DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action
- 03-30-2013, 10:20 AM
- 03-30-2013, 12:44 PM
03-30-2013, 12:55 PM
I've never gotten the numbing sensation with original craze. I agree it does give a bit of a euphoric buzz similar to other stronger stimulants. I don't really get the crash from it though. Also, not sure what you mean about "natural" vs "synthetic" drugs. You can develop a tolerance to both just as easily. Caffeine is a great example. So is opium or codeine. Amphetamine is found naturally occuring as well. Regardless of whether its a plant extract or synthetic drug, the physiological effects are the same.
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03-30-2013, 01:25 PM
03-30-2013, 02:24 PM
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03-30-2013, 02:44 PM
I may be in the extreme minority. I have never noticed any sensation at all from taking any batch or flavor of Craze, except for heart palpitations and the feeling I'm about to have a heart attack.
03-30-2013, 03:18 PM
03-30-2013, 05:52 PM
Never had any heart palpitations or anxiety from craze. Have felt that with other pre's. Sometimes I do notice trouble sleeping, even after taking craze @ 1:00 pm & going to sleep @ 10:00 pm. My mind some times just doesn't shut down.
03-30-2013, 06:25 PM
03-30-2013, 06:41 PM
03-30-2013, 11:38 PM
Correct.the thread was about dshea compliance first, legality second. However, the case was dismissed all the testing of the lots came back clean.
Even PAs tests came back inconclusive from the first sample to the second, if I recall correctly.
Outside of user reports I haven't seen any hard evidence making me think any different. I went through two tubs of the "og" craze and got drug tested twice for potential jobs without any issue.
Id like to believe if it was an analog of a amphetamine that I'd fail the drug test our at least have a false positive.
Just my thoughts
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03-31-2013, 04:14 AM
1) I never once claimed that I do not experience a crash from Adderall. I crash from Adderall every day, though I have figured out ways to greatly diminish it. I said the crash I experience with Adderall is not near as harsh as the crash I experienced with OG Craze. I'll also add that, outside of taking a Xanax (which I hate to take), there wasn't really a good way to "ease" into the hard crash I'd get hit with by Craze.
2) I said that I believe OG Craze had a "drug-like" feel to it but never claimed it was or could be an amphetamine analouge or amphetamine-like substance. What I said was that a lot of the discussion about the Craze case was whether or not what they were (allegedly) spiking their supplement with was DSHEA compliant or how close the compound in question was, structurally, to Amphetamine.
If you go back and read some of my more recent posts it's obvious I realize the case has been dismissed. I simply stated, "Well, I guess the mystery will never be solved" regarding what gave OG Craze its' insane psychotropic properties.
I don't recall hearing of anyone failing a drug test while taking OG Craze, which would lead one to believe amphetamine analogues were not present. But just because the mystery substance in question wasn't something that shows up hot on a UA doesn't mean it is DSHEA compliant.
You're one of several people that have claimed that you've noticed no difference between the old and new Craze. I find it so bizzare that there's tons of people that claim what both of us are saying: That there is either a huge, noticeable difference between the two or absolutely no difference at all. That's great that it works for you, but don't discount the hundreds of people that have claimed the same thing I am: That OG Craze had a very drug-like, euphoric feel to it and the new version does not.
And while I understand the case was dismissed and DS never had a lot test "dirty", I'm a believer in the old adage that where there's smoke there's fire. Especially when you have so many people reporting the same results. Hell, maybe their whole "counterfit Craze" story is real after all. I HIGHLY DOUBT IT, but who knows.
Last thought: I don't know about later samples, but I seem to recall P.A.'s test of the first sample he recieved showing very high amounts of N-Benzyl-2-Phenylethylamine. It wasn't too long after that he started getting letters in the mail from DS's attorney's basically telling him to cease and desist telling the (alleged) truth about their product. So I guess whatever P.A. knows (and I believe he knows exactly what went on) he'll probably take to the grave with him. Either that or have it as an interesting footnote when he finally writes his tell-all book, outing the rats and crooks that used him as a scapegoat back in the day.
03-31-2013, 04:30 AM
would love to hear from a ds rep on the ASADA testing that has apparently turned up a banned substance (and undeclared on the label)
03-31-2013, 08:33 AM
I assume no one knows why the case was dismissed, or if its even dismissed for good. its likely that no amphetamine was found, and it was stupid for the plaintiff to assume it had amphetamines in the product in the first place
my gut tells me that there still is legal interest in this product, insofar as figuring out what the actives really are and whether they are compliant.
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03-31-2013, 11:06 AM
03-31-2013, 11:56 AM
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03-31-2013, 12:09 PM
if someone snuck a strong MAOI in a product along with a phenethylamine derivative (not alpha-methylated like amphetamines are) then one could possibly acheive amphetamine like activity.
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03-31-2013, 12:25 PM
03-31-2013, 12:36 PM
I would be curious for someone to hypothesise as to why the first tub I used felt like I had used a lidocaine throat spray and four subsequent tubs didn't.
That is the only reason I am still interested in this thread which appears to be going nowhere fast.
03-31-2013, 12:46 PM
03-31-2013, 12:50 PM
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03-31-2013, 02:27 PM
So what about those of us who felt nothing from taking any lot of Craze -- no energy, no crash, nothing except (when taking "OG" Craze) heart palpitations and actually having a harder time exercising (every time I take it, it feels like I must have already run 10 miles).
Pat, you need to come out with another groundbreaking stimulant that changes PWO's forever...
03-31-2013, 03:33 PM
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