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  1. supplement companies making more and more **** based on pseudoscience


    first i was going to post this in the olympus section but decided to post it here. also predator sells a nootropic that is basically dangerous neurotoxic poison that could kill you and useless products like erase pro are pushed while the few good companies get little attention. i mentioned below, myokems alphadex being the best supp i have ever seen (except what i can make, but as an AI/SERM, i would not have been able to do any better. it is perfect)

    so this was what i posted:

    your hormones are good but besides that you have lost it. 5 stims (drugs in fact, no matter the name) in a pre, 2g of carbs with chromium for anabolism. i know there is "studies". those are clearly manipulated or bs or whatever. soon this industry will have products costin 5 cents containing 27856mcg actives activated by some quantum technology...

    and i was so impressed when you came out with a combination of properly dosed cop and amento, 2 ingredients which are effective for significant strenght increases, now nearly all pres are full of useless pump nonsense with stims, stims and more stims and focus that will make one feel schizophrenic.

    what happened to performance? ubiquinol will give more results than citrulline (which is now totally useless as the malic acid actually increased energy) and lclt is **** as tartaric acid is harmful to mitochondria.

    well, i guess i could post this in the main section but the disaster of the speed, coke, crack, adrenaline and meth combination along with all that new pseudoscience is really sticking out.

    why is myokem not on board here? no money for advertising or not welcome? alphadex is by far the best OTC AI ever created and the best OTC SERM and even surpasses 1mg arimidex by far rivalling a combination of aromasin and tamoxifen.
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    i am prepared for massive hate and insults etc. so go ahead, nothing can get to me. i hope i can speak to someone at myokem, they are clearly the best and most honest geenuinely ethical company that cares about customers and i think together we could finally end the desaster this industry has become by making people see that supps are often clearly superior to pharmaceuticals if properly made. yet people still pay for a bit of a leaning effect that in pictures of logs i could never see and had no idea which was before or after.


  2. you speak about re1gn and endur3??
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  3. yeah and erase pro and many many more. performax makes some good products but they copied the inclusion of agmatine into a nutrient partitioner in combination with na-r-ala which i was the first to formulate. several companies followed. im using hypermax xt eu version and powermax xt nonetheless but only since i get them cheap.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by iamyourfather View Post
    you speak about re1gn and endur3??
    Re1gn is a great preworkout

  5. Quote Originally Posted by redman24 View Post
    yeah and erase pro and many many more. performax makes some good products but they copied the inclusion of agmatine into a nutrient partitioner in combination with na-r-ala which i was the first to formulate. several companies followed. im using hypermax xt eu version and powermax xt nonetheless but only since i get them cheap.
    Not doubting - this sounds like it could be an interesting discussion, but you are a little worked up - but you were the first to formulate Agmatine as a nutrient partitioner with na-r-ala? Can you elaborate? I don't know your history, so this could be interesting.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by HIT4ME View Post
    Not doubting - this sounds like it could be an interesting discussion, but you are a little worked up - but you were the first to formulate Agmatine as a nutrient partitioner with na-r-ala? Can you elaborate? I don't know your history, so this could be interesting.
    X2..its laughable because there are only a handful of a handful of compliant and affordable ingreds available to use as a nutrient partitioner

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  7. supplement companies making more and more **** based on pseudoscience


    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie1267 View Post
    Re1gn is a great preworkout
    i love re1gn! its on of the best pre workouts i ever had, its as good as the old conqu3r amped (redman, hast du da mitgewirkt? (in english - were you involved in designing?)

    the pumps are awesome (its just a very nice addition to a pre workout, especially if its something like vaso6, which is an excellent pump and endurance ingredient) and the focus razor sharp, the mood enhancing effect is strongly noticeable and there is no crash! i dont even sweat that much more (would be no problem anyway).

    the 300mg caffeine are my sweet spot, perfect like in the old amped, the eria jarensis (n-pea) + juglans regia (stronger dmha) + the third prop blend ingredient in the stim matrix, the stim-x (something like yohimbine) work perfect synergistically with the teacrine + the kannaease (if this dose is really that noticeable, tbh its a very small dose - most kanna extracts must be dosed much higher if ingested oral; maybe its a special extract, dont know).

    however, the effect s very strong and it feels top notch. pump + drive + endurance are outstanding; all i want for a pre workout.

    yes, so c-o-p or amentoflavone would be a nice to have but their strength enhancing effects arent that strong (i tried amentomax, dont feel very much of it - had two bottles of it) so who cares - re1gn is great, it absolutely does what it is supposed to do. great job from olympus labs!

  8. You formulate the Brawn Elite line...apparently?

    Every single one of the those products are a joke. STFU
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  11. Second person to claim Alphadex is one of the best supplements ever. I found some of the original, and plan to buy a few bottles.

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    Second person to claim Alphadex is one of the best supplements ever. I found some of the original, and plan to buy a few bottles.
    Where is best place to buy Alphadex.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by NoAddedHmones View Post
    You formulate the Brawn Elite line...apparently?

    Every single one of the those products are a joke. STFU
    yes he is.
    i actually like kamikaze and sleep&ghrow..
    products are not completely bad apart from firecracker which is a joke
    (and i am not in business with him or brawn)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuR View Post
    yes he is.
    i actually like kamikaze and sleep&ghrow..
    products are not completely bad apart from firecracker which is a joke
    (and i am not in business with him or brawn)
    berberin hcl is NOT a good supplement for nattys! if you are natural, berberin may inhibit your muscle hypertrophy because it f*cks mTor nearly completely. so muscle growth on a clinical dose berberin is not possible without anabolic steroids.


    quotation examine:


    „The increase in AMPK will inherently suppress muscle hypertrophy in muscle cells. You can attenuate this by inducing PGC-1a (happens with intense workouts) but this also sort of suppresses AMPK in these tissues (AMPK will still be active in the liver and fat cells, so those tissue effects would be preserved).“

  16. @redman24 please provide evidence that 9mbc is a neurotoxin? You said this over and over and provide no proof. I've looked into it and it looks like it would be neuroproctive not toxic. So please explain.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by iamyourfather View Post
    berberin hcl is NOT a good supplement for nattys! if you are natural, berberin may inhibit your muscle hypertrophy because it f*cks mTor nearly completely. so muscle growth on a clinical dose berberin is not possible without anabolic steroids.


    quotation examine:


    „The increase in AMPK will inherently suppress muscle hypertrophy in muscle cells. You can attenuate this by inducing PGC-1a (happens with intense workouts) but this also sort of suppresses AMPK in these tissues (AMPK will still be active in the liver and fat cells, so those tissue effects would be preserved).“
    same to be said about metformin.
    guess what.. ive taken both during bulks and built muscle without roids.
    recently ive stopped berberine and safed it for cuts, but still take metformin during bulk.

  18. Supplements are clearly superior to pharmaceuticals if properly made?

    Might want to rethink that.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post
    Supplements are clearly superior to pharmaceuticals if properly made?

    Might want to rethink that.
    no need to rethink.
    there are direct comparision studies between the two and berberine doesnt fall far behind :P
  20. supplement companies making more and more **** based on pseudoscience


    Maybe I’m miss understanding, are pharmaceuticals referring AAS?


    If so , then that statement is wrong.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by iamyourfather View Post
    berberin hcl is NOT a good supplement for nattys! if you are natural, berberin may inhibit your muscle hypertrophy because it f*cks mTor nearly completely. so muscle growth on a clinical dose berberin is not possible without anabolic steroids.


    quotation examine:


    „The increase in AMPK will inherently suppress muscle hypertrophy in muscle cells. You can attenuate this by inducing PGC-1a (happens with intense workouts) but this also sort of suppresses AMPK in these tissues (AMPK will still be active in the liver and fat cells, so those tissue effects would be preserved).“
    All...and I mean "all" the current GDA's on the market today are being formulated from the wrong angle. What was the original purpose of these products? To mimic insulin, correct? That's right, but they don't. They do to a degree, but they also blunt muscle hypertrophy. This is especially true of many of the higher dosed GDAs. Unfortunately, the trend today is to just keep adding more and more compounds, while continuing to increase the dosages. This is great for increasing insulin sensitivity, but bad for muscle growth, which is the main reason people use insulin in the first place. If someone wants to get leaner, fine...use them. But if they want to grow (especially drug-free lifters), it's not such a good idea...at least not in large quantities.

    The bottom line is that ALL of these products come with both pros and cons. They do a great job at performing "some" of insulin's functions, but they dump all over it's most desirable function--muscle growth. This is going to change in the future.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post
    Supplements are clearly superior to pharmaceuticals if properly made?

    Might want to rethink that.
    I know you weren't responding to me, but I want to respond by saying sometimes this is true...and sometimes it isn't. It depends what is being compared. There have been plenty of "natural" therapies that were not only equal in effectiveness to pharmaceutical drugs, but they provided those results without any serious side effects that the pharmaceuticals did.
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  23. supplement companies making more and more **** based on pseudoscience


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    All...and I mean "all" the current GDA's on the market today are being formulated from the wrong angle. What was the original purpose of these products? To mimic insulin, correct? That's right, but they don't. They do to a degree, but they also blunt muscle hypertrophy. This is especially true of many of the higher dosed GDAs. Unfortunately, the trend today is to just keep adding more and more compounds, while continuing to increase the dosages. This is great for increasing insulin sensitivity, but bad for muscle growth, which is the main reason people use insulin in the first place. If someone wants to get leaner, fine...use them. But if they want to grow (especially drug-free lifters), it's not such a good idea.

    The bottom line is that ALL of these products come with both pros and cons. They do a great job at performing "some" of insulin's functions, but they dump all over it's most desirable function--muscle growth. This is going to change in the future.


    the problem is that it improves your fat cells insulin sensitivity and you dont want that. „insulin sensitivity“ at all is some marketing shot most of the time. „nutrient partitioning“ with supplements is quite worthless.

    after a training session your insulin sensitivity is up for several hours, its up IN the muscles. (to improve general insulin sensitivity you mustn’t be fat and you have to do sports - thats it)

    berberin actives ampk, ampk tells the cell a low energy status. the cell afterwards wants to get nutrients, glucose out of the bloodstream. (a cell with low energy status doesnt want to do anything like proteine synthesis, just to show, why muscle hypertrophy + berberin do not well together)

    so there are two possibilities:

    - you improve the insulin sensitivity, which is anyway on a high level after training, with berberin but also inhibit protein synthesis

    - or the ampk suppression through training balances the effect of berberin and ampk does not get increased - no effect in the muscles

    the ampk activation works in the whole body! so if it isnt increased inside the muscles, it will still work inside the fat cells. gratulation, you made your fat cells more insulin sensitive. great idea - now the fat cells desire to store some nutrients.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    All...and I mean "all" the current GDA's on the market today are being formulated from the wrong angle. What was the original purpose of these products? To mimic insulin, correct? That's right, but they don't. They do to a degree, but they also blunt muscle hypertrophy. This is especially true of many of the higher dosed GDAs. Unfortunately, the trend today is to just keep adding more and more compounds, while continuing to increase the dosages. This is great for increasing insulin sensitivity, but bad for muscle growth, which is the main reason people use insulin in the first place. If someone wants to get leaner, fine...use them. But if they want to grow (especially drug-free lifters), it's not such a good idea...at least not in large quantities.

    The bottom line is that ALL of these products come with both pros and cons. They do a great job at performing "some" of insulin's functions, but they dump all over it's most desirable function--muscle growth. This is going to change in the future.
    true.
    ive often thought about the positives of adding real insulin mimickers like vanadyl sulfat (or superior vanadyl complexes), chromium polynicotinate ... to peri workout nutrition. if one doesnt want to **** with real insulin this should at least be effective to some degree.. or not?
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