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    I think prime at a high dose and c20 is going to b a killer stack

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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    I believe bitter melon has triterpenoids
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    I think prime at a high dose and c20 is going to b a killer stack
    Minus the prime
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    U are saying not to stack
    I read it as he doesn't like Prime.

    I actually enjoyed Prime very much, but it's horridly expensive (it works, though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool
    Seems like USP's rep has taken a hit post Pink Magic. These releases use to create a much bigger buzz whether the discussion was positive or negative. BB.com, that cess pool, is barely talking about it. I'm interested in it personally but things have certainly changed.
    U never got to try it?
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    I honestly thought this product was in a way similar to glycobol.


    Nice post on the ingredients E.
    I'll have to google later to see what they do.
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    Nope. A couple different reps told me they would send me a bottle to log but haven't come through
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    A couple different reps? Usplabs has one that I know of
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    A couple different reps? Usplabs has one that I know of
    Usp product-ed and Borobulker I believe. Same guy?
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    Now we talking pink magic or c20 because the project Ed guy wasn't around then and I believe the Ed guy is the owner but I could b wrong
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    Talkin c20. I purchased pink magic and was not happy with it
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    Well I'm surprised they usually deliver if they say there going to send u something. Maybe redirect them to the post stating they would
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    Well I'm surprised they usually deliver if they say there going to send u something. Maybe redirect them to the post stating they would
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    Yea I'm not upset or anything, I'm sure they have alot more important stuff going on. I sent some PMs but never heard back. They do usually make good so we ll see
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    Crazy, they've always been generous and always sent me my stuff pronto
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    They're rarely on AM. If you want to get a hold of them or get the product, I'd suggest going to their personal forum. Product-Edu on here is Jacob, I would assume, and Brobulker is Casey Bard (VP, I think?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    I believe that is in Theobroma cacao


    Yes sir, you would need to consume HUGE amounts of the finest extract twice a day to reach affective concentrations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USProduct-Edu View Post
    Yes sir, you would need to consume HUGE amounts of the finest extract twice a day to reach affective concentrations.
    BIG agreement there!

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    Ya I don't understand why they have a forum if it's going to b locked
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightposite View Post
    Yeah kinda disappointed with the ic release. Samples be the the surprise/draw.... Hmm
    34.99 free shipping.

    It will retail at 49.99 on line.

    Not to bad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by USProduct-Edu View Post
    34.99 free shipping.

    It will retail at 49.99 on line.

    Not to bad...
    What are the samples?
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    http://www.ergo-log.com/cacaoclenbuterol.html

    http://www.fasebj.org/content/19/6/497.abstract

    There is good data on the compounds, I posted these in the other C20 thread. The first article might be a little easier to understand
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    http://www.ergo-log.com/cacaoclenbuterol.html

    http://www.fasebj.org/content/19/6/497.abstract

    There is good data on the compounds, I posted these in the other C20 thread. The first article might be a little easier to understand
    unfortunately, the human body readily excretes catechols and so these compounds will have half lives of 2-5 minutes
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    Quote Originally Posted by madchemist

    unfortunately, the human body readily excretes catechols and so these compounds will have half lives of 2-5 minutes
    What does that mean, will it be ineffective or ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    What does that mean, will it be ineffective or ...
    Check the logs bromo!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool
    Check the logs bromo!!!
    Ive read them.. Mad chemist Is talking about half lives.. I'm wondering if that means it's outta ur system quick=ineffective... Just a ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ive read them.. Mad chemist Is talking about half lives.. I'm wondering if that means it's outta ur system quick=ineffective... Just a ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by madchemist View Post
    unfortunately, the human body readily excretes catechols and so these compounds will have half lives of 2-5 minutes
    It's a good thing my Shake Weight workout sessions only last 2-5 mins....whew....close one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Nope. A couple different reps told me they would send me a bottle to log but haven't come through
    ****, on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    What does that mean, will it be ineffective or ...
    i retract my previous statement.

    after looking at some similar molecules, the half lives of these compounds may be upwards of an hour.

    obviously this is much shorter then ephedrine (3-6 hrs), albuterol (4-6 hrs), or clenbuterol (35 hrs), but it's still better then other recent sympathetic drugs like N-methyltyramine (~5 min).
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    Quote Originally Posted by USProduct-Edu View Post
    ****, on the way.
    told u, jacob doesnt mess around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    pharmacokinetics. its all about the pharmacokinetics
    It's true this will be a substrate for COMT, but to say that you can predict the half-life based upon that is nonsense. Despite the comment about, "it's about pharmacokinetics" he's not displaying much of an appreciation for it, considering that no pharmacokineticist in the world would pretend to know what the half-life of a compound will be simply looking at the structure. That's why you study pharmacokinetics to answer those questions! That's science, not wizardry. Sure, based upon the structure, you can make general suppositions like compared to clenbuterol or salbutamol, this compound will likely have higher clearance and lower oral bioavailability because the former have done things like substitute the 3-OH for a hydroxymethyl group or use chlorine instead of the OH groups, all of which will make them more resistant to COMT.

    So, yes, sure bioavailability and half-life are likely to be lower with this compound, but to pretend as if you know exactly how much is just nonsense and wizardry, not science. It's also ignoring potentially different phases of metabolism.

    Second, it's not all just about pharmacokinetics. It's also about pharmacodynamics and specifically in this case, potency. If the concentration needed to elicit the desired response is much lower, then you don't need as high of bioavailability.

    This is also ignoring whether a COMT inhibitor is included.

    Plus, sulfation is still another step in the metabolism of beta 2-adrenoceptor agonists and because of that most all of them have rather low bioavailability. This doesn't stop them from being used orally.
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    i don't believe anyone has given a precise half life, but you can make some general guestimations based on similar compounds.

    the benzene hydroxyls are definitely vulnerable to methylation and conjugation. a COMT inhibitor would help.

    the most common b2 agonist used orally is clenbuterol which has an oral bioavailability of over 80%.

    notice that it is not a catechol.

    coming back to the compounds listed in the original post: after hydrolysis you will be left with two compounds - neither of which will have any beta-adrenergic activity.

    so, the only activity these compounds possess is when they are completely intact - a very precarious position to be in, from a metabolic standpoint
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    Is this C20 supp all natural, and has it the potential to be any good?
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Is this C20 supp all natural, and has it the potential to be any good?
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    did u read the write up
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito

    did u read the write up
    Doubtful. Dude is EVERYWHERE with BOGUS pointless questions. For real mini Arnold. Like go away.. Every one answers your questions once, ten you ask them again on different threads looking for a different answer. It's so effing annoying. Yiu claim experience and knowledge yet you ask questions like you've never even taken a multi vitamin. It's kinda sad. Please stop wasting veryones time
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    Quote Originally Posted by madchemist View Post
    i retract my previous statement.

    after looking at some similar molecules, the half lives of these compounds may be upwards of an hour.

    obviously this is much shorter then ephedrine (3-6 hrs), albuterol (4-6 hrs), or clenbuterol (35 hrs), but it's still better then other recent sympathetic drugs like N-methyltyramine (~5 min).

    whatever happened to the NMT hype? People were claiming it was a good replacement for 1,3 and i was like no way jose
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