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I have been using C4 for awhile now, any suggestions on what to get next? Stim or non stim is fine, I also want to see what you guys think which pre workout is the best bang for the buck.
Do you like C4?I have been using C4 for awhile now, any suggestions on what to get next? Stim or non stim is fine, I also want to see what you guys think which pre workout is the best bang for the buck.
I've actually tried two scoops of C4. It works well but I built a tolerance to it. So, I might end up getting one without nitrates or just don't take anything at all.Use something without nitrates. One or two scoops of c4?
C4 is great honestly, I feel like it does the job but recently I've built up a tolerance. So now I am looking for something a little stronger, or go with something non stim like you had suggested and wait 2-4 weeks off then jump on a stim product again.Do you like C4?
What do you like/dislike about it?
What are you looking for in a pre-workout?
If you enjoy C4 and want a stronger Stim --> C4 Extreme Energy
If you want a stronger stim/pump --> C4 Ultimate
Other brands:
Pump/Performance/Energy : Scivation Quake 10.0
Energy/Pump - OL Re1gn, Kaged Muscle Pre-Kaged, Dymatize Pre
If you want to cycle off stims and go with a non-stim for 2-4 weeks:
Scivation Quake 10.0 Stim Free
PES Ergonine (While an ergogenic the benefits of the performance/endurance aspects could help your training performance)
I Force Finish Line (ergogenic but can be used as a non-stim)
So you like C4? So why fix what aint broken? As the directions state to discontinue use after a tolerance is built up (or 8-12 weeks of use). then use a non-stim for 2-4 weeks and re-use C4 if you had such great success.C4 is great honestly, I feel like it does the job but recently I've built up a tolerance. So now I am looking for something a little stronger, or go with something non stim like you had suggested and wait 2-4 weeks off then jump on a stim product again.
I have not tried HyperMax XT yet: I will look into that one as well.Have you tried HyperMax XT yet? I would add it to the list of ones TheSolution mentioned. It provides strong clean stim, somewhat euphoric. Plus out provides a great pump.
So you like C4? So why fix what aint broken? As the directions state to discontinue use after a tolerance is built up (or 8-12 weeks of use). then use a non-stim for 2-4 weeks and re-use C4 if you had such great success.
If you did want a stronger version go with Extreme Energy or C4 Ultimate. Because this product clearly works for you, so stick with it.
Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.That is totally true, I wanted to just try out some other preworkouts just to see what they are like compared to C4. Trial and error I guess with pre workouts and see what else I may like.
I will definitely look into C4 extreme energy or C4 ultimate.
People enjoy trying new things. Pretty sure in all those food threads, you post all kinds of different foods, many of which are in the same category.Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.
Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
Sure I eat a variety of foods. Don't you too? Is your diet nothing but chicken and rice? Do you only consume fish and rice cakes? I highly doubt it.People enjoy trying new things. Pretty sure in all those food threads, you post all kinds of different foods, many of which are in the same category.
Human nature.
Still, people love variety. Food was example. Clothes is another, shoes, cars, partners, drinks.Sure I eat a variety of foods. Don't you too? Is your diet nothing but chicken and rice? Do you only consume fish and rice cakes? I highly doubt it.
i can also go buy Kai Green's Pre-workout because it works for him. Does that mean its going to work as good as C4 if I am seeing great results? no. Becuase again not everyone responds to same formulas. Just becuase something is great on paper does not always correlate to working in real life. Human trial and experience always triumph's what someone says, or what people read online etc...
So if you had an outlined diet that is giving you great results, you would just change everything to "Try new things"?Still, people love variety. Food was example. Clothes is another, shoes, cars, partners, drinks.
Nothing wrong with mixing it up and trying new things.
Eh. I see both sides of the coin here; let's say I am using a pre-workout with 1g arginine, 2g glutamine, and 2g CEE; I may think it is working great for me, and I may be making good progress and having great workouts when I'm using it, but I would argue that it's not BECUASE of that under-dosed PWO, but independent of, if not in spite of, it. This hypothetical person using this hypothetical pre-workout would probably benefit from tying a better pre-workout, say 3g citrulline and or 400mg nitrates instead of the arginine. The science suggests that this new PWO would be more effective, so it makes sense to try it, especially if the science points to the current PWO you're using being ineffective/underdosed/etc. But this is an extreme example, going from a terrible PWO to a great one; if you're already using something with effective ingredients and doses, then changing it up isn't really as "necessary" or even as strongly suggested. I say that if compelling research comes out that the supplement/ingredient you're using is useless and/or clearly inferior, then it is logical to try something that should be useful/superior, but yeah, trying something new just to try something new isn't really a necessity at all.Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.
Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
I agree as well. Just stating that consumers, myself included, like to try new products.Eh. I see both sides of the coin here; let's say I am using a pre-workout with 1g arginine, 2g glutamine, and 2g CEE; I may think it is working great for me, and I may be making good progress and having great workouts when I'm using it, but I would argue that it's not BECUASE of that under-dosed PWO, but independent of, if not in spite of, it. This hypothetical person using this hypothetical pre-workout would probably benefit from tying a better pre-workout, say 3g citrulline and or 400mg nitrates instead of the arginine. The science suggests that this new PWO would be more effective, so it makes sense to try it, especially if the science points to the current PWO you're using being ineffective/underdosed/etc. But this is an extreme example, going from a terrible PWO to a great one; if you're already using something with effective ingredients and doses, then changing it up isn't really as "necessary" or even as strongly suggested. I say that if compelling research comes out that the supplement/ingredient you're using is useless and/or clearly inferior, then it is logical to try something that should be useful/superior, but yeah, trying something new just to try something new isn't really a necessity at all.
You are right man, I'm better off sticking to what's tried and true with myself. Looks like I'll be getting C4 extreme for now and do as you said above with the cycling between stim and no stim. I appreciate all the information/advice you have given me.Sure you can try everything and anything a rep on here will push your way. If you have already tried something that gives you "great" results, there is not a "great" reason to go out and try X or Y just out of curiosity or perhaps buyers remose. With an industry flooded with pre-workouts and various formulas and ingredients sometimes its better to stick to your guns.
Its like "Hey my diet is working great. I am losing weight, holding my strength, and making great progress"
Then the curious lifter who follows some ripped guy on instagram having success with a totally different diet and wants to just change. Not everyone is the same. Do what works for you. and Rinse/Repeat.
I am no rep, just a engineer / bodybuilder, who has tried every pre workout since original NO Xplode. Outlier Nutrition FTW on deviation. Cellucor C4 is ok... Deviation is better fo sho, gave my extra C4 away actually cause of it. Sometimes i mix a bit of EVL BCAA in for natural caffeines... and tone down the DMHA from Deviation.You are right man, I'm better off sticking to what's tried and true with myself. Looks like I'll be getting C4 extreme for now and do as you said above with the cycling between stim and no stim. I appreciate all the information/advice you have given me.
Nice man, it's always to good to get stuff on sale. Will look into those two, and yes the nitrates.. I think my tolerance is a bit high so I'll try and rotate a non stim preworkout in.Olympus labs has a new good preworkout. I do like hypermax xt which I've seen some good sales on. If you want an all in one nutrabio has two good ones or prekaged which has been mentioned.
Reason I bring up nitrates is due tolerance that you build up two months is about tops without a break from them.
It's all good I didn't assume you were a rep or something. We all have a differences when it comes to what preworkout and what works. I've tried BCAA's before by itself, didn't do much for me to be honest.I am no rep, just a engineer / bodybuilder, who has tried every pre workout since original NO Xplode. Outlier Nutrition FTW on deviation. Cellucor C4 is ok... Deviation is better fo sho, gave my extra C4 away actually cause of it. Sometimes i mix a bit of EVL BCAA in for natural caffeines... and tone down the DMHA from Deviation.
Ahh, yeah the BCAA are just for recovery / intra. Someone else made a general comment about 'reps pushing whatever'.It's all good I didn't assume you were a rep or something. We all have a differences when it comes to what preworkout and what works. I've tried BCAA's before by itself, didn't do much for me to be honest.
Wow interesting. I'll have to look more into this, thank you.Ahh, yeah the BCAA are just for recovery / intra. Someone else made a general comment about 'reps pushing whatever'.
Trust me the DMHA and Caffeine combo in that Deviation very powerful (if you are familiar with DMAA that was banned, this is 80% as strong).. Like liquid adderall / amph-salts. You could hit a vape pen of THC, drink this and be wide awake to hit the plates. The Creatine HCL and Betaine / Beta Alanine / Citruline Malate plus other niceties in those ingredient profiles, make it a very good $ value.
Cheers!
Yes that's exactly what I plan on doing. Appreciate the help, and the list of some stim preworkouts to look atIf you really like C4 but are building tolerance I think you should pick up a stim free pre workout to run for a week or more, as well as C4 Ultimate, and then keep the stim free around to use some days to prolong the length of time till you rebuild tolerance running the C4 Ultimate.
For stim free look at
Controlled Labs White Pipes
Scivation Quake caffeine free
PES High Volume
Carbon Prep
HemaV02 max
Big Noise
I'm liking the look of this actually, once I finish my deviation... I can add Muscletech Creactor (creatine HCL , free acid creatine) to HyperMax XT here and its more or less the same thingHyperMax XT gets rave reviews! Great all in one pre workout! 4g Citrulline + 2g Glycerol + 1 Agmatine for great pumps, 3g Beta-Alanine Orotate + 1g L-Ornithine L-Aspartate for Performance and Endurance and an amazing stim blend for focus and energy. Top contender for sure!
Arginine Nitrates are a better source of nitrates over creatine nitrates, So yes you could look into that like I commented on in post #1 with Scivation Quake 10.0Nice man, it's always to good to get stuff on sale. Will look into those two, and yes the nitrates.. I think my tolerance is a bit high so I'll try and rotate a non stim preworkout in.
^ Bingo. Customer likes C4 and gets great results keep him with a product that delivers results.If you really like C4 but are building tolerance I think you should pick up a stim free pre workout to run for a week or more, as well as C4 Ultimate, and then keep the stim free around to use some days to prolong the length of time till you rebuild tolerance running the C4 Ultimate.
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Nutriverse has it for $32, including shipping. Use code AM5 for an additional 5% offI'm liking the look of this actually, once I finish my deviation... I can add Muscletech Creactor (creatine HCL , free acid creatine) to HyperMax XT here and its more or less the same thing
DPS or A1 Supps has this for $34, not bad
C4 is great, flavors, and works well. Ive built up a tolerance and it just gets stronger and builds more more to a point, so i just backed down. Lots of great pre workouts out there. Im taking Gamer up by Controlled Labs right now and its low stim, and very good with taurine, tyrosine in it. Another good non caffeine and caffiene pre workout is Ragnorak by Millennium Sport Technologies . The New Olympus labs looks very,very strong. I personally like to keep stimulate use low to moderate , generally.I have been using C4 for awhile now, any suggestions on what to get next? Stim or non stim is fine, I also want to see what you guys think which pre workout is the best bang for the buck.
I am currently going to back down from it as well until my tolerance gets back in the normal ranges. I'll have to try out that non caffeine pre workout. I am first going to try out cycling non stim and stim c4'sC4 is great, flavors, and works well. Ive built up a tolerance and it just gets stronger and builds more more to a point, so i just backed down. Lots of great pre workouts out there. Im taking Gamer up by Controlled Labs right now and its low stim, and very good with taurine, tyrosine in it. Another good non caffeine and caffiene pre workout is Ragnorak by Millennium Sport Technologies . The New Olympus labs looks very,very strong. I personally like to keep stimulate use low to moderate , generally.
Thats a good option. Ive cycled down from moderate stim use to zero quite a few times over the years. If you're on the high or moderate side of stimulates you can go down a notch to lower, and either stay there or come off.I am currently going to back down from it as well until my tolerance gets back in the normal ranges. I'll have to try out that non caffeine pre workout. I am first going to try out cycling non stim and stim c4's
agreed completely once you go back down in stimulates things regulate themselves. No need to get super jacked up. Im not saying theres a certain time and place to take a little more stimulates, like I was traveling a lot this year, woke up earlier, had a lot to do that day, and would take a little more stimulates. Generally though, as long as you dont overdo stimulates , can sleep well, etc, you'll be fineI was on mesomorph (high stim),took a break and discovered BPS stimrush and I love it.It's not necessary to go back to the higher stim pre workout of the past.
It gives me the necessary amount of energy nothing more nothing less.
Love trying new things that's how one discovers great products.
Wake up at 4:30AM to train at 6:00AM.
I also discovered that I train better early in the morning.
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