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    the goal with DAA


    So I guess the goal is to have a test boost for two or three weeks, and get off of it before estrogen becomes a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    So I guess the goal is to have a test boost for two or three weeks, and get off of it before estrogen becomes a problem?
    Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
    Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?

    Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
    Why not use a mild AI while extending a DAA cycle to a month or longer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?

    Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
    Are you asking me? I'm not an expert, but you have good questions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Are you asking me? I'm not an expert, but you have good questions!
    Sorry for the confusion king, but I was hoping to get a response from Dr. D regarding the subject matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?

    Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
    I use L-Dopa to keep prolactin at bay. Pretty much anything that raises your dopamine levels should work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Would there be a potential estrogen related issue if the D-AA was dosed according to the original study (12 on, 12 off)?

    Also, what are you thoughts on D-AA and prolactin levels? Would you recommend using a prolactin antagonist, such as Vitamin B6/P-5-P, during the dosing period?
    There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
    Excellent! Thank you for the detailed response!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    Why not use a mild AI while extending a DAA cycle to a month or longer?
    Yes, just for extra insurance. It doesn't seem to be necessary, but I don't think it hurts. Some AI's can actually antagonize the steroidogenic mechanism of DAA, but 7-MF seems like a solid natural choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSalcedo View Post
    I use L-Dopa to keep prolactin at bay. Pretty much anything that raises your dopamine levels should work.
    Yep, just a smidgen before bed with do ya! Too much and I get kinda queezy though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa....hold the phone. Dr. D is back? This may be bigger news than any info given in this thread
    DW, it's been awhile since I heard from you man! Wow, years maybe. Thanks for welcoming me back.
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    I have been using DAA since sometime in June at the 3 grams dose daily first thing in the morning. I have had no estrogen problems. According to the the study on DAA prolactin levels were only slightly increased but stayed within normal range. What is all this rage about prolactin and estrogen? if you keep your dose to 3.12 grams daily there won't be any problems.
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    Hey Dr D, nice to see you back too Are you using whats sold as straight DAA, or are you using sodium d-aspartate as was used in most of the studies? The only studies i've seen using straight DAA are injected (in vivo at least) in rats. I figure the combination of NaDA, and Applied Nutriceuticals Free Test, as well as something like Activate Extreme would be overall a hugely potent + and synergistic supplement stack (and i'll be finally starting in a couple weeks, ordered huge quantity of NaDA )
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr View Post
    if you keep your dose to 3.12 grams daily there won't be any problems.
    but 3.13grams and you're just asking for trouble bub

    I didn't mean any negativity by this, just found it funny you put 3.12gr. I dont know anything about DAA
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    Dr.D, you ran it a half a year straight!?! any side effects long term to look out for? *besides hormonally* like is it slightly toxic to any organs that may build up over time or whatever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
    can you please explain how forskolin amplify's the risk of sides, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Hey Dr D, nice to see you back too Are you using whats sold as straight DAA, or are you using sodium d-aspartate as was used in most of the studies? The only studies i've seen using straight DAA are injected (in vivo at least) in rats. I figure the combination of NaDA, and Applied Nutriceuticals Free Test, as well as something like Activate Extreme would be overall a hugely potent + and synergistic supplement stack (and i'll be finally starting in a couple weeks, ordered huge quantity of NaDA )
    Hey EZ! What's poppin'?

    I've tried the DL, the pure D, the free acid and the Sodium salt. The DL had distinctly more CNS activity, not sure if I liked it at 6g, but 4.5 wasn't too bad. The pure D is great at ~3g per day (plus or minus) or 2.3g/d stacked with 25mg Forskolin. Forskolin definitely seems to reduce the amount of DAA required and vice-versa. They have overlapping steroidogenic mechanisms. As far as salts, it seems to make very little difference, if any. I can feel the free acid kick in just as fast, that subtle yet distinct mental sensation I get from DAA (kind of an focus factor feeling.) I like one dosing it in the morning on an empty stomach too, but that's probably not super important. The Sodium salt is just fine too, but it requires a bit more than the free acid. The only real advantage in salts are solubility, if you wanna dissolve it in a shake or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    Dr.D, you ran it a half a year straight!?! any side effects long term to look out for? *besides hormonally* like is it slightly toxic to any organs that may build up over time or whatever?
    You know me bro, constantly testing something! I've really tried to wreck myself over the years, but I just keep on surviving somehow, lol. I guess God ain't done with me yet.

    No, I haven't noticed any subtle long-term sequela, or significant acute toxicity either. Like I said, the DL-AA seemed a little rough to me. I didn't trust the feeling enough to keep testing it, even though it's super cheap compared to D-AA. After all these years I have a pretty good feel for the intrinsic toxicity of things, and DAA seems like it's inherently "pretty ok". I would still suggest cycling it though (like most things, even creatine) as far as a long-term strategy.

    My wife asked me tonight if I was "taking something" because she said my back looked a little bumpy. It's funny I had kinda noticed it myself about a month or so ago, but I haven't cycled any phs in over 2 years, so I guess the only side so far is possibly slight acne.

    As far as long-term positives, I haven't experienced any major joint healing of old injuries, which I was hoping for since DAA might theoretically repair old connective probs. I have noticed also that I got the "old man nads" more, kinda reminiscent of an hCG effect. Not sure if you'd necessarily consider that a benefit or a side effect though, lol. It could be useful to antagonize certain post-cycle issues I'd bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    You know me bro, constantly testing something! I've really tried to wreck myself over the years, but I just keep on surviving somehow, lol. I guess God ain't done with me yet.

    No, I haven't noticed any subtle long-term sequela, or significant acute toxicity either. Like I said, the DL-AA seemed a little rough to me. I didn't trust the feeling enough to keep testing it, even though it's super cheap compared to D-AA. After all these years I have a pretty good feel for the intrinsic toxicity of things, and DAA seems like it's inherently "pretty ok". I would still suggest cycling it though (like most things, even creatine) as far as a long-term strategy.

    My wife asked me tonight if I was "taking something" because she said my back looked a little bumpy. It's funny I had kinda noticed it myself about a month or so ago, but I haven't cycled any phs in over 2 years, so I guess the only side so far is possibly slight acne.

    As far as long-term positives, I haven't experienced any major joint healing of old injuries, which I was hoping for since DAA might theoretically repair old connective probs. I have noticed also that I got the "old man nads" more, kinda reminiscent of an hCG effect. Not sure if you'd necessarily consider that a benefit or a side effect though, lol. It could be useful to antagonize certain post-cycle issues I'd bet.
    ive been on it about 40 days so far and acne is clearly increased but the overbearing sex drive only lasted like 3 weeks then it went back to normal. any blood tests long term or have u noticed it losing effect? i kinda miss that feeling of never being satisfied lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by giantbrandon View Post
    can you please explain how forskolin amplify's the risk of sides, thanks
    Forskolin is a fairly indiscriminate stimulant of cAMP mediated steroidogenesis, just like DAA. So, they have similar side-effect potential as far as estrogen and prolactin production. I have never experience a problem in those areas with either compound, together or separate, but forskolin does mess with my stomach at doses over 25-30mg. The dose is supposed to be 50mg though. So adding DAA has worked great, because now I can utilize a lower dose of forskolin and still get results from it! I like the combo. Even though I don't think DAA is all that bad, stacking the forskolin also allows me to keep the dose of DAA as low as reasonably achievable and still get results from it too, as a nice synergistic combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    ive been on it about 40 days so far and acne is clearly increased but the overbearing sex drive only lasted like 3 weeks then it went back to normal. any blood tests long term or have u noticed it losing effect? i kinda miss that feeling of never being satisfied lol
    I do have some guys running blood on various DAA protocols, but I'm not at this point. I actually think the effects are getting more pronounced for me though, rather than leveling off. It accumulates, so it makes sense. I was thinking about cutting back to about 1-1.5g/day for awhile, and see how long I could ride a lower dose now that I'm well loaded.

    As far as libido goes, it's really hard for me to say bro. It seems like I'm pretty much steady state ready to rock and roll as usual, but my wife is prego again so she's not always a very "cooperative" female test subject anymore.

    You might add some Fenugreek extract to your stack. I just tested 4 guys on 900mg/day of solo testofen (50% extract) and they all reported a degree of libido increase. I think it stacks well with the DAA too.
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    I have some bulk DAA in the mail. Time to get the CC back out & get some testofen..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    There could be that risk, but I have not encountered it so far. I've experimented with DAA over about the last half a year, from 2.3g to 4.6g daily. I've even stacked it with Forskolin, which should theoretically amplify the risk of sides, but I've had no probs at all. I've stacked it with 7-MF too, which doesn't seem to be necessary, but adds another synergist to test production and extra insurance for guys that are gyno prone. I am exceptionally estro sensitive and still haven't found a dose or combo that's problematic. This ingredient seems pretty versatile and non-threatening as far as prolactin and estrogen.
    Gee, that combination of ingredients sounds like a WIN in my book! I wonder if there are any products out there that might have a similar formulation. That would be pretty killer!!

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    Good Thread.

    Always great to see Dr.D around.

    I just started my third tub of DAA this week. Haven't noticed any sides. The first two tubs were TestForce, and the third is NP's DAA. I figure I'll run through this third tub, and then maybe go off for about a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf0420 View Post
    Good Thread.

    Always great to see Dr.D around.

    I just started my third tub of DAA this week. Haven't noticed any sides. The first two tubs were TestForce, and the third is NP's DAA. I figure I'll run through this third tub, and then maybe go off for about a month.
    VERY good thread....highly informative, tks all!

    Lonewolf, you running the DAA alongside anything else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf0420 View Post
    Good Thread.

    Always great to see Dr.D around.

    I just started my third tub of DAA this week. Haven't noticed any sides. The first two tubs were TestForce, and the third is NP's DAA. I figure I'll run through this third tub, and then maybe go off for about a month.
    Hey lonewolf, have you noticed any differences between TestForce and NP's D-AA?

    Also, what do you find is the best way to take the bulk D-AA? Mixed with juice, powdered flavoring, protein shake, straight up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Hey lonewolf, have you noticed any differences between TestForce and NP's D-AA?

    Also, what do you find is the best way to take the bulk D-AA? Mixed with juice, powdered flavoring, protein shake, straight up...
    Today is only day 2 of using NP's DAA, so I can't say that I've noticed a difference.

    I take my DAA upon waking, usually mixed with some cranberry juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yes. Or, estrogen formation can be attenuated simultaneously.
    and the up in prolactin rigth Señor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    and the up in prolactin rigth Señor?
    Si senor!

    Like some other guys have mentioned, fat dosing Vit. B-6 at night (which I would only do for short periods of time because of neuropathy risk) or taking dopaminergic herbs like Mucuna at night or St. John's Wort in the morning would be my first considerations if it became a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Si senor!

    Like some other guys have mentioned, fat dosing Vit. B-6 at night (which I would only do for short periods of time because of neuropathy risk) or taking dopaminergic herbs like Mucuna at night or St. John's Wort in the morning would be my first considerations if it became a problem.
    St. John's Wort low prolactin.... too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    St. John's Wort low prolactin.... too?
    Palabra tu su madre! (did I say that right?)

    http://www.psychotropical.com/St_Joh...Efficacy.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Palabra tu su madre! (did I say that right?)

    http://www.psychotropical.com/St_Joh...Efficacy.shtml

    ¿la palabra de tu madre? LOL
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    I've been taking Propadrol ep for about 4 days it has 3 grams of daa and 200mg of there AI per serving. I'll report back if I start seeing any prolactin sides cause I get them if I even look at a bottle of PS/AAS.
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    I've been taking St. John's now, for a few months. I believe it was one of the keys to helping me kick cigarettes.

    Looks like it might be helping in some other ways.
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    I know this stuff is supposed to help the gonads use more cholesterol. Dose this happen on a level that can benefit cholesterol levels?

    I know it's a stretch, but it runs in my family, so it would be coo if I was on to something!
  

  
 

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