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    does tcf1 contain calcium??? dr.D how do dose ur DAA daily? any breaks? also how do u handle estro and prolactin problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    I've used that brand and I like it. It's not a bad value. I take mono pre-w/o and Mag post-w/o.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    does tcf1 contain calcium??? dr.D how do dose ur DAA daily? any breaks? also how do u handle estro and prolactin problems
    I have not personally used tcf1, but it does not appear to contain Calcium. The Sodium salt is an acceptable form IMO.

    I prefer plain DAA in capsule form, and commented extensively about my personal protocols earlier in the thread. Basically, I've had success with 10mg/lb body weight, dosing for several months before breaking, then taking a break equaling not less than half of the time on. This is a sufficient break to restore effectiveness back to previous levels IME. So I used about 2.3g per day (taking all of it in the morning, or split in 2 equal doses during the day) for 2 months, then take 1 month off before repeating.

    I have used 7-Methoxyflavone (a natural O-methylated flavone AI) at 50-150mg/day during my DAA experiments, but it does not appear to be essential. At doses of 100-150mg it certainly seems to accentuate the test boosting effect of DAA, but even with no estro/prolac supports I have not experienced any overt endocrine side effects from DAA.
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    Hmmmm thanks so would you say even though there's a increase in prolactin it is not neccassary harmful or negative
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    It may be with some guys, but I haven't had any issues even with doses between 3-4.5g/day. I'm pretty estro sensitive too so I wouldn't anticipate it would be a problem for most of the guys I know here.

    A little Mucuna extract (l-dopa) or St. John's Wort might help if you're worried about it. Those are too common herbs with noticeable anti-prolactin activity IME.
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    Hmmm thanks ill keep that in mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yes, just for extra insurance. It doesn't seem to be necessary, but I don't think it hurts. Some AI's can actually antagonize the steroidogenic mechanism of DAA, but 7-MF seems like a solid natural choice.
    Which AI's would cause this antagonization? Would anostra be one of them?
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    So a little over 30 days of use with 200mg test e/week and 6g's DAA and i'm definetly convinced that this stuff is boosting my natural test levels, i know Dante Trudel has blood work of his use of DAA along with HRT and it bumped his test up as well. I noticed my upper back breaking out a bit, oiler skin, increased semen volume, and some size increase with the "boys". I'm going to incorporate DAA from now on when i cruise every 8 weeks or so, i'll still use hcg to bring back testicular size though. I did feel that prolactin was elevated as my sex drive was affected, but use of 1-carboxy at 1.5 eod alternating with Pramipexole 1mg eod counteracted this. I'm giving it two thumbs up, dirt cheap, effective and the taste isn't horrid.
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    in case no one here had noticed Primordial is having a sale of their DAA product.

    You get it free along with our TRS stack... should make for a VERY effective natty test boosting stack but I plan on using it in my upcoming PCT... great deal NOW for the winter cycles future PCT's too!
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    Ive been using NP for 2 weeks or so and I've gotta say I'm pretty impressed~~especially for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Ive been using NP for 2 weeks or so and I've gotta say I'm pretty impressed~~especially for the price.
    bloodwork?
    or you just feel like it's working?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muscl3s View Post
    bloodwork?
    or you just feel like it's working?
    No recent blood test but the strength and agression are there...definitely more than i was expecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krashroute View Post
    Which AI's would cause this antagonization? Would anostra be one of them?
    I'm not familiar with that one. Do you have a link or some more information about it?
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    DAA should be stacked with???

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    I'm not familiar with that one. Do you have a link or some more information about it?
    arimidex.... was lazily spelling the generic
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Check this out:

    http://www.supplementcounsel.com/blo...ts-and-MI4.pdf

    Calcium supplements can increase your risk of myocardial infarction (heart attack) by 27%! I warned you guys about the synergistic CNS toxicity with DAA already, not to mention the kidney problems for juicers, but now a study clearly demonstrates the cardiac problems as well.

    Bad choice to use Calcium Aspartate IMO.
    I know this is old but I just ran across it....and just ordered testforce, was that a bad choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubble boy View Post
    I know this is old but I just ran across it....and just ordered testforce, was that a bad choice?
    Nah, just one bottle shouldn't kill you (but I would at least take a Mg supp at night before bed, and drink plenty of water.) I'm just saying if I had a choice of DAA products, it wouldn't be my first choice.
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    first post on here guys, but this thread seems to be the one with the most relevant infomation on DAA. I have read through the 10 pages to date and picked up some good info!

    I have just got myself a tub of pure DAA and planning to start a 2 week 3gram dosage followed by a 2 week 2 gram dosage. I am thinking of also using testatropin with DAA but worried that I may have an elevated estrogen reaction. I do have Arimidex as well but from reading through im not sure that an anti estrogen is needed? obviously estrogen at the right level is important in the system.

    Just wondering what your thoughts are on stacking testatropin with DAA are, and whether i need arimidex or not?

    thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelexpress View Post
    first post on here guys, but this thread seems to be the one with the most relevant infomation on DAA. I have read through the 10 pages to date and picked up some good info!

    I have just got myself a tub of pure DAA and planning to start a 2 week 3gram dosage followed by a 2 week 2 gram dosage. I am thinking of also using testatropin with DAA but worried that I may have an elevated estrogen reaction. I do have Arimidex as well but from reading through im not sure that an anti estrogen is needed? obviously estrogen at the right level is important in the system.

    Just wondering what your thoughts are on stacking testatropin with DAA are, and whether i need arimidex or not?

    thanks guys
    I had a few monster pimples after I stopped my month of DAA. While not dangerous high, I do think my estrogen was elevated. Add in another test booster and who knows?
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    If you to PHF and look at the bloodwork done after DAA usage all show elevated E2 levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    If you to PHF and look at the bloodwork done after DAA usage all show elevated E2 levels.
    Can you explain what those first 4 wourds mean? I forgot to put on my thinking cap
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    Elevated E2 is fine as long as your T/E ratio is high. The problem with DAA is that when you come off cycle your testosterone drops faster than your estrogen and you end up with a very low T/E ratio. It sometimes takes several weeks or months for estrogen levels to return to normal. And in some instances they may never return to normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    Elevated E2 is fine as long as your T/E ratio is high. The problem with DAA is that when you come off cycle your testosterone drops faster than your estrogen and you end up with a very low T/E ratio. It sometimes takes several weeks or months for estrogen levels to return to normal. And in some instances they may never return to normal.
    What evidence of this is there? Also does anyone have before after and months after bloods I haven't seen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    What evidence of this is there? Also does anyone have before after and months after bloods I haven't seen
    I agree. that would be a great question for PA or henryv.
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    I'm kinda implying it's not true

    Why would it be permanent? No reason to think that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    Elevated E2 is fine as long as your T/E ratio is high. The problem with DAA is that when you come off cycle your testosterone drops faster than your estrogen and you end up with a very low T/E ratio. It sometimes takes several weeks or months for estrogen levels to return to normal. And in some instances they may never return to normal.
    I could see where Trans-Resveratrol can and would play a role in this case. Regulating Estrogen is crucial after pct and would seem the same when supplementing with DAA.
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    Over at PHF there are at least three people who have posted before and after bloodwork. Virtually all of them complain about high estrogen levels post cycle.
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    man, none of this was talked about months ago when nutra first put out their DAA. i went through 2 cycles of it already. good thing i just started a run of sustain alpha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    Over at PHF there are at least three people who have posted before and after bloodwork. Virtually all of them complain about high estrogen levels post cycle.
    I don't recall seeing three people post DAA blood work, and I don't recall anyone complaining of high estrogen levels post-cycle.
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    if anything, that anti-proves the point you were trying to make. 1 of the blood test has no before blood work, and the others estrogen went up by 5-10%, and stayed inside normal boundaries. Not exactly something to be scared of.
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    The first one was DAA + Bioforge, not DAA solo. None of the solo DAA blood work you linked to shows E2 elevations above normal levels, and no-one has complained of high E2 from solo DAA on PHF to my knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    if anything, that anti-proves the point you were trying to make. 1 of the blood test has no before blood work, and the others estrogen went up by 5-10%, and stayed inside normal boundaries. Not exactly something to be scared of.
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    So the first guys high E2 was because of Bioforge. Please explain.

    The second guys E2 more than doubled and his T/E ratio dropped as well but this is OK.
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    it stayed in normal range, whats the big whoop?

    or to be more specific, it went up proportionately as much as his testosterone did, which is about what you'd expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    it stayed in normal range, whats the big whoop?

    or to be more specific, it went up proportionately as much as his testosterone did, which is about what you'd expect.
    Exactly. I oversaw those guys taking testforce two, and none of them complained of any estrogenic sides. They liked the stuff and said they would be happy to take it again.
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    just read this whole thread I have two tubs of np bulk ready to go in about a week very informative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticco View Post
    just read this whole thread I have two tubs of np bulk ready to go in about a week very informative.
    Heads up I had to dose this pretty high compared to other DAA formulations (6-7 grams instead of 3-4). IMO, it's better to spend a little extra on lit-up, TCF-1, test force 2 or adamantium.
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    Personally, I used DAA for three weeks and stopped. I was just starting to get Estrogenic Side Effects (itchy nipples, hair loss) and I was only using it after PCT to keep my libido intact. It worked extremely well but I could tell that it's powerful stuff. The acne, my libido, and basically all the sides were sides commonly associated with higher testosterone.

    It definitely did its job though. I've been off it for two weeks and my libido is awesome and I generally feel good. I would definitely use it again during or after PCT.
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    DAA gives me good strength, recovery, test, but I do notice hair loss, definitely feel a bit "different", ups and down there, controllable but definitely more irritable. Though I really do think i'm in a state of incredibly horrible overtraining... (joints gone, tendinitis in both my elbows and right shoulder, knees... my stim intake is probably around 1.5g caffiene, 100mg 1,3, yohimbe... everyday...)haha, just saying though.

    Also, I miss it when i'm off it.
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    1.5 gram caffeine?? dude thats 3 pots of coffee, definite health risks there
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