- 10-21-2013, 04:35 PM
I think the tough thing to handle with adaptogens is that their effects may take a month or two to manifest. And even then, it may be very subtle.
I'm beginning my second month of BaCognize (the patented extract at 250mg three times per day), and I've yet to notice much. I don't feel any acute anxiety relief. I will wait until a later date to assess its affect on working memory.
As for ashwagandha and rhodiola, I have a bottle of Sensoril that I'll be using sooner or later, and Matt will be releasing a product with a rhodiola rosea/rhodiola crenulata blend.
It is along the lines of adaptogens (I guess it would be labeled under TCM), but I prefer magnolia extract/lemon balm extract for anxiolytic effects (Non-TCM or non-adaptogen, I like theanine for this purpose).EvoMuse
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10-21-2013, 06:11 PM
I don't care for the NOW brand. It is 500mg and they claim 3:1, but it is very ineffective imo.
10-21-2013, 06:15 PM
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10-21-2013, 10:08 PM
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
10-21-2013, 10:20 PM
I know I might get flamed for this, but no one has mentioned Ecdy or Turk.
10-21-2013, 10:32 PM
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10-24-2013, 04:07 PM
I sure as hell would be trying it, I know that. You should for us and let us know how it is since it is rare to find that ratio.
11-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Over the last couple weeks I've found that Rhodiola Rosea works great with improving my focus and energy (due to lack of sleep) when taken twice each day (morning/afternoon at 120 mg, 6 mg rosavins...Gaia brand). What would stack best with this to improve anxiety and memory? I've tried higher doses (750 mg of Sensoril brand) of Ashwagandha about a month ago but it seemed to increase my brain fog. However, I'm wondering now if maybe my dose had been too high. I'm also looking at trying Bacopa. I'd like to find something that can be used long-term on a daily basis. Also, would Ginkgo Biloba add anything of value to the stack?
11-21-2013, 02:32 PM
Adaptogens are a funny thing OP. TBH, which one is better/best depends on the individual. For example, someone whom is usually super calm and relaxed, I wouldn't suggest them to take ashwagandha since ashwagandha would end up increasing their naturally calm and relaxed state.
My suggestion would be to see what areas you feel like you need help in and then find the adaptogen that best fits into that.
11-21-2013, 02:36 PM
Ive really enjoyed using adaptogens during periods of high stress and high volume/intensity training.
Ashwaganda, Bacopa, Relora, Rhodiola and Ecdy have all seemed to work fairly well for me. I miss the E-Bol products, those were some of my favorite non hormonals.
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11-21-2013, 03:37 PM
11-21-2013, 03:55 PM
For anxiety in general, ashwagandha is good for that. Mind you, different ashwagandha extracts have different feels so you may also want to play with different ones to see which one fits your needs the best. Honestly though, I think Relora might be better for anxiety though it will take a few uses for the effects to settle in.
How many hours of sleep are you getting? Do you give yourself enough time for sleep but just generally easily awoken/restless? If it's the latter, TBH, I would use some GABA, 5-HTP, and ashwagandha together.
11-21-2013, 04:27 PM
11-21-2013, 05:14 PM
Aniracetam is fantastic for anxiety as it is an anxiolytic. It should be taken with a choline source and fatty foods. It isn't an adaptogen, but if you are traveling down this road, no reason you couldn't look into noots.
11-21-2013, 06:10 PM
Something to consider: 5-HTP should be cycled IMO since it does affect serotonin a fair bit. Ashwagandha is pretty safe to take year round. GABA is pretty safe to take regularly but you do tend to build up tolerance to it.
11-21-2013, 06:15 PM
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11-21-2013, 06:27 PM
Bacopa + Gotu Kola in the morning, Ashwagandha an hour or two before bed has been great for me. RR has been tough to pin down a dosage and the effects are too variable for my tastes.
To fight fatigue, Korean/red ginseng has also been great.
11-21-2013, 09:29 PM
11-21-2013, 09:37 PM
Gaia Stress Response is really good.
11-21-2013, 09:57 PM
There are lots of them. I got a free trial of Adapt 232..it's a European made supp. Nice energy, mood boost etc.
Serving Size: 2 capsules
Servings Per Container: 3
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Adapt 232 Proprietary Blend
Rhodiola rosea (root)
Eleutherococcus senticosus (root)
Schisandra chinensis (fruit) 1,750 mg †
† Daily Value not established
11-22-2013, 12:41 AM
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
11-22-2013, 02:53 AM
FWIW I just got NOW ashwagandha, NOW relora, and ON Melatonin a few weeks ago. The combo of the three puts me out fast. I was trying to find something that would make me not need sleeping pills every night. I was on 25mg diphenhydramine (1 benedryl) per night, and 1mg estazolam 2-4 nights per week.
I was just trying to get myself to need less of the diphenhydramine and estazolam, but to my surprise the combo of Ashwagandha, Relora, and Melatonin have completely replaced them. I take the Relora and Ashwagandha together 1-2 hours before bed, and then I take the Melatonin about 30 min before bed. The only caution is that the ON melatonin is a higher dose than some people need (3mg per pill). My first night on it, I had insanely vivid dreams (not bad dreams, just really screwed up) and it wasn't pleasant. Now, I take 1/3 or 1/2 or a pill and have better results.
11-22-2013, 04:47 AM
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11-22-2013, 06:40 AM
I've been taking Rhodiola for a week now and it may be the most effective supplement that I've ever taken in regards to stress/low energy levels. The first couple days it took a little getting used to the "stimulant" like effect after first taking it but then about an hour or so it levels out and you just feel good. I swear my mind hasn't felt this sharp since high school, and the anxiolytic effects are nice too. I have an extremely stressful job and this helps me to just cruise through my shifts without my mind getting all knotted up. Another weird effect is the energy boost, for instance I can be "tired" and yawning but at the same time feel like I could get up and accomplish anything.
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11-22-2013, 07:07 AM
11-22-2013, 07:10 AM
Mass HGH on the other hand... HOLY CRAP! That's like someone just jizzed concentrated melatonin on your face!
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