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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is precisely what I'm saying! Unless you are a robot, your testosterone will dip every night when you get tired anyway. Microdoses of exogenous melatonin won't significantly change this effect, as the pineal gland will feedback on the HPTA regardless.

    Edit: And in reading that study, it appears the suppression is at the level of the hypothalamus. This is completely normal and shouldn't be feared. Your T will rise and fall an innumerable amount of times in a day. It's a complex system and seeking to control each component will drive you insane for no significant net gain.
    Right, it disrupts hpta, so supplementing with exogenous melatonin could in theory reduce testosterone via the same mechanisms experienced during night time secretion

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Right, it disrupts hpta, so supplementing with exogenous melatonin could in theory reduce testosterone via the same mechanisms experienced during night time secretion

    - Valdez
    Hm...What I got from the article and Cy's argument was that testosterone is bound to decline, even in healthy individuals, at night, albeit just a bit...I don't think/see how would exogenous 1mg amounts of Melatonin could even remotely reduce Testosterone as a side effect...(Not taking a shot honestly, just wanna see how come you think this and if CyForce has anything to say about it).
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Right, it disrupts hpta, so supplementing with exogenous melatonin could in theory reduce testosterone via the same mechanisms experienced during night time secretion

    - Valdez
    You're missing the point. Transient hormonal fluxes are meaningless. By this logic, I could also mention how melatonin causes a several hundred-fold % increase in growth hormone. But it doesn't matter, because it's transient. Also, melatonin is best supplemented when you are having endogenous release anyway (aka before bed), so again, the data is irrelevant in this regard.

    To put this into perspective, masturbation or sex will cause a transient drop in testosterone after orgasm. Are you going to forego those, or worry about their timing?

    Only in the world of BBers do the imperceptible minutia matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Hm...What I got from the article and Cy's argument was that testosterone is bound to decline, even in healthy individuals, at night, albeit just a bit...I don't think/see how would exogenous 1mg amounts of Melatonin could even remotely reduce Testosterone as a side effect...(Not taking a shot honestly, just wanna see how come you think this and if CyForce has anything to say about it).
    This is just discussion, I don't think anyone thinks you're taking a shot ya clown

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Where would I find Melatonin dosed at less than 1mg? Most supplements I have found are around 3mg or more.
    I don't think NP has any, but just google 500mcg melatonin
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You're missing the point. Transient hormonal fluxes are meaningless. By this logic, I could also mention how melatonin causes a several hundred-fold % increase in growth hormone. But it doesn't matter, because it's transient. Also, melatonin is best supplemented when you are having endogenous release anyway (aka before bed), so again, the data is irrelevant in this regard.

    To put this into perspective, masturbation or sex will cause a transient drop in testosterone after orgasm. Are you going to forego those, or worry about their timing?

    Only in the world of BBers do the imperceptible minutia matter
    Yep, I am, I'm going to forego them all over the place

    Abstinence is the only way to go gentleman.

    My work here is done...

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    This is just discussion, I don't think anyone thinks you're taking a shot ya clown
    Why is he always taking shots bro?

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position
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    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Yep, I am, I'm going to forego them all over the place

    Abstinence is the only way to go gentleman.

    My work here is done...

    - Valdez
    If a nekked Mila Kunis entered your quarters, would you abstain???

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Why is he always taking shots bro?

    - Valdez
    Cuz da alcohol lowers T!!!!!!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Cuz da alcohol lowers T!!!!!!!
    Haha but don't forgot to take your 2g Alcar pre-drinking
    EvoMuse

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Cuz da alcohol lowers T!!!!!!!
    And proper Eye Sight according to the charity I did last friday night !
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Haha but don't forgot to take your 2g Alcar pre-drinking
    This man has been paying close attention indeed, A for effort good kind sir.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by ricroc View Post

    1. LCLT - only does on workout days? If no, when would be a good time to take on non-w/o days?
    2. Citrulline Malate - Between 3-9, what's the optimal dosage, or does one truly have to dial it in themselves?

    I keep coming back to this thread for all the juicy knowledge being given!
    Take both only on workout days. Most likely you are working out four days a week anyway.

    I like citrulline malate on the higher end- 8-9 grams. There has been a couple studies suggesting anaerobic benefits. However, try a variety of doses and see how you respond.
    EvoMuse

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    And proper Eye Sight according to the charity I did last friday night !
    Hahah, oh the wonders of teh booze
    EvoMuse

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    If a nekked Mila Kunis entered your quarters, would you abstain???
    Nobody answered the mans question! My answer, kind sir, is **** no I would not abstain.
    Training log:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/267913-jswains-training-log.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    Nobody answered the mans question! My answer, kind sir, is **** no I would not abstain.
    I don't think anyone can abstain...I do recall that out of all the ex-gfs I have had, I have always had:

    -The Golden Exception rule...meaning if either of us meet a real life Movie Star (or FEMALE Pornstar) it is not cheating if we take a shot and sleep with them...given that they want to haha. It's a philosophy to live by just in case you get lucky!
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  18. in for some knowledge
    -OMEGA RecoverBro-
    When an omega male is born it's game over



  19. Quote Originally Posted by p5sky View Post
    in for some knowledge
    We'll keep it coming.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by p5sky View Post
    in for some knowledge
    We'll keep it coming.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Hey fellas (and gals),

    I would like to create an easy reference point for those looking for effective stacks. I will be listing a few different stacks with ingredients that have been well received on the boards or have been researched.

    The stacks will include dosages and preferred timings. Please feel free to adjust or add/subtract information.

    Mitochondrial Optimization, AMPK Activation, & Peptide Hormone Release Stack:
    ALCAR - 2g
    Agmatine - 1g
    Na-R-Ala - 300mg
    PLCAR - 2g
    CoQ10 - 400mg (or 200mg of ubiquinol)

    -Dose PLCAR away from ALCAR
    -Dose PLCAR preworkout
    -Dose CoQ10 w/ PLCAR or dose CoQ10 w/ fats
    -Dose ALCAR, Agmatine, & Na-R-Ala 15-20 before a high-carb meal
    -Dose ALCAR on an empty stomach for study purposes

    Glutathione Boosting Stack:
    NAC - 600mg-1.2g
    TMG - 2.5g
    Selenium - 100-200mcg
    SAMe - 200-400mg

    -Dose TMG anytime of the day
    -Dose NAC & SAMe in the morning and evening
    -Keep an eye on additional selenium intake (i.e. other products containing selenium/brazil nuts/etc.)

    Ergogen Stack:
    Creatine - 2.5-5g (Preferred forms: Orotate/MCC/Nitrate/Monohydrate)
    Beta Alanine - 3.2g
    LCLT - 3g
    Citrulline Malate - 3-9g
    Caffeine - Dosage dependent on user
    Nitrates - As part of a designer product (e.g. Creatine Nitrate/Powershock/etc.)

    -Dose creatine on workout days only
    -Dose beta alanine any time of the day
    -Dose LCLT preworkout
    -Dose citrulline malate preworkout
    -Dose nitrates anytime before workout due to long half-life

    Health Stack:
    Fish/Krill Oil - 2-3g EPA/DHA
    Citicoline - 500mg-1g
    Magnesium - Depends on salt (Preferred forms: magnesium orotate/magnesium glycinate/magnesium taurate)
    B-Complex - Look for complex including cofactors (e.g. methylcobalamin/P5P/etc.)
    Vitamin C - 500mg (Plasma saturation is reached at 500mg)
    Melatonin - 250mcg-1mg
    Green Tea Extract - 750mg EGCG total daily (see notes below)

    -Dose fish oil & vitamin C as far away from workout as possible
    -Dose B-Complex with each meal
    -Dose citicoline in AM/PM
    -Dose magnesium at night
    -Dose 250mg EGCG before each meal to reach 750mg daily
    GREAT STUFF!!

  22. Granted, this is presented by people who really want to sell you melatonin, but it does seem to have a broad array of benefits. In the classic life extension-ista mindset..you have lots of melatonin when you are young, it declines greatly as you age, then your hair falls out and you prowl fitness boards trying to regain your former glory..er, oh wait, that's just internal monologue...


    LE Magazine, October 1996 - Update: New Findings On Melatonin

    A newer article...Beyond Sleep: 7 Ways Melatonin Attacks Aging Factors - Life Extension

  23. Hm seeing how there's many veterans of the sport and industry here...why not help domore update the first post, and add a:

    "Anti-Aging" natty stack or more like a "Older and wiser" stack for the declines that come for 35+ folk, it could help a lot of them that are barely arriving to the forum-prowling era of their lives.
    >SNS-Glycophase<
    Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Hm seeing how there's many veterans of the sport and industry here...why not help domore update the first post, and add a:

    "Anti-Aging" natty stack or more like a "Older and wiser" stack for the declines that come for 35+ folk, it could help a lot of them that are barely arriving to the forum-prowling era of their lives.
    Good idea, cel. I appreciate it.

  25. Nice info. Should MCC be taken only on workout days? Or just mono?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Nice info. Should MCC be taken only on workout days? Or just mono?
    Take it daily until you reach saturation, usually a month. After that, just take 3-5g on workout days only.

    Studies suggest that PCr levels remain elevated for some time, even if you aren't taking it at that time.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post

    Take it daily until you reach saturation, usually a month. After that, just take 3-5g on workout days only.

    Studies suggest that PCr levels remain elevated for some time, even if you aren't taking it at that time.
    Gotcha. Im taking SNS caps.. I've been on exactly a week daily @4 caps instead of 6 per coops rec. I'm thinking this might make it ok to take daily? I train m-f n sometimes on Saturday. So it's basically daily already lol

  28. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Gotcha. Im taking SNS caps.. I've been on exactly a week daily @4 caps instead of 6 per coops rec. I'm thinking this might make it ok to take daily? I train m-f n sometimes on Saturday. So it's basically daily already lol
    At four caps, it will put you at 3 grams per day, which is perfectly fine (I would listen to coop, he is the man in medicine ). Even if you are working out everyday, you could still take a day off here and there without PCr levels dropping (once you have reached saturation). It is up to you.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Hm seeing how there's many veterans of the sport and industry here...why not help domore update the first post, and add a:

    "Anti-Aging" natty stack or more like a "Older and wiser" stack for the declines that come for 35+ folk, it could help a lot of them that are barely arriving to the forum-prowling era of their lives.
    Excellent idea.

    Might consider an "Undermethylation Stack" as well
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