Anabolic Pump I love you....

[bolt10]

Ya that was very very very uncalled for.

 

[Guest]

Relax you ****ing dickhead, You responded 3 times and your a boot licking board rep. It was a generalization. I,m not saying it causes diabetes specifically but It could have unwanted?unknown/hidden side effects. I've been using supplements damn near 20 years you ****. In my experience the better something works the more harmful it is most times. No matter what the suck pump company boy salesman like you say. What do you think everything in the supplement business is rosy, everything works as promised and nothing bad ever happened to anyone? I'm not one of your teenage fan base that believes your endless lines of bullshit so the next time you have something to say to me don't. Otherwise I'll hunt you down and kill you....

Dickhead,

Response below is when you log in under another name.

20 years, no come on, really...hope not and if so, wisdom passed you by, and you followed the road of generalities. You should take a class in clarification.

1. You had no idea the supplement worked independent of insulin. Insulin is not involved in the equation.
2. You responded with the loony diabetic comment.

I will have to say my younger consumer base is far more intelligent supplement wise.

You may be a great mechanic (Or snipper), but your supplement knowledge is infant.

 

[Urban Monk]

wow

 

[Guest]

. Not to mention dropping threats to kill someone! Outrageous!

Man that would be a sad day...no more AP for anyone.

 

[jakellpet]

Man that would be a sad day...no more AP for anyone.

Do not speak the unspeakable!

 

[Craigmatthew]

Wow, that was an intense read! Back to Prime now?

 

[SimplyDraven]

I would venture to say that if xfiles caused no more AP for anyone, there may even be a few threats on his own life. LoL

Disclaimer: I am not in any way, shape, or form threatening the well being of our dear friend xfiles....yet.

 

[jman3967]

lol....anyway..... how does anabolic pump line up against vanadyl sulfate? i know VS mimics insulin and AP has no relation to insulin but im just looking for more clarification/specifics as to how the compare and contrast

 

[dexterium]

lol....anyway..... how does anabolic pump line up against vanadyl sulfate? i know VS mimics insulin and AP has no relation to insulin but im just looking for more clarification/specifics as to how the compare and contrast

Anabolic Pump increases GLUT4 in muscles and suppresses GLUT4 in fat cells. Therefore, you can gain muscle and lose fat with Anabolic Pump. They are very different from one another but Anabolic Pump is obviously much better than vanadyl sulfate. Vanadyl sulfate has also shown to be dangerous.

 

[dafox]

Response below is when you log in under another name.

20 years, no come on, really...hope not and if so, wisdom passed you by, and you followed the road of generalities. You should take a class in clarification.

1. You had no idea the supplement worked independent of insulin. Insulin is not involved in the equation.
2. You responded with the loony diabetic comment.

I will have to say my younger consumer base is far more intelligent supplement wise.

You may be a great mechanic (Or snipper), but your supplement knowledge is infant.

:goodpost: :clap2: I think that you just put him in his place :thumbsup:
wow man, that guy... :think: yeah, how stupid.

 

[MrBrightside]

...I'm not one of your teenage fan base that believes your endless lines of bullshit...

Well, this is directly aimed at my demographic, and I'd have to say AP isn't "an endless line of bullshit at all". It's kept me leaner than ever before even while on a clean bulk, with way more peanut butter and calories I'd consumed before getting AP. I'd wager a drop of 1%-2% bodyfat, with some strength increases. This upside is not solely contributed by AP, but with a conjunction of AP, Drive, and ALCAR.

In addition, the post was just hilarious. It all of the sudden escalated to hunting down and killing a rep for defending his product. :toofunny:

 

[jman3967]

Anabolic Pump increases GLUT4 in muscles and suppresses GLUT4 in fat cells. Therefore, you can gain muscle and lose fat with Anabolic Pump. They are very different from one another but Anabolic Pump is obviously much better than vanadyl sulfate. Vanadyl sulfate has also shown to be dangerous.

ya i agree with you, ap is one of the best supplements ive used. i guess my main question though is how VS actually works, theres not a lot of recent articles on it. i know it can be toxic at above something like 50mg or so a day for several weeks but could it be useful to stack with a reduced dose of AP and take VS with your pw meal? im in college which means im back on a budget so im tryin to balance cost with effectiveness.

...sorry i know how much fun you must be having rippin on xfiles lol

 

[strategicmove]

ya i agree with you, ap is one of the best supplements ive used. i guess my main question though is how VS actually works, theres not a lot of recent articles on it. i know it can be toxic at above something like 50mg or so a day for several weeks but could it be useful to stack with a reduced dose of AP and take VS with your pw meal? im in college which means im back on a budget so im tryin to balance cost with effectiveness...

As you already stated, vanadyl sulfate (VS) is an insulin mimic (improves or mimics the action of insulin). VS is more precisely, a significantly more biologically available form of vanadium that improves tissue insulin sensitivity, and has been used for treating non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM). Yet, vanadium and vanadyl sulfate should be used with care, to avoid toxicity issues. As far as I recall, there is no consensus on the exact non-toxic dosage. A range of 20mg - 100mg of vanadyl sulfate daily has been suggested by some, while others have suggested 7.5mg vanadyl sulfate (= 1.5mg vanadium) every other day!, to reflect equivalent toxicity levels in animal studies. So, if you wish to try vanadyl sulfate, one could suggest 7.5mg (= 1.5mg vanadium) on days you do not take Anabolic Pump. I frankly would be wary of combining VS and AP simultaneously.

 

[ManInTheBox]

before using anabolic pump i played around with carb cycling and had great results...now i get anywhere from 400 to 450 carbs a day and still staying lean and vascular...i LOVE this product..it's a product that i was VERY skeptical about....but until you try it will you not understand what this will do for you.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

....but until you try it will you not understand what this will do for you.

I hate 'pushing' product, but that statement is as accurate as they come, IMHO.

 

[CINCYKID]

slin trol I have fond to be just as effective and is 11 bucks.

 

[jakellpet]

I hate 'pushing' product, but that statement is as accurate as they come, IMHO.

...if I may add requires a little patience and some experimentation to get optimal results.:thumbsup:

 

[BigCasino]

slin trol I have fond to be just as effective and is 11 bucks.

Looks like it is just Chromium polynicotinate and Vanadyl Sulfate? All the stuff people have been saying about VS above would then apply to 1/2 of this products active ingredients. Not sure about the Chromium poly. USP or Mullet care to offer any words on that?

For those interested on reading about it, http://www.nattynutrition.com/Slin-Trol.html

 

[CINCYKID]

Looks like it is just Chromium polynicotinate and Vanadyl Sulfate? All the stuff people have been saying about VS above would then apply to 1/2 of this products active ingredients. Not sure about the Chromium poly. USP or Mullet care to offer any words on that?

For those interested on reading about it, http://www.nattynutrition.com/Slin-Trol.html

Chromium Polynicotinate increases insulin’s uptake effect on the cell, allowing more efficient nutrient, amino acid and glucose uptake thus allowing the body to do the same job with less insulin secretion to lower blood glucose levels.

 

[CINCYKID]

Chromium Polynicotinate increases insulin’s uptake effect on the cell, allowing more efficient nutrient, amino acid and glucose uptake thus allowing the body to do the same job with less insulin secretion to lower blood glucose levels.

Here's how I see it. Insulin is the DEATH hormone and I think we can all agree on that. It has the ability to cause inflamation to almost every cell in the human body. It can induce disease and sickness. By damaging cells it will SHORTEN your lifespan. There are many who believe that a restricted caloric diet will increase ones lifespan. It is because of the fact that insulin is supressed at a higher level throughout ones life. We know that insulin is needed as the storage hormone but we also know that insulin ONLY enters the fat cell at a high enough threshold and will ONLY enter the muscle cell if the threshold is low enough. Taking all of this into consideration it is obvious that in order to keep insulin at a minimum we must keep carbs at a minimum. AGREED? However keeping carbs at a minimum is the one sure way to STOP any and all progress not to mention constant depletion. This is why I'm so passionate about CERTAIN GDA's or insulin mimickers as some say. Specifically niacin bound chromium and the sulfate form of vanadium. Chromium has the ability to make the insulin your body releases much more effective which in return allows the body to release less and remove the same amount of blood sugar or more at a much lower threshold. Vanadyl sulfate has an amazing ability to remove blood sugar on its own without any insulin present. Now the body needs even less insulin to do the same exact job at a much more efficient rate also doing all this at a much lower insulin threshold. I use the lowest amounts recomended per meal and at 4 a day. I use 200 mcg Chromium polynicotinate and 10 mgs Vanadyl sulfate at meal 1,2,4 and 6. I take them anywhere from first bite to last bite. I find that they are so effective that if taken PRIOR to a meal they actually inhibit insulin release to the point where carb storage is actually hindered. Obviously they are most effective with high GI foods due to the fact they cause insulin to release at a higher threshold thus causing fat storage. As I've said before I've also done numerous blood tests with and without using every GI food possible and have lower readings with them, which is ALL the proof I need to know I am lowering my insulin threshold. Besides the fact I'm able to exceed the glycogen levels in my muscle far beyond those who use anabolics even. That alone was the proof before I went out and started pricking my finger 30 times a day. NO bullshit! 5 per meal and 6 meals a day. Did this for over 2 weeks!!!
__________________

 

[dexterium]

Anabolic Pump is much more effective than Slin-trol. Anabolic Pump increases GLUT4 in muscle cells and suppresses GLUT4 in fat cells. This causes your muscles to be super saturated with glucose and amino acids (this increases cell volumization which increases protein synthesis) and inhibits glucose uptake in fat cells. The bottom line is that with Anabolic Pump you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Slin-trol does not do this.

 

[CINCYKID]

Anabolic Pump is much more effective than Slin-trol. Anabolic Pump increases GLUT4 in muscle cells and suppresses GLUT4 in fat cells. This causes your muscles to be super saturated with glucose and amino acids (this increases cell volumization which increases protein synthesis) and inhibits glucose uptake in fat cells. The bottom line is that with Anabolic Pump you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Slin-trol does not do this.

LOL it does the exact same thing bro. Glut 4 is squestered in the absence of insulin. Hence filling the muscle with more nutrients and shuttling them from the fat cell. Same thing. Hence gain muscle and loosing fat.

 

[CINCYKID]

Buy a meter at the pharmacy. Buy both products and check the readings. Needless to say you can save like fifty bucks a month. You are paying for their advertising lol. If you go to muscular development I have a thread on my transformation and all of my diets posted. AP is no magic pill by anymeans. I dont care what science or research says as it might not work for me. I have to try things myself to say they work or not.

 

[Guest]

LOL it does the exact same thing bro. Glut 4 is squestered in the absence of insulin.

Why would you "LOL" when you are incorrect...kills your credibility.

Not true, exercise translocates GLUT4 without the presence of insulin.

Anabolic Pump Tranlocates GLUT4 without the presence of Insulin.

Slindrol does not nor is it specific to muscle cells.

 

[strategicmove]

...You are paying for their advertising lol. If you go to muscular development I have a thread on my transformation and all of my diets posted.

There are tonnes of positive feedback on Anabolic Pump's effectiveness, and the demand for it remains high, especially from repeat buyers. Take a look at NutraPlanet.com. No one is paying for advertising. I am sure you are conversant with the pharmacological pathways of Lagerstroemia Speciosa (Banaba Extract), just one of the ingredients in Anabolic Pump. The concentration of the active agent, corosolic acid, found in Anabolic Pump, plus the specific extraction for tannins, makes it a unique product. Users know they are paying for the potency and effectiveness of the product, not advertising. The advertising comes mostly from enthusiastic users, and that is for free!

If Anabolic Pump were not effective, then the following maxim would hold: You can fool all of the people some of the time; you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Considering Anabolic Pump's loyal followership, no one is being fooled! The product works!

Something else. There are a lot of clinical trials to prove corosolic acid's effectiveness, and the concentration of the agent in Anabolic Pump is without question high enough to match the results from those clinicals. Corosolic acid works at the right dosage. You would notice that most of the insulin mimickers such as Vanadyl Sulfate, Chromium, Alpha Lipoic Acid, 4-Hydroxy-Isoleucine, Cinnamon, and so on, are usually combined in a formula to have a chance to perturb insulin synthesis. Corosolic acid (and Anabolic Pump contains more than just corosolic acid) works independent of insulin, and is very effective standalone! You take less compounds to get the same or better results, independent of insulin (you do not risk any dysfunction in insulin synthesis)!

AP is no magic pill by anymeans. I dont care what science or research says as it might not work for me.

This is an odd comment for someone that briefly discussed the workings of vanadyl sulfate (VS) and chromium polynicotinate (CN). You certainly care about the science of VS and CP, so why are you averse to understanding the science behind AP? :think:

I have to try things myself to say they work or not.

Exactly! Correct me, if I am wrong, but I presume you have not tried Anabolic Pump before. Perhaps you should, so you can figure out whether it works for you or not before you dismiss it as raw advertising.

 

[jakellpet]

Let's put it as the great, late Bob Marley:

...you can fool some people some time, but ya can'ta fool all da people alla da time, so know you seen da light, gotta stand up for ya rights, Jah!

:rofl:

 

[Rhys26]

I am on my second week of AP and have definitely noticed a bit of a pump Hopefully the effects dont wear off!

 

[jakellpet]

I am on my second week of AP and have definitely noticed a bit of a pump Hopefully the effects dont wear off!

How's your dosing going Rhys? You up to 3 a day yet?

After 6 months I still get that muscle hardness - especially in in quads and biceps for some reason.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Here's how I see it. Insulin is the DEATH hormone and I think we can all agree on that. It has the ability to cause inflamation to almost every cell in the human body. It can induce disease and sickness. By damaging cells it will SHORTEN your lifespan. There are many who believe that a restricted caloric diet will increase ones lifespan. It is because of the fact that insulin is supressed at a higher level throughout ones life. We know that insulin is needed as the storage hormone but we also know that insulin ONLY enters the fat cell at a high enough threshold and will ONLY enter the muscle cell if the threshold is low enough. Taking all of this into consideration it is obvious that in order to keep insulin at a minimum we must keep carbs at a minimum. AGREED? However keeping carbs at a minimum is the one sure way to STOP any and all progress not to mention constant depletion. This is why I'm so passionate about CERTAIN GDA's or insulin mimickers as some say. Specifically niacin bound chromium and the sulfate form of vanadium. Chromium has the ability to make the insulin your body releases much more effective which in return allows the body to release less and remove the same amount of blood sugar or more at a much lower threshold. Vanadyl sulfate has an amazing ability to remove blood sugar on its own without any insulin present. Now the body needs even less insulin to do the same exact job at a much more efficient rate also doing all this at a much lower insulin threshold. I use the lowest amounts recomended per meal and at 4 a day. I use 200 mcg Chromium polynicotinate and 10 mgs Vanadyl sulfate at meal 1,2,4 and 6. I take them anywhere from first bite to last bite. I find that they are so effective that if taken PRIOR to a meal they actually inhibit insulin release to the point where carb storage is actually hindered. Obviously they are most effective with high GI foods due to the fact they cause insulin to release at a higher threshold thus causing fat storage. As I've said before I've also done numerous blood tests with and without using every GI food possible and have lower readings with them, which is ALL the proof I need to know I am lowering my insulin threshold. Besides the fact I'm able to exceed the glycogen levels in my muscle far beyond those who use anabolics even. That alone was the proof before I went out and started pricking my finger 30 times a day. NO bullshit! 5 per meal and 6 meals a day. Did this for over 2 weeks!!!
__________________

Good ol' VS. This is not much of a comparison, IMO.

 

[Rhys26]

How's your dosing going Rhys? You up to 3 a day yet?

After 6 months I still get that muscle hardness - especially in in quads and biceps for some reason.

Yeah up 2 3 a day now at probably around 40g carbs before AP. Going to increase again next week. My arms feel a bit pumped during the day which is good Hope the effects dont wear off anytime soon.

 

[CINCYKID]

There are tonnes of positive feedback on Anabolic Pump's effectiveness, and the demand for it remains high, especially from repeat buyers. Take a look at NutraPlanet.com. No one is paying for advertising. I am sure you are conversant with the pharmacological pathways of Lagerstroemia Speciosa (Banaba Extract), just one of the ingredients in Anabolic Pump. The concentration of the active agent, corosolic acid, found in Anabolic Pump, plus the specific extraction for tannins, makes it a unique product. Users know they are paying for the potency and effectiveness of the product, not advertising. The advertising comes mostly from enthusiastic users, and that is for free!

If Anabolic Pump were not effective, then the following maxim would hold: You can fool all of the people some of the time; you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Considering Anabolic Pump's loyal followership, no one is being fooled! The product works!

Something else. There are a lot of clinical trials to prove corosolic acid's effectiveness, and the concentration of the agent in Anabolic Pump is without question high enough to match the results from those clinicals. Corosolic acid works at the right dosage. You would notice that most of the insulin mimickers such as Vanadyl Sulfate, Chromium, Alpha Lipoic Acid, 4-Hydroxy-Isoleucine, Cinnamon, and so on, are usually combined in a formula to have a chance to perturb insulin synthesis. Corosolic acid (and Anabolic Pump contains more than just corosolic acid) works independent of insulin, and is very effective standalone! You take less compounds to get the same or better results, independent of insulin (you do not risk any dysfunction in insulin synthesis)!



This is an odd comment for someone that briefly discussed the workings of vanadyl sulfate (VS) and chromium polynicotinate (CN). You certainly care about the science of VS and CP, so why are you averse to understanding the science behind AP? :think:



Exactly! Correct me, if I am wrong, but I presume you have not tried Anabolic Pump before. Perhaps you should, so you can figure out whether it works for you or not before you dismiss it as raw advertising.

Use to use it and simply stating that I got the same effects from both products. I am not going to put up a argument here. I was simply stating that I found a product that does the same thing for a cheaper price.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Use to use it and simply stating that I got the same effects from both products. I am not going to put up a argument here. I was simply stating that I found a product that does the same thing for a cheaper price.

Well, I believe Strategicmove was clarifying that they do not work in the same manner.

 

[CINCYKID]

Why would you "LOL" when you are incorrect...kills your credibility.

Not true, exercise translocates GLUT4 without the presence of insulin.

Anabolic Pump Tranlocates GLUT4 without the presence of Insulin.

Slindrol does not nor is it specific to muscle cells.

I simply stated I found another cheaper product. Are you saying that slin trol does not fill the muscle cell with more nutrients than humanly possible? Are you stating that it does not shuttle carbs away from the fat cell? This is a message board right. Simply giving people another thing to try. I did and it worked for me.

 

[CINCYKID]

But the end results are the same. Eat more carbs while dieting buling muscle and sheding fat.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

But the end results are the same. Eat more carbs while dieting buling muscle and sheding fat.

Not necessarily. AP's method of action is much more complex than simply glucose metabolism; especially in respects to Insulin-Dependent methods of glucose metabolism. As I said, the end result is not the same, and they do not work in a corollary manner.

 

[CINCYKID]

Not necessarily. AP's method of action is much more complex than simply glucose metabolism; especially in respects to Insulin-Dependent methods of glucose metabolism. As I said, the end result is not the same, and they do not work in a corollary manner.

OK bro. You don't need to keep defending yourself. I simply stated something else worked and people started coming out of the woodwork saying it doesn't work only AP works and stuff like that. More than one way to skin a cat. Simply throwing another product that is not jusk and is comparable to yours for people who may not be able to afford the heafty price tag.

 

[dafox]

wow, reading through this thread, I'm just like :think:
lol, I have yet to try AP. I probably will soon, but I have to keep my spending down -->college.

 

[Guest]

Are you stating that it does not shuttle carbs away from the fat cell? .

Yes.

 

[Guest]

OK bro. You don't need to keep defending yourself. I simply stated something else worked and people started coming out of the woodwork saying it doesn't work only AP works and stuff like that. More than one way to skin a cat. Simply throwing another product that is not jusk and is comparable to yours for people who may not be able to afford the heafty price tag.

Wrong, we just stated that the MOA is totally different. I urge people to compare and would never attack another product, but you are stating fallacies of comparison that is all.

 

[jpatt]

Just ordered my Anabolic Pump and Recreate. I'm psyched to see how well it works.

 

[borobulker]

Just ordered my Anabolic Pump and Recreate. I'm psyched to see how well it works.

You will be impressed. I promise.

 

[CINCYKID]

Wrong, we just stated that the MOA is totally different. I urge people to compare and would never attack another product, but you are stating fallacies of comparison that is all.

Have you ever done any blood glucose tests with any GDA'S. I have. 5 tests per meal. With and without my GDA program. I have glucose measurements as high as 210 1/2 hour after meal without GDA'S. I have never seen a reading higher than 160 with them! I believe in self experimentation. The proof is in the pudding and my glucometer is the pudding. While all you guys keep posting studies I'm doing my own tests on my personal response to foods which is what you guys should be doing. In fact I believe any bodybuilder that doesnt use a glucose meter is not worth discussing this topic with which is why I no longer desire to .

 

[CINCYKID]

Forgot to mention I forget the part that I badmouthed the AP product either. Hm still trying to remember that one.

 

[jman3967]

im doing timed carb dieting right now...when/how many pills of ap should i take? right now im only eating two meals with carbs and thats pre and post w.o. in the morning

 

[Mulletsoldier]

im doing timed carb dieting right now...when/how many pills of ap should i take? right now im only eating two meals with carbs and thats pre and post w.o. in the morning

I would begin with two at those meals.

 

[jman3967]

you think i could get away with 1? (trying to make the bottle last as long as possible) ap's half life is 4-6 and my pre and post meals are about 4 hours apart.

slightly of topic but what are some good non carb foods to eat...right now im living of nuts, egg beaters, chicken, veggies, and apples and im sick of eating the same sh1t everyday

 

[dexterium]

you think i could get away with 1? (trying to make the bottle last as long as possible) ap's half life is 4-6 and my pre and post meals are about 4 hours apart.

slightly of topic but what are some good non carb foods to eat...right now im living of nuts, egg beaters, chicken, veggies, and apples and im sick of eating the same sh1t everyday

I think you could get away with 1.

Foods:

-Egg whites
-Steak
-Lean Beef
-Turkey
-Chicken
-Lamb
-Whole Eggs
-Whey Protein
-Casein Protein
-Salmon
-Tuna
-Haddock
-Lean Beef
-Lean Hamburger
-Crab meat
-Lobster
-Shrimp
-Cod
-All other types of fish, pretty much
-Buffalo
-Deer
-Moose
-Raw Unblanched Almonds
-Almond Butter
-All Natural Peanut Butter
-Avocados

 

[borobulker]

Very good, comprehensive list Dex...

I will post mine as well for some backup

Protein List
Lean Ground Beef
Top Cut Beef
Chicken Breast
Turkey Breast
Egg Whites
Fish
Protein Drinks (many varieties)
Kangaroo Meat smuggled to the U.S. by jakellpet

Carb List
brown rice
potatoes
oats
yams
Plain or lightly salted rice cakes
white rice
sugar free quaker oat packets
'weight smart' quaker oat packets
ezekiel bread

You can use the popcorn rice cakes too, as long as they're 7g of carbs per cake and no fat.

Fat List
borage oil
evening primrose oil
fish oil
cashews
almonds
natural peanut butter
almond butter
macadamia nut butter
olive oil

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Very good, comprehensive list Dex...

I will post mine as well for some backup

Protein List
Lean Ground Beef
Top Cut Beef
Chicken Breast
Turkey Breast
Egg Whites
Fish
Protein Drinks (many varieties)
Kangaroo Meat smuggled to the U.S. by jakellpet

Carb List
brown rice
potatoes
oats
yams
Plain or lightly salted rice cakes
white rice
sugar free quaker oat packets
'weight smart' quaker oat packets
ezekiel bread

You can use the popcorn rice cakes too, as long as they're 7g of carbs per cake and no fat.

Fat List
borage oil
evening primrose oil
fish oil
cashews
almonds
natural peanut butter
almond butter
macadamia nut butter
olive oil

You both are fired; you two forgot Mullet Semen under protein list. Tisk, tisk! And I thought I had taught you so well!

 

[ari4216]

why are there so many post about anabolic pump. I'm afraid to try it. Iv'e never tryed anything from usp labs. Does us labs give samples. I totally trust companies that give samples out more.
It shows that they have a trust in the product there selling

on a side note is it me or is usp labs very active on this site?