Formutech Fat buring stack log - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/234711-getting-lean-mean.html
Occasionally during the summer I'll stop taking it for a few months while i'm cutting but that's not really necessary.
Also as far as Anabeta and erase you'll have a great bulk, just be ready to EAT.
I'd wait to take it until you plateau.
If you really want to spice that stack up you could add some daa or some intimidate.
Creatine Mono is the cheapest but that doesn't mean it isn't quality.
If you do want something more than just creatine mono I am a big fan of Magnesium Creatine Chelate and Creatine Orotate. Currently using Genomyx Creignite (MCC + Orotic acid + extras) and it will be my go to for creatine needs (and I love getting the extra Mag., Orotic Acid, and Ast. in it).
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I was trying to figure that out until my joints started aching had to hop back on mono for the duration of my erase run. Ive always come off creatine monohydrate during a cut makes u look a little harder or denser. And Im not exactly sure what anabeta is really all about. Ive heard it makes u hungry but it goes unverified. Sounds like a Powerfull type of hype. As far as supps that do what they claim I can add erase to the list.Originally Posted by determinator
Ive read that. Only studies Ive seen on Anacyclus pyrethrum or Akarkara was on rats and results were negligible. Another thing to ponder, if the formula worked why change it by adding forskolin? Im not one to say u wont feel anything from it, Just heard too many different things Ive heard its a nutrient partitioner. Ive heard its a cortisol blocker. Heard it dhea. Heard its 7 oh. Heard is chamomille...im not sure what to think about it.Originally Posted by kbayne
What kind of results did u get from it? Did u run solo?
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Perfectly said! Two different products and some like both, while others prefer one over the other. Having both available gives options
Forskolin is a great ingredient...why shouldn't the elite edition be a top-notch formula?
7-OH in anabeta elite is a DHEA derivative and cortisol blocker.
Anacyclus is spanish chamomile.
And forskolin you already touched on.
Do the research!
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The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
Originally Posted by mr.cooper69Regarding anacyclus or 'spanish chamomile' (main ingredient in og anabeta) Yes an effect stronger than testosterone is highly debatable. First the only study was done on rats and we all know ur test doesnt jump immediately after a pin even with test suspension it still takes time to raise blood levels. So how long after the pinned group a rats and chamomile fed group b rats before they derived a conclusion that it was "more anabolic than testosterone?" This is just one factor and again the study was done on rats. Were the rats tested in a way that results could have been mistaken for natural rat testosterone spikes. For instance humans have higher levels in morning or after sex etc. Theres too many variables to believe that claim even though the results of that particular study suggest it. Now with the revised new anabeta elite with added ingredients I question why ingredients were added if the ac pyrethium already did the trick well enough. Is it because the results from ac pyrethrum were also highly debatable? So theres my argument for that, for what its worth. My other question would be how *5-Adrosten-3ß,7ß-diol-17-one* in anabeta elite and Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione in erase differ? Im no chemist but the nomenclature seem awfully similar. Would it be safe to assume their mechanisms are similar to other 7-oxygented dhea compounds?Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
Ive done my research