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    Quote Originally Posted by blaykeryan View Post
    Quick question...I've been taking ultram for a while for a shoulder injury from bb benching..and yes I've tried to stop taking it and the withdrawals are horrid...I'm only taking 75 mg/day if that...would Phenibut be something to think about trying for withdrawls?
    Did Ultram even give you pain relief? For myself it really doesnt do a thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Did Ultram even give you pain relief? For myself it really doesnt do a thing
    Ultram puts my mind at ease and is very addictive. Not sure I really feel any pain relief though.
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    Yea it helps a little bit...yep they are addictive devils...they aren't as strong as other pain meds but the withdrawls are horrid..I'm at the point where I'm addicted to them and just rely on them too much..so it prolly would be stupid to take something else that can be addictive
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    Immodium ad actually works wonders for opiate withdrawals (probably because its an opiate itself just doesn't pass the blood brain barrier)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Immodium ad actually works wonders for opiate withdrawals (probably because its an opiate itself just doesn't pass the blood brain barrier)
    Wouldnt you have to use an crazy amount of that stuff for it to work as a detox tool. I looked it up on erowid and this guy said he took enough to back you up for like a month!
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    Loperamide is not a mild opiate at all its actually an anoloug of fentanyl just to large a molecule to pass the bbb
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