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  1. Which pre workout next?


    I have been using C4 for awhile now, any suggestions on what to get next? Stim or non stim is fine, I also want to see what you guys think which pre workout is the best bang for the buck.


  2. Use something without nitrates. One or two scoops of c4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Goat View Post
    I have been using C4 for awhile now, any suggestions on what to get next? Stim or non stim is fine, I also want to see what you guys think which pre workout is the best bang for the buck.
    Do you like C4?
    What do you like/dislike about it?
    What are you looking for in a pre-workout?

    If you enjoy C4 and want a stronger Stim --> C4 Extreme Energy
    If you want a stronger stim/pump --> C4 Ultimate

    Other brands:
    Pump/Performance/Energy : Scivation Quake 10.0
    Energy/Pump - OL Re1gn, Kaged Muscle Pre-Kaged, Dymatize Pre

    If you want to cycle off stims and go with a non-stim for 2-4 weeks:
    Scivation Quake 10.0 Stim Free
    PES Ergonine (While an ergogenic the benefits of the performance/endurance aspects could help your training performance)
    I Force Finish Line (ergogenic but can be used as a non-stim)
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by pulsefit View Post
    Use something without nitrates. One or two scoops of c4?
    I've actually tried two scoops of C4. It works well but I built a tolerance to it. So, I might end up getting one without nitrates or just don't take anything at all.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Do you like C4?
    What do you like/dislike about it?
    What are you looking for in a pre-workout?

    If you enjoy C4 and want a stronger Stim --> C4 Extreme Energy
    If you want a stronger stim/pump --> C4 Ultimate

    Other brands:
    Pump/Performance/Energy : Scivation Quake 10.0
    Energy/Pump - OL Re1gn, Kaged Muscle Pre-Kaged, Dymatize Pre

    If you want to cycle off stims and go with a non-stim for 2-4 weeks:
    Scivation Quake 10.0 Stim Free
    PES Ergonine (While an ergogenic the benefits of the performance/endurance aspects could help your training performance)
    I Force Finish Line (ergogenic but can be used as a non-stim)
    C4 is great honestly, I feel like it does the job but recently I've built up a tolerance. So now I am looking for something a little stronger, or go with something non stim like you had suggested and wait 2-4 weeks off then jump on a stim product again.

    I appreciate the detailed response, I will look into the Scivation Quake 10.0 stim free product, i'm sure my local vitamin shoppe has it.
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  6. Have you tried HyperMax XT yet? I would add it to the list of ones TheSolution mentioned. It provides strong clean stim, somewhat euphoric. Plus out provides a great pump.
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  7. Outlier Nutrition Deviation, pre workout best bang for buck, https ://outliernutrition.com/product/deviation/

    250mg Caffeine + 150mg DMHA (2- Amino Isoheptane), Creatine HCL and look at the ingredient list here is 2nd to none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Goat View Post
    C4 is great honestly, I feel like it does the job but recently I've built up a tolerance. So now I am looking for something a little stronger, or go with something non stim like you had suggested and wait 2-4 weeks off then jump on a stim product again.
    So you like C4? So why fix what aint broken? As the directions state to discontinue use after a tolerance is built up (or 8-12 weeks of use). then use a non-stim for 2-4 weeks and re-use C4 if you had such great success.

    If you did want a stronger version go with Extreme Energy or C4 Ultimate. Because this product clearly works for you, so stick with it.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Have you tried HyperMax XT yet? I would add it to the list of ones TheSolution mentioned. It provides strong clean stim, somewhat euphoric. Plus out provides a great pump.
    I have not tried HyperMax XT yet: I will look into that one as well.
    Thank you.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    So you like C4? So why fix what aint broken? As the directions state to discontinue use after a tolerance is built up (or 8-12 weeks of use). then use a non-stim for 2-4 weeks and re-use C4 if you had such great success.

    If you did want a stronger version go with Extreme Energy or C4 Ultimate. Because this product clearly works for you, so stick with it.

    That is totally true, I wanted to just try out some other preworkouts just to see what they are like compared to C4. Trial and error I guess with pre workouts and see what else I may like.

    I will definitely look into C4 extreme energy or C4 ultimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Goat View Post
    That is totally true, I wanted to just try out some other preworkouts just to see what they are like compared to C4. Trial and error I guess with pre workouts and see what else I may like.

    I will definitely look into C4 extreme energy or C4 ultimate.
    Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.

    Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
    Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.

    Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
    Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
    People enjoy trying new things. Pretty sure in all those food threads, you post all kinds of different foods, many of which are in the same category.

    Human nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    People enjoy trying new things. Pretty sure in all those food threads, you post all kinds of different foods, many of which are in the same category.

    Human nature.
    Sure I eat a variety of foods. Don't you too? Is your diet nothing but chicken and rice? Do you only consume fish and rice cakes? I highly doubt it.

    i can also go buy Kai Green's Pre-workout because it works for him. Does that mean its going to work as good as C4 if I am seeing great results? no. Becuase again not everyone responds to same formulas. Just becuase something is great on paper does not always correlate to working in real life. Human trial and experience always triumph's what someone says, or what people read online etc...
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Sure I eat a variety of foods. Don't you too? Is your diet nothing but chicken and rice? Do you only consume fish and rice cakes? I highly doubt it.

    i can also go buy Kai Green's Pre-workout because it works for him. Does that mean its going to work as good as C4 if I am seeing great results? no. Becuase again not everyone responds to same formulas. Just becuase something is great on paper does not always correlate to working in real life. Human trial and experience always triumph's what someone says, or what people read online etc...
    Still, people love variety. Food was example. Clothes is another, shoes, cars, partners, drinks.

    Nothing wrong with mixing it up and trying new things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Still, people love variety. Food was example. Clothes is another, shoes, cars, partners, drinks.

    Nothing wrong with mixing it up and trying new things.
    So if you had an outlined diet that is giving you great results, you would just change everything to "Try new things"?
    That sounds like the typical gym goer who struggles with consistency and dedication because they always want to "Try new things" and "switch things up". This is a common case we see in public gyms and people spinning wheels and it applies to nutrition, training, and supplementation.
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  17. I'm not arguing, just stating that people (including you) like trying different things. We all do.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.

    Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
    Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
    Eh. I see both sides of the coin here; let's say I am using a pre-workout with 1g arginine, 2g glutamine, and 2g CEE; I may think it is working great for me, and I may be making good progress and having great workouts when I'm using it, but I would argue that it's not BECUASE of that under-dosed PWO, but independent of, if not in spite of, it. This hypothetical person using this hypothetical pre-workout would probably benefit from tying a better pre-workout, say 3g citrulline and or 400mg nitrates instead of the arginine. The science suggests that this new PWO would be more effective, so it makes sense to try it, especially if the science points to the current PWO you're using being ineffective/underdosed/etc. But this is an extreme example, going from a terrible PWO to a great one; if you're already using something with effective ingredients and doses, then changing it up isn't really as "necessary" or even as strongly suggested. I say that if compelling research comes out that the supplement/ingredient you're using is useless and/or clearly inferior, then it is logical to try something that should be useful/superior, but yeah, trying something new just to try something new isn't really a necessity at all.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Eh. I see both sides of the coin here; let's say I am using a pre-workout with 1g arginine, 2g glutamine, and 2g CEE; I may think it is working great for me, and I may be making good progress and having great workouts when I'm using it, but I would argue that it's not BECUASE of that under-dosed PWO, but independent of, if not in spite of, it. This hypothetical person using this hypothetical pre-workout would probably benefit from tying a better pre-workout, say 3g citrulline and or 400mg nitrates instead of the arginine. The science suggests that this new PWO would be more effective, so it makes sense to try it, especially if the science points to the current PWO you're using being ineffective/underdosed/etc. But this is an extreme example, going from a terrible PWO to a great one; if you're already using something with effective ingredients and doses, then changing it up isn't really as "necessary" or even as strongly suggested. I say that if compelling research comes out that the supplement/ingredient you're using is useless and/or clearly inferior, then it is logical to try something that should be useful/superior, but yeah, trying something new just to try something new isn't really a necessity at all.
    I agree as well. Just stating that consumers, myself included, like to try new products.
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  20. Olympus labs has a new good preworkout. I do like hypermax xt which I've seen some good sales on. If you want an all in one nutrabio has two good ones or prekaged which has been mentioned.

    Reason I bring up nitrates is due tolerance that you build up two months is about tops without a break from them.
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  22. I'm actually a fan of switching things up. HyperMax, Mesomorph, Radiate + MaxReps are the three that I seem to rotate through. Also have Kraken and Re1gn on hand.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.

    Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
    Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
    You are right man, I'm better off sticking to what's tried and true with myself. Looks like I'll be getting C4 extreme for now and do as you said above with the cycling between stim and no stim. I appreciate all the information/advice you have given me.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Goat View Post
    You are right man, I'm better off sticking to what's tried and true with myself. Looks like I'll be getting C4 extreme for now and do as you said above with the cycling between stim and no stim. I appreciate all the information/advice you have given me.
    I am no rep, just a engineer / bodybuilder, who has tried every pre workout since original NO Xplode. Outlier Nutrition FTW on deviation. Cellucor C4 is ok... Deviation is better fo sho, gave my extra C4 away actually cause of it. Sometimes i mix a bit of EVL BCAA in for natural caffeines... and tone down the DMHA from Deviation.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by pulsefit View Post
    Olympus labs has a new good preworkout. I do like hypermax xt which I've seen some good sales on. If you want an all in one nutrabio has two good ones or prekaged which has been mentioned.

    Reason I bring up nitrates is due tolerance that you build up two months is about tops without a break from them.
    Nice man, it's always to good to get stuff on sale. Will look into those two, and yes the nitrates.. I think my tolerance is a bit high so I'll try and rotate a non stim preworkout in.
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