DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Angelbolic View Post
    Which of the two is garbage and why?
    #1- ingredients made synthetically are totally allowable under DSHEA. The FDA may change this, however it has not been decided yet. As such, claiming that they used a synthetically made ingredient is the same thing as all of us realizing every vitamin,
    Mineral, hell... EVERYTHING made in this industry is synthetically produced.
    #2- there is ZERO proof there is anything illegal in the product(controlled substance).
    #3- this is being headed by a person + law firm. This means the end result will be a payout/settlement.


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  2. Solid first post..
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  3. lol @ the newbies who magically show up out of nowhere to feed like rabid dogs on the cannon fodder.

    Listen, folks. Some of us have been around here for a LONG time. Coming into a thread where a new person has just dropped a bombshell is about as credible as me walking into a hospital and slapping people as a cure for cancer. I don't know who the OP is, but I'm willing to bet that it's someone who is already on this board and is just posting this up to remain "anonymous" - in other words, a competitor who is acting to defame DS in order to better promote their competing product. Happens all the time here. It's a low and dirty tactic, but hey, some companies work like that. It's stupid, and to the consumer (YOU AND ME), it's really really low. Sometimes, the supplement industry people make politicians look like superheroes. Ugh...


    ANYWHO... the lawsuit. Oh noez! The FDA is taking something away again?? I'm shocked. I'm absolutely astounded. I can't believe that they are... oh, no, wait... I can totally believe it. Folks, whatever is in Craze, the feds could declare it "illegal" in a matter of days if they want. Instead of issuing a memorandum saying that as of April 1 all nutritional and sports supplements containing cocaplopadecalolamine must stop using that ingredient as it is being reclassified to a "controlled substance" and will cease all production and sales of that ingredient, they'll act and declare it unlawful and THEN come back and start pimp-slapping supplement companies and manufacturers. Is this surprising? Nope. Is this right? IMHO, nope. It's absolutely stupid and just another example of how retarded things have become in this country.

    So to all who have wanted to try it - go out and buy some Craze.
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  4. This may be a strong first post but I found the actual lawsuit filed this is no joke it won't let me post the link but if anyone wants to see the actual filed report I have the link.

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Subbdubbed
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop View Post
    Glad I never used this. I'd be pretty pissed if I lost my job bc my pre workout caused me to piss hot
    I took a UA hours after i ingested craze and was fine. I also took a home UA to see and did not test positive.

    Also some people are comical who show up in a thread and are nobodies to this board and start calling people retards when there is no need.
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  9. following....haven't got to try this stuff yet but looks like I might have too haha

  10. Craze is my first PWO experience. What is the typical time between when these actions take place and when product is pulled off the shelves. How much time do I have?

  11. http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/03/21/Craze.pdf there's the lawsuit filed for everyone to check out!

  12. I've read through the legal documents and the main takeaway is no one is claiming that testing has been done to PROVE anything. Maybe there has (vague language like "we have reason to believe..."), but at this point you can't quite say that DS is in the wrong.

  13. mail order amphetamines.... noice!!! GET SOME!
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  14. haha, i love craze. everyone has to ruin everyones fun. i'm stocking up!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    I took a UA hours after i ingested craze and was fine. I also took a home UA to see and did not test positive. Also some people are comical who show up in a thread and are nobodies to this board and start calling people retards when there is no need.
    Not sure UAs just hours after taking are reliable. Benzos taken a few hours before test won't show up.

    Synthetics are also wierd. Fentanyl is a string synthetic opiate and it won't show on any opiate UA panel. There are many opiates that have to have specific test for certain metabolites or they won't register on a UA. Synthetic amphetamine analogues may be the same way and won't hit unless have a specific test designed expressly for that substance.

  16. I agree here. I remember being able to buy GHB at the health food store along with some great PWOs in the late 80s and early 90s with ephedra and perhaps some PHs. I think stuff used to be cleaner back then before companies had to resort to designer crap like DMAA to get around bans. Government sucks and people should be able to do what they want with their bodies. Problem is, the supp industry does not need any more negative publicity right now so hopefully DS didn't do this. I have to say diubtful if one just thinks about the effect caused by Craze. Haha, seems like some are already hitting withdrawals just thinking about a ban. Makes me curious to try it out.

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  18. Don't let the analogue to amphetamine scare, as its still not an actual amphetamine, regardless. Its real simple if the FDA does not have a pharmaceutical company selling something of a synthetic base, then it cannot be sold. This is just a scare. Regardless this is no surprise as I knew WADA was gonna step in due to its legit muscle memory connection abilities, they really are a bunch of beta males. I mean who cares if an athlete benefits to some slight degree of using a pre workout. Gov't willl be gov't..
    doing my own thang!

  19. I don't know who angelbolic is, but he makes some excellent points in here and other threads. That said, I'm fairly certain this will amount to nothing and remain skeptical until the final ruling is made. DS and the members of their team are far too intelligent to hype up a "spiked" product with no regard for legal ramifications. The amphetamine could be as simple as PEA or one of the homologs.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't know who angelbolic is, but he makes some excellent points in here and other threads. That said, I'm fairly certain this will amount to nothing and remain skeptical until the final ruling is made. DS and the members of their team are far too intelligent to hype up a "spiked" product with no regard for legal ramifications. The amphetamine could be as simple as PEA or one of the homologs.
    this.


    The law firm suing DS does class actions against everyone, and each and every time they're money grabs.
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  21. well it's good hype cuz now I really wanna try CRAZE... maybe it was a DS insider (totally kidding)!! WINNING DUH!!!!
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  22. I am surprised that this has occurred ....so swiftly. After using the supplement a couple times I felt, maybe even hoped, that someone somewhere would take some action to have it analysed and assessed for safety because I had felt so awful after ingesting just half of the recommended dose. After having taking various illegal stimulants in my younger days, I knew something was amiss with this product as it left me feeling worse after the come down. Not being able to sleep for almost 24 hours after the first half dose was an entirely novel experience for me. Despite my experience I only commented on the supplement a couple of times, just to provide a balanced view because those who enjoyed it were so vocal and consequently I felt the supplement was being dangerously misrepresented.

    I would not at all be surprised if something untoward is found in this supplement.

    And for those supplement companies who think the public should take their views on this as credible merely on the grounds that they are competitors of DS should think again.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Don't let the analogue to amphetamine scare, as its still not an actual amphetamine, regardless. Its real simple if the FDA does not have a pharmaceutical company selling something of a synthetic base, then it cannot be sold. This is just a scare. Regardless this is no surprise as I knew WADA was gonna step in due to its legit muscle memory connection abilities, they really are a bunch of beta males. I mean who cares if an athlete benefits to some slight degree of using a pre workout. Gov't willl be gov't..
    It's really not that simple. You have to show that any new dietary supplement is safe for human consumption if it is not found regularly in the food supply. It's up to you as a supplement company to do this. Often times being innovative and differentiating your product requires significant scientific knowledge and some theory. Unfortunately that doesn't always add up to sound proof that your product is safe. Not because it isn't, but because it's harder to prove without excessive in vivo research. And as we know if there is a **** ton of positive research on a compound then everyone is going to sell it (ex, daa). I think we may forever see problems like this for companies that try to be a little more innovative and different. What's funny is we can still buy superdrol...

    It also doesn't have to be sold by pharma, it can be in clinicals still and it would no longer be considered a dietary supplement.

    I'm not saying craze doesn't adhere to those principles though. And I agree with you regarding the betas at WADA.
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  24. craze is disgusting. this doesnt surprise me one bit.

  25. Never tried craze myself but I'm curious if any users have experience with SAN Tight Xtreme?? Would like to know if effects were similar.

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