DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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  1. People worry to much. Gezzz you can still build muscle & lose fat without supplements.

    Saying that, stock up on crazeeeeee! Lol.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    People worry to much. Gezzz you can still build muscle & lose fat without supplements.

    Saying that, stock up on crazeeeeee! Lol.
    One can go from point A to point B in different ways, point is, we should be able to decide our way
    as long as it doesn't damage other people.
    I don't see Craze as something that help me building muscles, it makes my workouts fun and I
    want to be able to keep using it.
    This thing is so incredibly stupid when you think about all the sh#t that you can legally buy
    that can actually harm you
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    One can go from point A to point B in different ways, point is, we should be able to decide our way
    as long as it doesn't damage other people.
    I don't see Craze as something that help me building muscles, it makes my workouts fun and I
    want to be able to keep using it.
    This thing is so incredibly stupid when you think about all the sh#t that you can legally buy
    that can actually harm you
    Hey man... I can this preworkout. It's fantastic. Gets your adrenaline pumping like none other. A real stimulant man. It's called a handgun, man! Go out and pop off a few rounds. Oh hell, maybe some Russian Roulette! Yea man... that ****'ll get ya blood pumpin. Life or death scenario? Mmm you'll be pumping out 1Klbs leg presses in NO TIME, brah!
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  4. I only have two tubs. Wondering if i need about 5 more now while its on sale...
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    I would not be the least bit surprised if a competitor ran mass spec on Craze and brought it up to lawyers they know or used. Something had to get ball rolling here for a law firm to spend time in money testing or performing due diligence.
    .
    I ran a mass spec on it but i never did anything with it. i couldnt figure out what the weird stuff i saw was. apparently someone else may have ran one and figured it out??

    you say mass spec is cheap and easy. thats relative. yeah if you own a mass spec it is. but if a supplement company wants to outsource the analysis of another companies products for contents unknown that is difficult and expensive. most supp companies scrape by, they are not rich
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post

    ANYWHO... the lawsuit. Oh noez! The FDA is taking something away again?? I'm shocked. I'm absolutely astounded. I can't believe that they are... oh, no, wait... I can totally believe it. Folks, whatever is in Craze, the feds could declare it "illegal" in a matter of days if they want. Instead of issuing a memorandum saying that as of April 1 all nutritional and sports supplements containing cocaplopadecalolamine must stop using that ingredient as it is being reclassified to a "controlled substance" and will cease all production and sales of that ingredient, they'll act and declare it unlawful and THEN come back and start pimp-slapping supplement companies and manufacturers. Is this surprising? Nope. Is this right? IMHO, nope. It's absolutely stupid and just another example of how retarded things have become in this country.

    .
    sorry but its not that easy. in fact it is not easy for the FDA at this current time.

    if it were they would have swept a ton of things away a long time ago
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't know who angelbolic is, but he makes some excellent points in here and other threads. That said, I'm fairly certain this will amount to nothing and remain skeptical until the final ruling is made. DS and the members of their team are far too intelligent to hype up a "spiked" product with no regard for legal ramifications. The amphetamine could be as simple as PEA or one of the homologs.

    PEA and its homologs dont do crap though and this product supposedly is drug like
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  8. one thing people are forgetting is often times the "spiking" of a supplement is done on the raw material end. Lets say Xiang Zhou or whatever tells you he has an amazing plant extract based on ancient chinese medicine and he sends you a sample and a C of A. You take it and are like "holy cow!" so you buy it in bulk and come out with a product containing it. But little did you know, Xiang has stuck a hard to detect designer stimulant in there. It could happen to any company, and in the case of erection supplements it has happened many times
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    one thing people are forgetting is often times the "spiking" of a supplement is done on the raw material end. Lets say Xiang Zhou or whatever tells you he has an amazing plant extract based on ancient chinese medicine and he sends you a sample and a C of A. You take it and are like "holy cow!" so you buy it in bulk and come out with a product containing it. But little did you know, Xiang has stuck a hard to detect designer stimulant in there. It could happen to any company, and in the case of erection supplements it has happened many times
    Lol aspire 36 pat...that was fun to be part of as a rep
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    one thing people are forgetting is often times the "spiking" of a supplement is done on the raw material end. Lets say Xiang Zhou or whatever tells you he has an amazing plant extract based on ancient chinese medicine and he sends you a sample and a C of A. You take it and are like "holy cow!" so you buy it in bulk and come out with a product containing it. But little did you know, Xiang has stuck a hard to detect designer stimulant in there. It could happen to any company, and in the case of erection supplements it has happened many times
    If what your saying relates to craze i cant wait to get mine in the mail. never tried it before but an adderall type focus sounds good to me.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007

    If what your saying relates to craze i cant wait to get mine in the mail. never tried it before but an adderall type focus sounds good to me.
    In my personal experience, yeah its great while working out...but afterwards it left me feeling like complete ****. Basically ruined my day all three times I took it..gave my tub away. There's something nasty in there, and that's coming from an x meth user
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    If what your saying relates to craze i cant wait to get mine in the mail. never tried it before but an adderall type focus sounds good to me.
    Yeah...it's a sweet feeling. Love the stuff...but be careful what you mix it with. I once topped off with 1/2 scoop of Jack3d and nearly puked in the gym. Usually mix with Hemavol and the two get along quite nicely.

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    PEA and its homologs dont do crap though and this product supposedly is drug like
    I didn't say they do. What's likely taking place is that there is a constituent of Dendrobex that is legally not presented on the label. It was a clever move by DS if that is indeed the case.

  15. That's a distinct possibility.

  16. what happened to bb.com thread

  17. Bozz'd.

  18. i didn't get to read the last 3 pages

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47

    One can go from point A to point B in different ways, point is, we should be able to decide our way
    as long as it doesn't damage other people.
    I don't see Craze as something that help me building muscles, it makes my workouts fun and I
    want to be able to keep using it.
    This thing is so incredibly stupid when you think about all the sh#t that you can legally buy
    that can actually harm you
    ^ Makes sense.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    ^ Makes sense.
    It always makes sense until somebody gets hurt.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It always makes sense until somebody gets hurt.
    oh come on.. Like craze is the devil now and is gonna wipe out human kind
    Funny tho' how products containing 1,3 are still out but that's ok, and that I know from experience is some nasty sh#t..
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    If what your saying relates to craze i cant wait to get mine in the mail. never tried it before but an adderall type focus sounds good to me.
    i have no idea what the situation specifically is with craze, but that is a possible scenario in any such situation
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I didn't say they do. What's likely taking place is that there is a constituent of Dendrobex that is legally not presented on the label. It was a clever move by DS if that is indeed the case.

    how can something be legally not presented on the label? if you dont disclose it on the label it is illegal. if what you are saying is true and they are standardizing for some consituent but not mentioning that consituent specifically on the label that is illegal. It may be clever risk taking but its still illegal.

    the chances of that being the case imo is less than one percent anyway

    edit: actually it would not be so clever because what you are suggesting would most certainly be patent worthy. so they could disclose on the label while protecting their invention with a patent
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    oh come on.. Like craze is the devil now and is gonna wipe out human kind
    Funny tho' how products containing 1,3 are still out but that's ok, and that I know from experience is some nasty sh#t..
    1,3 is disclosed on the label

    Once again dont take this as me specifically talking about craze because i dont know the facts but supplement companies get hurt when other companies steal customers by cutting corners. they have every right and duty to pursue competitiors that are doing such things. A recent example happened sith slim extreme by AX. Some folks from a couple of other supp companies came to me perturbed about the product and their suspicions that they were pulling a fast one. I tested the stuff and found something weird. with the help of some psychedelic chemist guy from bluelight.ru forum we figured out what the stuff probably was. i bought a standard and it was a perfect match. AX ended up getting confronted and they pulled the product.

    it seems to me that competitors are checking to see if DS is doing the same thing. there is nothing wrong with that. if false accusations are being made however that is not good. lets wait for the evidence to be disclosed
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  25. This is ALRI Venom and AX SlimXtreme all over again.

    Fall in love with product - it gets pulled for various reasons.

    I'm thankful for the people out there testing products and making dang sure Im not putting toxic, questionable, OR dangerous garbage in my system. That said, it sucks that the best supps always seesm to be the ones that are tainted or contain a suspect ingredient. Go figure. Can't win. LOL
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