DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    I wonder why some people test positive and others dont. Ive taken two UAs on craze and was good both times.

    Hey jobless how long after you ingested craze did you take the UA?
    with 1,3-dimethylamylamine it seems sometimes people test positive sometimes they dont

    it may have to do with the concentration of the compound in the urine
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    with 1,3-dimethylamylamine it seems sometimes people test positive sometimes they dont

    it may have to do with the concentration of the compound in the urine
    And the test IIRC, i've seen a few posts about ppl popping on the 95%-98% accurate tests (going off of posts from members claiming to have popped) but from DS testing with 99% accurate tests I don't recall a single one popping.

    Makes me think a false positive occurs on the lower tests, you just retest with a more accurate test and it's fine.

    Hell, give a blood ir follicle(sp?) sample if you're going to retest.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Daycrawler View Post
    And the test IIRC, i've seen a few posts about ppl popping on the 95%-98% accurate tests (going off of posts from members claiming to have popped) but from DS testing with 99% accurate tests I don't recall a single one popping.

    Makes me think a false positive occurs on the lower tests, you just retest with a more accurate test and it's fine.
    .
    i was unawares that there are different levels of accuracy in tests
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    i was unawares that there are different levels of accuracy in tests
    I may be completely wrong, but I recall reading on bb that one test was 98% accurate and that was a reoccuring thing for that specific test...

    I'd call that a false positive. Speaking from memory and mine is kinda shot atm
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  5. Jobless is a troll...
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    This can't be real, i know if I popped I would raise a fuss and demand to be retested while submitting all the sups I'm taking. Lots of things will pop a test dude and people don't just get canned for it without a retest.
    A company does not "have" to give you a retest. Some states are right to work states and they dont need a reason to fire you...so if they dont want to bother with a retest , they dont have to

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by mw1
    A company does not "have" to give you a retest. Some states are right to work states and they dont need a reason to fire you...so if they dont want to bother with a retest , they dont have to
    Yea your right.... I guess I'm just luckier than most, if it is questionable at my job they will retest. You do bring up a good point I hadn't thought about. Or I'm more valuable at my job than jobless lol.
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  8. 3clipsegt: i took just under two scoops at around 11 am worked out at 1130 i find it worked the best if you gave it a half hour. and the test was done at 5pm saturday. I asked for a blood test or a second test and didn't get to. like i said before some people don't understand it, can't grasp the concept. for example go read the labels and ingredients in all your supplements to you mother or a elderly family member and ask them if they think what your taking is safe i guarantee they will all react badly especially if you test positive for meth and you tell them its possible that its because of one of your supplements , they will say "geez kid git off that crap its no good for you" bosses are no different they don't want the attention or the reputation in there work place either, you would be suprized how quickly people classify you as tainted and give you the cold shoulder. not everyone especially in a business work place are onboard with supplements.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    A company does not "have" to give you a retest. Some states are right to work states and they dont need a reason to fire you...so if they dont want to bother with a retest , they dont have to
    right to work lol

    more like right to fire
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    right to work lol

    more like right to fire
    Thats exactly what it means these days

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    A company does not "have" to give you a retest. Some states are right to work states and they dont need a reason to fire you...so if they dont want to bother with a retest , they dont have to

    If this is in fact true then I could see supplement companies being in danger of lawsuits. someone gets fired from a false positive and they blame the supplement company. maybe its a wise thing to put a false positive warning on the label, even if you arent sure its a possibility
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    If this is in fact true then I could see supplement companies being in danger of lawsuits. someone gets fired from a false positive and they blame the supplement company. maybe its a wise thing to put a false positive warning on the label, even if you arent sure its a possibility
    I agree with this and its sort of why I'm posting here just letting people know I'm a real person and this happened to me. it says in the pdf of the lawsuit at the bottom that the law firm was not looking for a pay out or to have and legal feels covered it asked them to comply with proper labelling and not misleading labelling, if there was a false positive warning on the label then i would have avoided the product due to the drug testing I'm am subject to, however that would hurt sales and is probably why its not on the label.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jobless

    I agree with this and its sort of why I'm posting here just letting people know I'm a real person and this happened to me. it says in the pdf of the lawsuit at the bottom that the law firm was not looking for a pay out or to have and legal feels covered it asked them to comply with proper labelling and not misleading labelling, if there was a false positive warning on the label then i would have avoided the product due to the drug testing I'm am subject to, however that would hurt sales and is probably why its not on the label.
    Um, sorry but they did that for a specific reason.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    From my testing the main compound in this formula appears to be (note i said appears) N-benzyl-2-phenylethylamine.

    I would not expect this compound to possess strong CNS stimulant activity but I am not entirely sure
    The same compound found in AX SuperSize, supposedly.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jobless

    I agree with this and its sort of why I'm posting here just letting people know I'm a real person and this happened to me. it says in the pdf of the lawsuit at the bottom that the law firm was not looking for a pay out or to have and legal feels covered it asked them to comply with proper labelling and not misleading labelling, if there was a false positive warning on the label then i would have avoided the product due to the drug testing I'm am subject to, however that would hurt sales and is probably why its not on the label.
    How many times a year do you get tested?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jobless View Post
    I agree with this and its sort of why I'm posting here just letting people know I'm a real person and this happened to me. it says in the pdf of the lawsuit at the bottom that the law firm was not looking for a pay out or to have and legal feels covered it asked them to comply with proper labelling and not misleading labelling, if there was a false positive warning on the label then i would have avoided the product due to the drug testing I'm am subject to, however that would hurt sales and is probably why its not on the label.

    Not to split hairs here, but if you knew you were getting drugged tested I probably would of avoided all stims just for a risk of getting flagged.
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  17. Mandatory is only once a year but there is lots of different reason to get tested throughout the year. On site it policy if there's an incident that all parties involved must go for testing Evan if it was not your fault and these sorts of things can happen any time without notice so it's not like you can plan around them and just go off your suppliments for a week prior because you don't always know when you'll have to test.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jobless View Post
    I agree with this and its sort of why I'm posting here just letting people know I'm a real person and this happened to me. it says in the pdf of the lawsuit at the bottom that the law firm was not looking for a pay out or to have and legal feels covered it asked them to comply with proper labelling and not misleading labelling, if there was a false positive warning on the label then i would have avoided the product due to the drug testing I'm am subject to, however that would hurt sales and is probably why its not on the label.
    i dont agree that it would hurt sales to any meaningful degree to have such a warning. one may make an argument that it could enhance sales, considering the psychology of the typical user
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by D2footballjrc View Post
    Not to split hairs here, but if you knew you were getting drugged tested I probably would of avoided all stims just for a risk of getting flagged.
    Agreed , I've learnt that the hard way craze if the first suppliment besides protien I've ever taken I'm a "noob" at this stuff. Honestly I didn't think anything of it.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by madchemist View Post
    The same compound found in AX SuperSize, supposedly.
    would u expect it to have any decent activity? i wouldnt but who knows. i got a sample coming from sigma aldrich, i will see if it matches up on the mass spec
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  21. Your probably right, wld add to the hype for sure and imply that it's so good it's barly legal. I would have appreciated a warning

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jobless
    Your probably right, wld add to the hype for sure and imply that it's so good it's barly legal. I would have appreciated a warning
    Fight for your job. How long have you been there? Any prior issues with disciplinary actions? If you have a good history with this company you need to fight.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mission1 View Post
    Fight for your job. How long have you been there? Any prior issues with disciplinary actions? If you have a good history with this company you need to fight.
    Thanks man, yeh I'm not letting it go I'm doing what I can to get it sorted out I'm going after a blood test and hair test and using the results to put a case together. Also getting the tub I currently have tested as well. I'll keep posting as this plays out.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by madchemist View Post
    The same compound found in AX SuperSize, supposedly.
    Supersize to me feels nothing close to Craze fwiw but thats just my experience.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by madchemist View Post
    The same compound found in AX SuperSize, supposedly.
    Doesn't the compound found in Supersize have an amide, not an amine, between the aromatic rings?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Doesn't the compound found in Supersize have an amide, not an amine, between the aromatic rings?

    that is correct and that makes it wholly different. the supersize molecule can hydrolyze to PEA and benzoic acid but in its parent form should have no cns activity
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i was unawares that there are different levels of accuracy in tests
    Haha, me too. Broader panels and etc., but not drug test that claim somewhat accurate and others that are just not accurate at all.

    Even funnier is that the military apparently chose that not really accurate at all test since dudes in military were popping positive after ingesting DMAA/Jack3d, but getting cleared on blood or mass spec.

  28. No way I'm waiting on mine to come in

  29. Quote Originally Posted by jobless View Post
    Hello everyone, just signed up today I have a msg i think is important. I started taking craze about 3 weeks ago and thought it worked pretty good and was happy with it till yesterday. yesterday was the day our company did its two year interval drug testing. I have never taken drugs in my life theres no chance anything would ever show up but yesterday I tested positive for meth amphetamines and it literally could not be from anything else. I'm not telling anyone i don't think they should take it or that its bad because i thought it worked great my work outs have been awesome! But if your like me and your at a job where drug testing is taking place and you care about your image and your job Iseriously recommend taking some time to research this. 80,000 dollars a year is no longer my income its now 0 dollars and a large company of some largely influential people are all under the assumption that I'm a [email protected] drug addict because most of them are in there 50's and they don't grasp the concept that a work out sup has the ability to trigger a bad piss test. so ya my life got severely F@#%ed with thanks DS CRAZE!!!

    this job and drug testing was in canada so not sure how that affects those of you who are in the u.s. but if you work in canada don't let this happen to you.
    I call BS, no offense. I have many friends who are in the military and have been drug tested, while using Craze, nothing, nada, zilch...not one positive test. Unbelievable the lengths some people will go to. :/

  30. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    A company does not "have" to give you a retest. Some states are right to work states and they dont need a reason to fire you...so if they dont want to bother with a retest , they dont have to
    This is an excellent point. It's worse for those applying for a job. You false positive, they're not inclined to do a re-test, despite your pleading. That costs money, and you're in no position to demand anything, in that instance...
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