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    Compound 20 ingredient released


    Just got the email. For those wondering what it is:
    N-Coumaroyldopamine & N-caffeoyldopamine
    Symplocos Racemosa Extract (standardized for triterpenoids


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    I believe bitter melon has triterpenoids
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    It also contains:
    N-Coumaroyldopamine & N-caffeoyldopamine

    Added it to the original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    It also contains:
    N-Coumaroyldopamine & N-caffeoyldopamine

    Added it to the original post.
    I believe that is in Theobroma cacao


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    whats your guys take on these ingredients
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    IC release only lets a person buy 1 bottle...aren't most loggers not really feeling anything until like end of week 2...week 3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    IC release only lets a person buy 1 bottle...aren't most loggers not really feeling anything until like end of week 2...week 3?
    Pretty much. I'm testing it now with about 9 days left. I myself am tempted to buy a bottle to finish a solid 8 week run or maybe up the dosage to 6 caps a day, but I don't see the appeal of this IC release if you aren't already testing it unless the price is going to be $40+ a bottle afterwards (I know it says the MSRP is $70 but we all know that's not what it'll be at Nutra).
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    I agree a person needs two bottles too make a good run at it
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    So is this another usp over hype or is it worth the 36$ price tag? I haven't been following the logs just read the right up.
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    Sounds like a lot of hype to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    I believe that is in Theobroma cacao


    Correct.
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    If it weren't for the debacle that was Pink Magic, I would probably buy this, today and even have a friend buy another bottle. However, that still has left not a sour taste in my mouth, but perhaps more of a lack of trust.

    The logic behind this sounds great and theoretically makes sense to me. I'd rather wait until it's a little more tried and true, though. Whenever this "world's greatest product" hits, it'll either stick around because of sales, will fade away (for the same reason), or get banned. Either way, I feel confident in waiting. And heck, even if it ended up costing MSRP down the road, but there were enough studies, trials, etc. on it, it would be worth it at that point.
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    I agree with midwestbeast -

    Already have to much on my list of "want to try next" anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoooter
    I agree with midwestbeast -

    Already have to much on my list of "want to try next" anyway
    Ugh I know! I have literally through august 2012 planned supplement wise. Much of it is new stuff like primal male, Prometheus rising, hgh up, etc, various daa blends, lean extreme, etc.. I have NO idea where to fit this stuff in OR what to replace it with OR possibly add onto.. I don quite understand how it's supposed to work, it says twice daily with food basically.. One serving w breakfast and snother 6-8 hours later or with pre workout Well uh.. I follow lean gains and do not have a Pwo meal OR breakfast... So yea.. Really quite confused by this product. Want to try it none the less.. Just not sure how or when!!
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    So in a nutshell, what the hell is this n how/why should one use it?? Lol
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    If you're following IF, you'd want to take your first dose with meal 1 and your last dose with your final meal; still should be spread out by 8 hours. When I tried IF for a while, I had my lifting sandwiched in between my eating times, though. I still don't like the concept of working out fasted (other than something light).
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    And if you base it off of their write-up, a condensed version would be that it's supposed to work like clen, but with no spill-over that affects your body with negative sides and is dosed at a level where you not only get the fat-burning benefits, but the muscle building benefits, as well.

    Again, on paper, this sounds great. I'll say that the beta logs look good, too, but I'm still waiting until it hits retail and is logged/studied more regularly/in-depth.
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    I was just thinking about this after my last post and while I was driving somewhere. I may be completely off base here, but I wanted to spew my uncollected thoughts out on here before it slipped my mind. If this is affecting the same receptors as clen, then wouldn't operating at a 2 weeks on/2 weeks off method prove to be more beneficial? Wouldn't 8 weeks straight not be a good thing? What about using keto or benadryl to cleanse receptors?

    I may be way off in all that, but it's what came to mind. As I always point out, I have virtually NO science background (yet), so it was just a thought.
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    Sadly they arn't doing the pre-release outside the US either, the Inner Circle deal is also a bit of a let down based on what they have done before, so I'm probably gonna sit this one out.

    Anyone found a good log on this? There's a sea of them on the USP site but most we're drawn out with not much information. Hard to find a quality log among the masses.

    Also heard some people saying it was basically ursolic acid and some other stuff, but haven't found any evidence to support that. Anyone find any truth in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Sadly they arn't doing the pre-release outside the US either, the Inner Circle deal is also a bit of a let down based on what they have done before, so I'm probably gonna sit this one out.

    Anyone found a good log on this? There's a sea of them on the USP site but most we're drawn out with not much information. Hard to find a quality log among the masses.

    Also heard some people saying it was basically ursolic acid and some other stuff, but haven't found any evidence to support that. Anyone find any truth in that?
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    I admittedly haven't followed any logs outside of this one. I've beta-tested the last 2 product releases (Pink Magic and Yok3d) over on the USP forums and didn't bother following anything, this time.

    SourDough does an excellent job logging/reviewing, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Molding The Dough with Compound 20 (Beta Test)

    I admittedly haven't followed any logs outside of this one. I've beta-tested the last 2 product releases (Pink Magic and Yok3d) over on the USP forums and didn't bother following anything, this time.

    SourDough does an excellent job logging/reviewing, though.
    This log is great. Been following since the beginning. SHows you what it does,and how it affects him. In very good detail!
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    Is it me or has the IC release gotten worse and worse? I remember Jacked's IC was epic, and it was a good deal for Modern BCAA's, and some other decent ones.
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    yea it was quite disappointing and thus will probably not be buying this

    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Is it me or has the IC release gotten worse and worse? I remember Jacked's IC was epic, and it was a good deal for Modern BCAA's, and some other decent ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Is it me or has the IC release gotten worse and worse? I remember Jacked's IC was epic, and it was a good deal for Modern BCAA's, and some other decent ones.
    The BCAA deal was fantastic. If I recall, the Pink Magic release was pretty solid, too (2 Pink Magics, 1 Prime, 1 P-Slin for $90 or $100 shipped -- I THINK). I was in on the TNA re-release deal and I think the OEP release was my first IC purchase (had only learned about USP very shortly before that).
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    Yeah kinda disappointed with the ic release. Samples be the the surprise/draw.... Hmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Yeah kinda disappointed with the ic release. Samples be the the surprise/draw.... Hmm
    The one thing I'll say, is Jacob could surprise everyone by having that "sample" be the new flavor of Jack3d or something like that, which would turn the purchase into a win for everyone.

    The deal isn't even what keeps me from purchasing, though. I've got no problems paying $100 for something if it truly works and is worth it; especially if someone offers money back if it doesn't deliver. What I'm personally sick of, though, is rushing into a bunch of "great deals" and ending up with stuff that may work, but is marginal (not saying that will be the case here).

    Think about it, though. I'm not talking about just USP; I'm talking in general. Think about how many products you've seen come out for as long as you've been following supplements that have claimed to be so fantastic. How many of them A) lived up to the hype, but more importantly, B) are still around?! Like I said earlier, stuff does 1 of 3 things:

    1) It sticks around because it's decent, good, great, or just has a cult following.
    2) It flops and we never see it again (other than in the supplement auction lol).
    3) It's amazing and the government finds a reason to ban it.

    I'm much more cautious in my supplement purchase, these days. I'm confident that anything I want will be around long enough to prove itself before I purchase it. And I'd rather save my money from all these "great release deals" and pool it together to pay a chunk of change for something I know will deliver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
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    I admittedly haven't followed any logs outside of this one. I've beta-tested the last 2 product releases (Pink Magic and Yok3d) over on the USP forums and didn't bother following anything, this time.

    SourDough does an excellent job logging/reviewing, though.
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    Seems like USP's rep has taken a hit post Pink Magic. These releases use to create a much bigger buzz whether the discussion was positive or negative. BB.com, that cess pool, is barely talking about it. I'm interested in it personally but things have certainly changed.
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    Yeah your right. Although I would have definitely purchased had the deal been something like two for 40$ deal or 50$ even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Seems like USP's rep has taken a hit post Pink Magic. These releases use to create a much bigger buzz whether the discussion was positive or negative.
    You are certainly correct. Once you get through the stylistic writing of their write-up, it's pretty interesting stuff. That being said, I'm still happy to wait and watch this stuff unfold.
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    You definitely need +2 bottles to run at higher dose IMO.
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    I guess my ? Is What goals Would this be geared at? I know that goals r more training/nutrition based, so what would it work best with to be specific.. I've never user clen or really researched it.. Which I'm assuming they best the effects to be similar to that of clen?? So like a lean bulk or preserving cut ? I know it's SO early to talk about but.. I can't help myself! Lol
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    If this operates as advertised, it would be versatile for any goal (similar to Anabeta, but the write-up makes it sound exponentially more effective). Sourdough has put on 8 lbs and appears to have trimmed up his midsection just a bit, too. So, bulking without fat gain, cutting without losing muscle, or recomping and falling right in between both.

    I'm looking forward to what the next several months show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast
    If this operates as advertised, it would be versatile for any goal (similar to Anabeta, but the write-up makes it sound exponentially more effective). Sourdough has put on 8 lbs and appears to have trimmed up his midsection just a bit, too. So, bulking without fat gain, cutting without losing muscle, or recomping and falling right in between both.

    I'm looking forward to what the next several months show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    I was just thinking about this after my last post and while I was driving somewhere. I may be completely off base here, but I wanted to spew my uncollected thoughts out on here before it slipped my mind. If this is affecting the same receptors as clen, then wouldn't operating at a 2 weeks on/2 weeks off method prove to be more beneficial? Wouldn't 8 weeks straight not be a good thing? What about using keto or benadryl to cleanse receptors?

    I may be way off in all that, but it's what came to mind. As I always point out, I have virtually NO science background (yet), so it was just a thought.
    Clen has to be taken 2 weeks on/off for 2 reasons

    1) Long half life

    2) high selectivity

    If you take beta agonists with less slecetivity and/or shorter half lives, you can take them more frequently. Examples: Ephedrine, Albuterol, Higenamine, Methyl-synephrine

    The structure of the C20 beta agonists here are pretty cool...there is a good article on the net that explains their data and shows a picture.

    Their comparisons to known beta-agonists are also very cool...I did not read into what the half lives may be so I cannot comment on if its short or long
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Clen has to be taken 2 weeks on/off for 2 reasons

    1) Long half life

    2) high selectivity

    If you take beta agonists with less slecetivity and/or shorter half lives, you can take them more frequently. Examples: Ephedrine, Albuterol, Higenamine, Methyl-synephrine

    The structure of the beta agonists here are pretty cool. Their comparisons to known beta-agonists are also very cool...I did not read into what the half lives may be so I cannot comment on if its short or long
    Are those two still in AT2? Or perhaps im confusing the PES product with something else?
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    Higenamine is in AT2, it replaced methyl-syn in the formula
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Higenamine is in AT2, it replaced methyl-syn in the formula

    Ah, okay remember seeing um both in AT2. Makes sense because I have taken both

    Love um. Thanks for the quick reply man!
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    Still have to try Higenamine!
  

  
 

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