplement that would stack best with AP? i.e. test booster, creatine, x factor, ghrp etc... i would think a test booster might be best because you could take full advantage of you increased test with more nutrients comming in while still loosing bf? ...jmo
    I think creatine is the best to stack with Anabolic Pump because they are both potent cell volumizers and both give good pumps. Furthermore, creatine is the most tested and proven supplement.
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    I have a quick question for anyone who knows the answer...

    I'm trying to cut right now while preserving (or gaining) muscle. So naturally I decided to go with an AP/Recreate stack. I have heard rave reviews about these products individually and even better while they are stacked. The only thing I hear negatively (in my opinion) about the Recreate is in the energy and appetite suppressant categories. Now, I've been an ephedrine/stimulant junkie for a while now, and because I don't get much sleep, I rely on my stims to get me through my work day alert and focused. Is it a problem to take a low dose of ephedrine or hydroxycut in the mornings with these USP products? I just don't want to hurt my stack progress or my body.

    Other supps i take in case it matters or you have any advice include:
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyDraven View Post
    I have a quick question for anyone who knows the answer...

    I'm trying to cut right now while preserving (or gaining) muscle. So naturally I decided to go with an AP/Recreate stack. I have heard rave reviews about these products individually and even better while they are stacked. The only thing I hear negatively (in my opinion) about the Recreate is in the energy and appetite suppressant categories. Now, I've been an ephedrine/stimulant junkie for a while now, and because I don't get much sleep, I rely on my stims to get me through my work day alert and focused. Is it a problem to take a low dose of ephedrine or hydroxycut in the mornings with these USP products? I just don't want to hurt my stack progress or my body.

    Other supps i take in case it matters or you have any advice include:
    -Fish Oil
    -Flax Seed Oil
    -Multi-Vitamin
    -Creatine (I have both ethel-ester and Pre-Alkalyn 1500. Which should I be using?)
    -Protein Shakes
    -BCAA's (approx 20g/day)
    -3300 Elite (hi-healths version of Nitrix by BSN)
    SD,

    Many of the complaints from ReCreate, ironically, stem from users who have used the more stimulant-based ECA stack. I say ironic, as such a stack, while effective, is often counterproductive in the context of fat loss. Sleep is the greatest aid to both muscle preservation and fat loss - beyond what any supplement may contribute. Keeping that in mind, we deliberately designed ReCreate to supersede these adverse effects. In my opinion, I would avoid the EC/Hydroxycut, and enjoy the undisturbed sleep one may attain with ReCreate.

    In terms of focus and energy, ReCreate provides clean sustainable energy via endogenous beta-2 agonism. Rather than synthetically stimulate adrenergic (energy) receptors, ReCreate increases levels of the master adrenergic hormone and neurotransmitter - Norepinephrine. This produces very clean, very sustainable energy without the crash which comes adjacent with most fat-burners.

    Further, ReCreate increases levels of the active T3, and promotes conversion of the somewhat inactive T4. This obviously produces affect on nutrient metabolism, but significantly contributes to stable energy levels as well. I think if you were to cut out the more 'hardcore stimulants' for some time, you would actually realize your need for them was born out of adrenergic fatigue!

    This all creates a confluent effect on fat loss - both direct stimulation of lipolysis (fat loss) via the above mentioned mechanisms, but also by utilizing the body's already VERY potent fat loss mechanisms. Some may not realize it, but your body liberates stored triglycerides into Fatty Acids during the night. It is known as nightime lipolysis. Without adequate levels of sleep, this process is perturbed, and you miss out on all that fat loss! I guarantee you: Lay off the stimulants for awhile, and you will NOT be disappointed with ReCreate.
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    Mullet,

    Thanks for such a thorough response. And I appreciate you dumbing it down for me. I've seen you get crazy with the scientific terms and I would swear you were speaking another language. I will follow your advice. Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyDraven View Post
    Mullet,

    Thanks for such a thorough response. And I appreciate you dumbing it down for me. I've seen you get crazy with the scientific terms and I would swear you were speaking another language. I will follow your advice. Thanks again!
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    mullet your are the einstein of AM hah... the only 'stimulant' that i havent seen any negative sides from is green tea extact. it has a wealth of benefits including its natural caffeine. take ~500mg(find out what works for you) before your workout and youll be good to go. for me personaly i can even take it before my workouts at night and sleep great, everyone is different though
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    Is anybody using anabolic pump just once a day? What do you think?
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    Mullet or Jacob. I know people talk'd about it but has anyone used a blood glucose meter with AP? If not I'll be doing some experiments next week and would throw this into the mix. I just got me a blood glucose meter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Mullet or Jacob. I know people talk'd about it but has anyone used a blood glucose meter with AP? If not I'll be doing some experiments next week and would throw this into the mix. I just got me a blood glucose meter
    I will be doing the same thing soon.
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    i have two opened bottles of ap both half full or more. tryin to get them off my hands..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jman3967 View Post
    mullet your are the einstein of AM hah... the only 'stimulant' that i havent seen any negative sides from is green tea extact. it has a wealth of benefits including its natural caffeine. take ~500mg(find out what works for you) before your workout and youll be good to go. for me personaly i can even take it before my workouts at night and sleep great, everyone is different though
    I don't know about that.

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    Just out of curiosity, why would you have opened two different bottles before finishing one? How many caps are we talking total?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Mullet or Jacob. I know people talk'd about it but has anyone used a blood glucose meter with AP? If not I'll be doing some experiments next week and would throw this into the mix. I just got me a blood glucose meter
    Somebody had, but I cannot recall ATM. I know EasyEJL used Ketostix and related that he remained in Ketosis while using AP + carbohydrates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Mullet or Jacob. I know people talk'd about it but has anyone used a blood glucose meter with AP? If not I'll be doing some experiments next week and would throw this into the mix. I just got me a blood glucose meter
    I really do not see blood glucose changing over the norm in a healthy adult. We are becoming more efficient in storing glucose in muscle cells not storing more of it in general(Liver, muscle, and fat cells).

    But if you have current problems with elevated Glucose, AP will lower it without a doubt in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs View Post
    I really do not see blood glucose changing over the norm in a healthy adult. We are becoming more efficient in storing glucose in muscle cells not storing more of it in general(Liver, muscle, and fat cells).

    But if you have current problems with elevated Glucose, AP will lower it without a doubt in my mind.
    I dont think I do. I just have used anabolic pump many times in the past and love it and was just wondering if anyone has done this.

    I will try it with various foods for a few days then do the same test with anabolic pump implemented. Should be interesting. I'll try and video tape them so if the use of AP keeps them lowered vs. normal foods the haters can't hate.
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