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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I've been cleared to release one of the studies behind Amino IV. Yay!

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/94/3/809.long

    For those wondering why we picked the EAAs that we did, we chose based off this study. Why? This is the only study done in trained humans consuming EAAs during the workout. These are legit, military-trained personnel doing both resistance and endurance work.

    The findings?

    "In summary, consumption of a 10-g dose of EAA enriched with leucine during moderate endurance-type exercise stimulated increased MPS when compared with an isonitrogenous EAA supplement with an amino acid profile consistent with high-quality proteins. These data indicate that increasing leucine availability during steady state exercise promotes skeletal muscle protein anabolism and spares endogenous protein."




    Cliffs:

    These EAAs increased postworkout MPS by 33% when consumed during exercise
    The drink with the highest leucine content spared muscle to the greatest degree


    Amino IV has the same EAAs at a higher dose (nearly the same ratios too), and an even higher amount of leucine. Hmmm....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Just ordered pes amino iv, after I hit confirm, I lost 5lbs of muscle.

    Sure it's not because you just came off 3 compounds? Haha! I kid!
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    Cooper dropped some awesome info:
    Too cool!
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    does it contain carbs-sugar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1kerry View Post
    does it contain carbs-sugar?
    No.

    You can view the profile here; http://pescience.com/amino-iv.html
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    If this won't make my penis bigger, will it make my hands smaller?

    You know, so it seems bigger
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    I wish, haven't been on since June-July
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    You know, so it seems bigger
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    There's no placebo in the study? lolwhat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    There's no placebo in the study? lolwhat?
    It's called a crossover design, and it's very common in clinical practice. There is a world outside this one you know
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It's called a crossover design, and it's very common in clinical practice. There is a world outside this one you know
    Well, I'm just saying that in this case, it looks suspect.

    Because the MPS results in the non-enriched EAA group are not significantly outside of what one would expect in the post-exercise MPS increase under no supplementation at all.

    To me, this makes the study read as 'leucine increases MPS'

    I'm just saying that if they wanted to demonstrate that EAA increases MPS or for the study to be used to say that, then they would need to be testing it against the non-presence of EAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Well, I'm just saying that in this case, it looks suspect.

    Because the MPS results in the non-enriched EAA group are not significantly outside of what one would expect in the post-exercise MPS increase under no supplementation at all.

    To me, this makes the study read as 'leucine increases MPS'

    I'm just saying that if they wanted to demonstrate that EAA increases MPS or for the study to be used to say that, then they would need to be testing it against the non-presence of EAA.
    Word. I'm probably gonna add additional leucine to it since I have several bottles of the G-N-C brand I got really cheap not to long ago....might as well use both since I have them and purchased them on sale. But its probably fine with the profile as is, which I assume by what I've read in here is 10g EAA and 5g Leucine per 2 scoops....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Word. I'm probably gonna add additional leucine to it since I have several bottles of the G-N-C brand I got really cheap not to long ago....might as well use both since I have them and purchased them on sale. But its probably fine with the profile as is, which I assume by what I've read in here is 10g EAA and 5g Leucine per 2 scoops....
    Why not dose the leucine between meals? Kind of like Layne Norton's MPS Study with 5g between meals 4-6 hours apart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Why not dose the leucine between meals? Kind of like Layne Norton's MPS Study with 5g between meals 4-6 hours apart?
    That is kinda sorta what I am doing.....whenever there is a long interval of time between eating (or I am fasted), I will take either IV or Bcaa/leucine.....for instance pre-WO when I am fasted overnight, When at school from 9:30-1:45 and I drink whey protein at 7:30 and don't eat until 2:30, etc. I figure those are opportune times to take advantage of EAA and Leucine/Bcaa while cutting and on a relatively low calorie and moderate protein diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    My brother in law ran 50 miles for charity yesterday(srs) and recovered with water
    If he is that good of a marathon runner then he is probably skinny as fck, we want to have big musk-uls lol....so we need....AMINOS!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sideshowdoc View Post
    What are the benefits of the verbana?
    Honestly, this is the best ingredient in the product. If Josh clears me to do so, I will explain what we extracted for and how it will not only improve recovery (human data), but also boost performance through a variety of mechanisms.

    For now, I'll leave it at this...

    It will work very well with CDP-Choline and ArA.

    And secondly, I'm curious to see if any Amino IV users report an unusual side effect for an intraworkout product: improved pumps
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Honestly, this is the best ingredient in the product. If Josh clears me to do so, I will explain what we extracted for and how it will not only improve recovery (human data), but also boost performance through a variety of mechanisms.

    For now, I'll leave it at this...

    It will work very well with CDP-Choline and ArA.

    And secondly, I'm curious to see if any Amino IV users report an unusual side effect for an intraworkout product: improved pumps
    Very nice
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    The verbana has some real intriguing research behind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    Well, I'm just saying that in this case, it looks suspect.

    Because the MPS results in the non-enriched EAA group are not significantly outside of what one would expect in the post-exercise MPS increase under no supplementation at all.

    To me, this makes the study read as 'leucine increases MPS'

    I'm just saying that if they wanted to demonstrate that EAA increases MPS or for the study to be used to say that, then they would need to be testing it against the non-presence of EAA.
    There are already studies comparing leucine to EAA to whey. This study is showing that leucine + EAA is greater than either alone.
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    the 15g blend is in 1 or 2 scoops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1kerry View Post
    the 15g blend is in 1 or 2 scoops?
    2 scoops
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    2 scoops

    I believe fasted trainees and IF dieters will love this product
    nice, I follow the LEANGAINS IF approach…….so 1 scoop before, 1 scoop during and I'm good to go?? and what about after training, should i consume 1 more scoop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1kerry View Post
    nice, I follow the LEANGAINS IF approach…….so 1 scoop before, 1 scoop during and I'm good to go?? and what about after training, should i consume 1 more scoop?
    1 scoop is enough preworkout for the bolus leucine effect. I'd advise consuming another one intraworkout (no need for postworkout) since it has ingredients that are conducive to enhanced endurance and recovery
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    Hi,
    why thereīs no l-tryptophan in the formula? Isnīt it also an EAA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprotte View Post
    Hi,
    why thereīs no l-tryptophan in the formula? Isnīt it also an EAA?
    Tryptophan competes for the same transporter as the BCAAs. This would reduce BCAA uptake plus diminish one of the purported anti-fatigue effects of leucine (blocking out tryptophan uptake into the brain, thus prolonging perceived central fatigue).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    My brother in law ran 50 miles for charity yesterday(srs) and recovered with water
    You could say this with all supplements. People built muscle before creatine, whey protein and ArA.

    Supplement companies just try and make the process faster or more efficient. Maybe he would have recovered better with Amino IV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF_2356 View Post
    How's it work on a cut? I'm at maintenance now but cutting soon in 6 weeks
    HICA would lend itself towards muscle preservation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Honestly, this is the best ingredient in the product. If Josh clears me to do so, I will explain what we extracted for and how it will not only improve recovery (human data), but also boost performance through a variety of mechanisms.

    For now, I'll leave it at this...

    It will work very well with CDP-Choline and ArA.

    And secondly, I'm curious to see if any Amino IV users report an unusual side effect for an intraworkout product: improved pumps
    No problems stacking agmatine or L-Norvaline with this coop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Tryptophan competes for the same transporter as the BCAAs. This would reduce BCAA uptake plus diminish one of the purported anti-fatigue effects of leucine (blocking out tryptophan uptake into the brain, thus prolonging perceived central fatigue).
    Ok, but does this not reduce the muscle tissue building effect of the EAAs? Or isnīt tryptophan necessary for this?

    Thank you for the explanation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    1 scoop is enough preworkout for the bolus leucine effect. I'd advise consuming another one intraworkout (no need for postworkout) since it has ingredients that are conducive to enhanced endurance and recovery
    so 1 pre and 1 intra correct? I train early morning fasted so want to get the best bang for my buck so i can give you guys a good review after trying it for a while.

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    Nice to see a foundational product such as Aminos being improved upon. Looking forward to trying this. As far as the lack of tryptophan I personally will not be concerned as I will not be consuming this as my sole source of aminos. With other sources of tryptophan in the diet I think the choice to not include it in the formula are kind of a moot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    1 scoop is enough preworkout for the bolus leucine effect. I'd advise consuming another one intraworkout (no need for postworkout) since it has ingredients that are conducive to enhanced endurance and recovery
    I thought you weren't a fan of aminos intra workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    You could say this with all supplements. People built muscle before creatine, whey protein and ArA.

    Supplement companies just try and make the process faster or more efficient. Maybe he would have recovered better with Amino IV.
    I recover better with steroids.
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