DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action
- 04-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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Most of the people in the supplement industry are good guys, and most have skirted the edges of legality more than once too.
04-10-2013, 03:36 PM
It is very easy for someone who is good natured and kind hearted to convince themselves that something sneaky or illegal they are doing is not a bad thing, and for the good of all in the end.
The funny thing is that I have known some of the best regarded and friendliest people in this industry that have done some shady and sloppy things business wise. And then you have guys like Ron Kramer who has a bad reputation in the social sense and has often rubbed people the wrong way, but whose commitment to quality control and staying legal is way up there
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04-10-2013, 04:41 PM
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04-10-2013, 05:56 PM
This is why I am not jumping on the Craze is tainted bangwagon.. I have used both the OG and the new batch, which I don't see a difference. Is it my favorite pre-workout, yes it is. But its not over the top better than the others I have tried. This feels nothing like the tainted stimulant X, it just gives me some focus, but not overwheming energy. I only use it 4 times a week, with no desire to use it any more. I don't get the major crash after, at least not any more than I get from other pre-workouts. I have not had any adverse side effects, my physicals have shown that I am healthy. I was all over Anabolic Xtreme, when they spiked their product, but the evidence was there and that supplement felt like no other legal supplement I have ever tried. If it is found to be tainted, then I eat my words, but till I see some hard evidence, I will continue to use it and will not bash Driven Sports. I do appreciate others who look out for us consumers, when it comes to shady companies and supplements, so hopefully we find something out here in the near future.
04-10-2013, 07:02 PM
Everyone becomes an insider without relying on any evidence...
Give the company a chance and no they can't instantly respond to such a huge Accusation because there is a thread on the internet....
04-10-2013, 07:38 PM
04-10-2013, 08:23 PM
If you have some "OG CRAZE", I have a lab all lined up to test it for you. PM me. I have some grape tubs that had been purchased from BB.com when it first came out. After I tried it, I knew nothing on the label could give the effect I felt. I had a few tubs shipped right from BB.com to the lab waiting for the day. Now I see this. I am interested in 3-4 other people that want to send in a sample also. I'll give you the lab report from the test.
It will not be proper chain of custody, but it wil be informative.
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04-10-2013, 11:27 PM
do the early lot numbers run in the 120's, i have essentially a barely used tub of craze but its in the 121's, that was before i was introduced to clear shot....
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04-11-2013, 07:55 AM
Not too my knowledge, but Google does
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04-11-2013, 08:38 AM
One thing i do agree with is you and bigsmith being able to give good legal advice since you both dragged your companies down with your illegal antics.
How many athletes careers did you help ruin? Can I get a quick 10-50k settlement from you as well?
04-11-2013, 08:53 AM
Not to feed into slappy but you realize that PA sold what he said he was? (Regardless of legality issues, which I'm not sure what the charges were).
However, spiking with chemicals that people don't know they're even buying is different. Both may be legal issues, but consumers are purposely purchasing one and unknowingly purchasing another.
I'd rather this stayed on topic, but I felt the need to differentiate when I see an improper argument
04-11-2013, 08:57 AM
Oh, yes, im sure what he went to prison for was all just a misunderstanding. Designing steroids to get around drug tests so athletes an cheat is the most noble of ideas.last time i checked, DS won their lawsuit. Pat didn't.
04-11-2013, 09:04 AM
One of the anabolics that i was sentenced for selling was madol. the same stuff that dozens of other companies later sold and made hundreds of thousands of dollars from without any interference whatsoever. nothing i sold to balco was controlled at the time, tell me how that was different than all the "prosteroids" everyone was selling at one time?
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