Beebab's LOG OF: MASS FX/ HX2/ R2 + INCARNATE/ LEVIATHAN & support

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    and so on, til I empty my bottles. I figured that it only makes sense to up the doses and get the most out of my money. But I'll see how 4 pills a day feels. I've been hearing though that amplifying the dose amplifies the results, so we'll see.
    IT DOES...................


  2. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    IT DOES...................
    haha so i thought.
    morning weight was back up to 195 this morning. so no real loss of anything i s'pose, but no gain yet.

    i'm getting concerned. for the past few days i've been having the runs and i'm not sure exactly what to attribute it to. i know that it's not straight Incarnate, bc I started taking that last week at 6 caps a day and I was fine. HOWEVER, I have been on 8 caps a day now. Maybe that much cissus just isn't agreeing with my system. I'm going to lower the dose today to 6 caps. Following the original dosing protocol will still keep my carnosine levels up.

    There's also the chance that either FX/ Hx2 and/ or R2 is causing that discomfort. I haven't heard of any such side effects coming from FX or R2, but I'm suspicious of Hx2. I've heard that it's supposed to help shed some water weight..............but in what way? I'm going crazy trying to pinpoint the source of this.

    I'd VERY MUCH appreciate it if anyone could chime in with their experiences on either of these products.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    haha so i thought.
    morning weight was back up to 195 this morning. so no real loss of anything i s'pose, but no gain yet.

    i'm getting concerned. for the past few days i've been having the runs and i'm not sure exactly what to attribute it to. i know that it's not straight Incarnate, bc I started taking that last week at 6 caps a day and I was fine. HOWEVER, I have been on 8 caps a day now. Maybe that much cissus just isn't agreeing with my system. I'm going to lower the dose today to 6 caps. Following the original dosing protocol will still keep my carnosine levels up.

    There's also the chance that either FX/ Hx2 and/ or R2 is causing that discomfort. I haven't heard of any such side effects coming from FX or R2, but I'm suspicious of Hx2. I've heard that it's supposed to help shed some water weight..............but in what way? I'm going crazy trying to pinpoint the source of this.

    I'd VERY MUCH appreciate it if anyone could chime in with their experiences on either of these products.
    I haven't had those effects while tkaing any of our products. I hesitate to say it is the Incarnate, but it could be the increased doseage or it could be an interactiong between two or more prods?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    I haven't had those effects while tkaing any of our products. I hesitate to say it is the Incarnate, but it could be the increased doseage or it could be an interactiong between two or more prods?
    i have no idea. i hesitate to accuse the Incarnate as well, just bc I had been taking it all along and 6 caps a day only did me good.

    In all seriousness though, maybe it's something with the 6-Bromo in Hyperdrol? Somebody else told me that when he started taking Hyperdrol his stomach got upset in a similar way.

    I've also been on antibiotics for the past week, due to wisdom teeth surgery. Maybe the combination of Penicillin w everything else isn't agreeing with my system? In which case, maybe taking Acidophilus/ probiotics will help my condition.
  5. 7/13 workout


    For friday the 13th, I had a very decent lift. Today I worked upper/ mid back, biceps and calves. My workout was the following:

    Back:
    various warm-ups...

    Wide Grip T-Bar rows:
    180 x 12
    225 x 6
    250 x 4 1/2

    Over-hand Bent-over Rows, superset w/ close-grip T-Bar:
    185 x 15 >> 135 x 8
    225 x 10 >> 135 x 8
    275 x 4 >> 135 x 9

    Dumbbell row superset w/ underhanded pull down:
    125 lb x 8 >> 185 x 7

    Underhanded pull down superset w/ dumbbell row:
    225 x 6 >> 100 x 6

    **by this point I was getting tired
    Biceps:
    Barbell Curl superset w/ alternating dumbbell curls: (focus on slow movements, good form)
    bar x 15
    95 x 8 (little help at the end) >> 35 lb x 12 ish
    85 x 6 + 2 help >> 45 x 4 + 3 assisted (max failure)

    Alternating Incline Hammer Curls, superset w/ standing alt hammer curls:
    35 x 9 >> 35 x 6

    Close-grip EZ bar preacher, superset w/ alt incline curls:
    75 x 6 >> 30 x 8

    Calves:
    Seated calf press:
    400 x 25
    500 x 11

    Endurance was pretty good. Though by the end of all that I was pretty exhausted.

    I took some chewable acidophilus today before meals and lowered the dose of Incarnate back to 6 caps a day. So far, my stomach hasn't been as upset. I'm betting that taking antibiotics caused some of my stomach discomfort, so hopefully supplementing w the probiotics will help me digest everything.
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  6. the runs are gone. i'm betting it was the antibiotics that were screwing up my system.

    i went to GNC today and bought the pro performance "Anabolic Leucine Stack" - a formula that has 7.3 grams of Leucine, 3 grams creatine mono, and 195 mg caffeine. Since I'm already supplementing w GNC wheybolic protein pre workout, which itself has another 7 grams Leucine, I figured taking this additional Leucine source w some mono will be really effective. Especially with Incarnate, the creatine should combo very nicely.

    So that'll be added to my log. As for the Poseidon I bought, I never opened it bc I chose to save it for extra cycle support for the **** i'm doin next. That's why I haven't mentioned anything bout it thus far in my log.

    I'm really looking forward to upping the dose of FX this week. So far I haven't seen any weight gains. But I am sleeping like a baby and do feel lethargic mid day. Aggression and libido are up so something's working
  7. 7/16 workout


    Worked chest/ forearms today. Earlier at work I noticed I felt very lazy/ lethargic.... but I perked up before my workout.

    Workout was as follows:

    Chest:
    warm-ups...
    bar x 15
    135 x 15

    Flat Bench:
    225 x 11
    245 x 7
    265 x 2 + 1 assisted

    Incline barbell press:
    185 x 8
    205 x 5
    225 x 3 + 1 assisted

    Decline smith press, superset w/ dumbbell flyes (triple dropset):
    225 x 13 >>> 75 x 3 >> 55 x 4 >> 45 x 3

    Decline smith press, superset w/ butterflyes:
    275 x 5 >>> 150 x 8 ish >> 115 x 6 ish

    Forearms:
    behind the back wrist curl:
    bar x 15
    135 x 15

    185 x 10, superset w/ reverse EZ bar curl --- 65 x 15

    Cable reverse curl w/ straight bar, superset w/ barbell wrist curl:
    100 x 8 >> bar x 12
    115 x 4, drop down 85 x 4 >> 85 x 10

    I felt pumped this workout. I'm really going to like the addition of this Anabolic Leucine formula to my stack. I'm getting about 12 g of Leucine pre workout, w 3 g Creatine Mono and caffeine.

    I also upped the dose of FX to 2 caps pre workout today and felt really good... hopefully by the end of this week I'll start to really feel it.

    Tomorrow will be legs and abs.

  8. nice lifts........are there specific goals you are hoping to get to with the stack?
  9. 7/17 workout


    Today was legs. I'll be honest... I felt so lethargic when i started my lift I almost collapsed, I really did not want to be there doing heavy ****. I also burped up the taste of the creatine formula I drank 30 min prior, which made me wanna puke. Still had a good lift tho haha.

    Legs:
    warm-ups...

    Full squat:
    bar x 15
    135 x 15

    225 x 15
    245 x 15
    275 x 15

    **workin mah way back up to the 300s

    Hack-squat, superset w/ leg ext:
    185 x 15 (warmup)
    275 x 10, 100 x 4 >> 70 x 4
    365 x 7, 70 x 5 >> 40 x 4

    SLDL, superset w/ standing leg curl:
    bar x 15
    135 x 15

    225 x 13, 100 x 7
    275 x 3, 115 x 6

    **lost my grip w 275, but my back could handle it. i tried to pick it up off the ground after I dropped it, but had to stop bc I felt the tweak in my lower back

    Standing smith calf raise:
    (Toes straight) 225 x 15
    (Toes pointed out) 225 x 15
    (Toes pointed in) 225 x 10

    By the end of the lift I was ready to go home. The Incarnate DEFINITELY works for endurance, I would not have been able to withstand my last sets w/o it idt. Pre workout Leucine formula is also a plus, also cuz it provides 195 mg caffeine which is basically 2 cups coffee.

    I think I'm starting to see some modest strength increases from the FX/ Hx2/ R2 stack. Definitely by next week when I up the doses even more I should be more receptive to it. But for now, it's good for what it's accomplished. I feel pumped.

    Only negative sides I can see are lethargy/ laziness. This was especially evident at work today. But I am sleeping like a baby at night which is a very very good aspect

    Tomorrow will be my off. I might wake up and do some cardio, provided I can get out of bed

  10. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    nice lifts........are there specific goals you are hoping to get to with the stack?
    Thanks Mace, appreciate those kind words. Yea, I posted some general goals in the intro, but I'd like to achieve the following:

    - increase my bench....as of now, if I start off high and work down I can do 275 for a few reps. I'd like to be able to do that for 8 reps, and bench 295/ 300 for reps.

    - add an inch to my arms/ chest. I want fuller arms and a bigger chest mostly. A thicker back would be nice too. As of now, my morning weight is 196.5 so I gained about a pound so far. I'd like to weigh a solid 200 come the AM.

    -Shoulder press, I'd like to press the 100s for reps, 6-8 range preferably.
    -I'm recovering from a lower back injury, so my leg strength dropped. I'd like to return to squatting over 315, and work my way toward 405 again.

    Those are some pretty specific goals I s'pose. Call me ambitious, but I'm being pretty optimistic about everything I'm doing.

    I just bought a tub of Creatine Mono today, 5 g from GNC. I work there, so I used my discount to get an already half priced tub of 200 servings. I'm taking that post workout now. Pre workout I'm taking the GNC Anabolic Leucine Stack, with 7.3 g Leucine, 3 g Creatine Mono and caffene. That should help, when combined w Incarnate.

    I'm not concerned with water weight. I'm bulking now. Anything jiggly I gain I plan to shed w Leviathan afterward.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    Thanks Mace, appreciate those kind words. Yea, I posted some general goals in the intro, but I'd like to achieve the following:

    - increase my bench....as of now, if I start off high and work down I can do 275 for a few reps. I'd like to be able to do that for 8 reps, and bench 295/ 300 for reps.

    - add an inch to my arms/ chest. I want fuller arms and a bigger chest mostly. A thicker back would be nice too. As of now, my morning weight is 196.5 so I gained about a pound so far. I'd like to weigh a solid 200 come the AM.

    -Shoulder press, I'd like to press the 100s for reps, 6-8 range preferably.
    -I'm recovering from a lower back injury, so my leg strength dropped. I'd like to return to squatting over 315, and work my way toward 405 again.

    Those are some pretty specific goals I s'pose. Call me ambitious, but I'm being pretty optimistic about everything I'm doing.

    I just bought a tub of Creatine Mono today, 5 g from GNC. I work there, so I used my discount to get an already half priced tub of 200 servings. I'm taking that post workout now. Pre workout I'm taking the GNC Anabolic Leucine Stack, with 7.3 g Leucine, 3 g Creatine Mono and caffene. That should help, when combined w Incarnate.

    I'm not concerned with water weight. I'm bulking now. Anything jiggly I gain I plan to shed w Leviathan afterward.
    specific goals are best at times to be able to tell with concrete facts that you accomplished something..........i usually look to similar goals myself, either reacha certain weight on a lift or get a certain measurement our of the tape!

    Keep it up! youa re on the right track!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    specific goals are best at times to be able to tell with concrete facts that you accomplished something..........i usually look to similar goals myself, either reacha certain weight on a lift or get a certain measurement our of the tape!

    Keep it up! youa re on the right track!
    yea i hear ya. that's the only way to judge solid gains anyway, strength and tape measurements don't usually lie. but yea, again I appreciate the support. i'm really hoping this stack is everything it's advertised to be. I definitely like it so far. but i wanna see those explosive strength gains they talk about. since i'm not buying additional bottles and following the prescribed cycle plan i'm just gonna increase the doses and run it out this month, that should bring some sick results methinks.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    yea i hear ya. that's the only way to judge solid gains anyway, strength and tape measurements don't usually lie. but yea, again I appreciate the support. i'm really hoping this stack is everything it's advertised to be. I definitely like it so far. but i wanna see those explosive strength gains they talk about. since i'm not buying additional bottles and following the prescribed cycle plan i'm just gonna increase the doses and run it out this month, that should bring some sick results methinks.
    its costly and i have never tried it, but a buddy of mine that competes, just said that he is running 8 per day of the FX and it it AMAZING! he is 230 though..........

  14. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    its costly and i have never tried it, but a buddy of mine that competes, just said that he is running 8 per day of the FX and it it AMAZING! he is 230 though..........
    haha yea i think my liver would fall out my ass if i took that much in a day. but yea, if i didn't have other expenditures planned for the future I might consider investing in another bottle, but I'm anticipating a big cycle of something else, which will be veyr costly itself.

    morning weight today was 197.5, 2.5 lbs more than what I used to be. slept like a baby last night and had some interesting dreams too
  15. 7/19 workout


    Tonight's workout was pretty good, though I feel like I might have overtrained a little.

    Shoulders:
    dumbbell press:

    warm-up... 40 x 20, 50 x 15

    70 x 12
    85 x 8 + 1 help
    95 x 4

    upright rows superset w/ arnold press:

    145 x 12 >> 55 x 10
    165 x 8 >> 65 x 8

    lat raises superset w/ front raises:
    35 x 10 >> 35 x 6
    30 x 15 >> 30 x 10

    Traps:
    barbell shrug:

    bar x 15
    275 x 8
    275 x 8
    225 x 10

    **i kept losing my grip w 275, which was very annoying

    dumbbell shrug:
    80 x 10
    80 x 10

    Triceps:
    Rope extensions superset w/ V pushdowns:
    190 x 6, 85 x 4 >> 70 x 5
    205 x 3, 70 x 8
    ** i spent a lot of energy trying to force the rope down on the last set.

    pre-exhaust dips superset w/ CGB:
    bodyweight x 12, 135 x 8
    bodyweight x 12, 155 x 6

    french press superset w/ rope pushdowns:
    85 x 8, 115 x 8 ish

    I really should start recording exact numbers. Most of these rep numbers above are ball park estimates, give or take a rep. The dumbbell presses were exact though.

    I'm very proud with my shoulder press performance tn. Next week I'll up the weights slightly and try to get the 100s.

    My workout was too long though. An hr, 20 min. I feel comforted knowing that I'm on an anti-cortisol, which should let me go a little longer in the gym, but still I have that feeling that I overtrained a little.

    Any input on my workout would be appreciated. As in, whether it seems from the looks of it like I overtrained, how I could improve.

    Always open to suggestions

  16. If you want to try something, perhaps a lil bit of DC training i.e warm up all you need to then three sets.

    1. Warm up sets until working weight

    2. 1st set then breath 15 breaths

    3. 2nd set then breath 15 breaths

    4. 3rd set then pick your sorry ass up and move to next exercise.

    Max 3 exercises per body part. I do it a lil differently to dante as I am doing a bodypart a day. This program knocks me on my ass everytime.

    Just a suggestion, I think you're doing fine no?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    If you want to try something, perhaps a lil bit of DC training i.e warm up all you need to then three sets.

    1. Warm up sets until working weight

    2. 1st set then breath 15 breaths

    3. 2nd set then breath 15 breaths

    4. 3rd set then pick your sorry ass up and move to next exercise.

    Max 3 exercises per body part. I do it a lil differently to dante as I am doing a bodypart a day. This program knocks me on my ass everytime.

    Just a suggestion, I think you're doing fine no?
    Thanks man, appreciate the input. That's another HIT principle I should try. I like to stick to HIT generally, but sometimes I take too much resting time btw sets... mainly cuz I want to make sure I have enough energy to accomplish what I need to with my next set. That's really the one thing I personally have to be careful about.
  18. workout 7/20


    Had a really good back workout today. Biceps were a little lagging, but that's only bc they followed my heavy back routine.

    Back:

    Bent-over Row (underhand):
    warm-ups...
    bar x 20 underhand, bar x 20 overhand
    135 x 15 underhand

    225 x 10
    265 x 6
    285 x 4

    Wide grip T-Bar superset w/ dumbbell row:
    205 x 10, 110 x 9
    225 x 8, 110 x 9
    270 x 5, 110 x 8

    Overhand pulldown, superset w/ V bar row:
    160 x 8, 175 x 10
    145 x 6, 175 x 10

    Biceps:
    close grip EZ bar preacher, superset w/ dumbbell hammers:
    75 x 8, 35 x 4 >> 30 x 5

    wide grip EZ bar preacher, superset w/ dumbbell hammers:
    75 x 6, 30 x 8

    triple dropset, alt dumbbell curls:
    50 x 3, 40 x 2, 30 x 8 ish

    machine curls (close grip), superset w/ cable curls:
    70 x 8 >> 55 x 3, 70 x 8

    I felt very good throughout this workout. 5 plates on the T-bar was a new record for me. Strength and endurance are definitely elevated on this stack, though I haven't seen any gains in size as of yet. HOPEFULLY soon. I'm going to change up what muscles I work when, bc biceps were fatigued following back.

    I also worked abs pretty good after biceps. Just a bunch of supersets (i.e. ab crunch machine for 20 reps, superset w/ leg lifts. Then a bunch of oblique twists w a medicine ball, superset w full extended sit ups).

    My abs tightened up so bad at one point, I was hunched over and had to stretch them out. I've been getting muscle cramps in my bicep too, so I'm just drinking lots of water. Otherwise I feel great, pumped, good mood, energized. I'm thinking bout doing some morning cardio tm for the hell of it.

  19. Morning weight today was 201, which is a 6 lb increase from when I started this stack.

    I've also noticed that my arms feel fuller and harder. If the next couple weeks go really well, I might consider investing in another bottle of FX and Hx2.
  20. 7/23 workout


    I upped the dose of FX to 5 caps today... I woke up around 9:30, took 2 caps, then took another 2 around 3 before I lifted at 4.

    I had an AWESOME ass lift. Today I worked chest and biceps. From the beginning of my lift, I just felt pumped.

    Chest:
    warm-ups...
    bar x 20
    35 lb flyes x 15
    135 x 15

    flat bench:
    245 x 13 *could've done more
    265 x 6
    285 x 2 + 3 assistance
    205 x 9

    Incline barbell:
    185 x 8
    225 x 2 + 2 assisted

    Incline dumbbell:
    95 x 6
    85 x 6

    Cable flyes superset w/ decline dumbbell flye:
    85 x 10, 50 x 10

    Decline dumbbell flye, superset w/ cable flyes:
    65 x 8, 70 x 10

    Dumbbell pull over:
    50 x 15
    75 x 7

    Biceps:
    Close grip EZ bar preachers, superset w/ alt. dumbbell hammers:
    95 x 8, 35 x 10
    95 x 6, 45 x 8

    Straight bar cable curls, superset w/ alt. dumbbell curls:
    115 x 10, 40 x 8

    Incline dumbbell curls, superset w/ straight bar cable curls:
    30 x 10, 115 x 8

    I originally planned to do forearms and abs, but I had the urge to do biceps. I felt very good this workout, energy was up, I felt like I just could've kept going. Tomorrow I'm going to do heavy legs and abs.

    Morning weight was 202 today. I have a ways to go on this cycle too, so I'm hoping to add another 8 lbs to that. I'd like to get up to 210, maybe 215. At this point I really dont care what percentage of that weight is water weight or fat. My diet has been very clean and the creatine mono is helping add weight. But post cycle I will be running Leviathan w Incarnate to shed that excess weight and expose whatever muscle weight I gain.

    I think I'm going to take 2 caps of FX and Hx2 pre workout, rather than just 1 cap of Hx2. See how that works.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    Morning weight was 202 today. I have a ways to go on this cycle too, so I'm hoping to add another 8 lbs to that. I'd like to get up to 210, maybe 215. At this point I really dont care what percentage of that weight is water weight or fat. My diet has been very clean and the creatine mono is helping add weight. But post cycle I will be running Leviathan w Incarnate to shed that excess weight and expose whatever muscle weight I gain.

    I think I'm going to take 2 caps of FX and Hx2 pre workout, rather than just 1 cap of Hx2. See how that works.
    Sounds like a good plan!
  22. 7/24 workout


    DAMN IT!!! My comp eff'd up after I had just finished typing EVERYTHING b4 so I lost my post... now I gotta do it all again.

    Workout today wasn't bad, but I felt tired... so i wasn't totally on my game. Endurance wise I felt pretty good, strength wise wasn't bad but not excellent.

    Legs:
    warm-ups...
    squat, bar x 20, 135 x 15
    leg ext 55 x 12

    deep squat:
    225 x 15
    275 x 12
    315 x 4 ***note, I could only go down about 65 degrees or so w/ 315 bc I didn't want my back to tighten up. I was able to go down pretty far w 275, so I'm working my way back up. I think next week I'll go 295.
    185 x 15, ass to grass

    leg press (close stance) superset w/ leg ext:
    575 x 15, 70 x 6
    755 x 10. *some lady was using the leg ext so I had to improvise w/ hack squats... empty rack, 95 x 10

    395 x 15 (wide stance), 55 x 8

    deep hack squat, superset w/ leg curl:
    270 x 12, 100 x15
    180 x 20, 100 x 10

    smith calf raises, one big superset... toes straight/ out/ in:
    warm up 135 x 12
    315 x 15, 10, 225 x 6

    Seated calf press:
    400 x 15
    550 x 10, drop down 450 x 5, 300 x 3

    Post workout I supplemented w a tblespoon creatine mono (the box says a heaping tspoon, but I do a tblespoon regardless).

    How does this dosing protocol sound to you guys?

    WAKE UP: 2 caps FX, 1 Hx2, 1 R2
    4 hours later: 1 cap FX, 1 Hx2, 1 R2
    Pre workout: 2 caps FX, 2 caps Hx2, 1 R2, 3 Incarnate
    Post workout: 1 Hx2, 3 Incarnate

  23. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    WAKE UP: 2 caps FX, 1 Hx2, 1 R2
    4 hours later: 1 cap FX, 1 Hx2, 1 R2
    Pre workout: 2 caps FX, 2 caps Hx2, 1 R2, 3 Incarnate
    Post workout: 1 Hx2, 3 Incarnate
    Looks Good! one small modification: do the R2 one pre and one post........

  24. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    Looks Good! one small modification: do the R2 one pre and one post........
    question though, wouldn't the pre workout serving of R2 suppress cortisol levels long enough til my post workout meal?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    question though, wouldn't the pre workout serving of R2 suppress cortisol levels long enough til my post workout meal?
    it will, but then the postworkout one, protects against rebound.......

  26. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    it will, but then the postworkout one, protects against rebound.......
    makes sense to me. i hadn't been doing it that way til now, I was taking my second serving 4 hrs after wake up, then my next pre workout. how significantly will my post workout meal reduce cortisol levels?
  27. 7/25 workout


    I felt GREAT tn. Normally I'd take off today, but due to a change of plans in my schedule I'll be going to the beach tm and will not lift.

    When I started out doing shoulders, even the warm up weights felt kind of heavy... but once I actually started going "heavy" the "heavy" weights felt lighter...

    Shoulders:
    dumbbell press:
    warmup... 45 x 15, 55 x 12

    75 x 12
    90 x 4
    80 x 8

    upright rows superset w/ arnold press:
    95 x 10, 60 x 8
    135 x 10, 70 x 4

    Lat raises, triple drop set:
    50 x 8, 35 x 6, 25 x 12

    Front plate raises:
    35 x 10
    45 x 10

    Traps:
    Shrug machine:
    warm up, 295 x 10

    700 x 10 >> 295 x 10

    Smith shrugs, triple drop:
    365 x 4 >> 315 x 6 >> 225 x 6

    Triceps:
    weighted dips:
    BW x 12
    BW + 45 x 8
    BW + 90 x 5 -- PR
    BW x 20

    Close grip bench, superset w/ EZ bar french press:
    185 x 10, 95 x 8

    Close grip bench, superset w/ rope extensions:
    225 x 4, 145 x 10

    I'd say this was a very good workout personally. Endurance was very good, as was strength. I'd really like to start seeing some mass gains, hopefully those will come. Otherwise I feel fantastic.

    Hopefully tm I can even out this effin farmer's tan

  28. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    makes sense to me. i hadn't been doing it that way til now, I was taking my second serving 4 hrs after wake up, then my next pre workout. how significantly will my post workout meal reduce cortisol levels?
    Cortisol is released in response to stress to generate fuel for the body to react with. The more stress you create via weight training/cardio, the more cortisol gets released. So there are a lot of factors that play into that. For one, it depends on how much of a stress you create on your body. For example, on days that you train legs, because of the great amount of energy it requires to move those heavy weights while squatting/leg pressing, more cortisol is released compared to when you train biceps. Also, it depends on if you do a heavy cardio session after training, which is yet again another stressor and will likely add to the release of cortisol. It also depends on how many grams of simple sugars you're taking in with your post-workout meal. 20g of simple sugars won't lower cortisol levels nearly as much as 60g of simple sugars.

    So, given those factors it is really hard to say. I believe that a solid post workout meal of 50g whey protein and 60g of simple sugars will be enough to blunt the effects of cortisol. Follow that meal up 1.5-2 hours later with another high protein meal (solid food this time) and complex carbs and you should be solid. However, it may not necessarily lower it/reduce to total count of cortisol. So while food consumption will help to blunt the effects of cortisol, Retain2 will be able to actually reduce its presence.

    If your workouts are extremely exhausting to you, I would take Retain2 both before and after working out, along with a solid post workout meal. If you're in a post cycle therapy, I would definitely take one cap pre and one cap post workout.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Biceps View Post
    Cortisol is released in response to stress to generate fuel for the body to react with. The more stress you create via weight training/cardio, the more cortisol gets released. So there are a lot of factors that play into that. For one, it depends on how much of a stress you create on your body. For example, on days that you train legs, because of the great amount of energy it requires to move those heavy weights while squatting/leg pressing, more cortisol is released compared to when you train biceps. Also, it depends on if you do a heavy cardio session after training, which is yet again another stressor and will likely add to the release of cortisol. It also depends on how many grams of simple sugars you're taking in with your post-workout meal. 20g of simple sugars won't lower cortisol levels nearly as much as 60g of simple sugars.

    So, given those factors it is really hard to say. I believe that a solid post workout meal of 50g whey protein and 60g of simple sugars will be enough to blunt the effects of cortisol. Follow that meal up 1.5-2 hours later with another high protein meal (solid food this time) and complex carbs and you should be solid. However, it may not necessarily lower it/reduce to total count of cortisol. So while food consumption will help to blunt the effects of cortisol, Retain2 will be able to actually reduce its presence.

    If your workouts are extremely exhausting to you, I would take Retain2 both before and after working out, along with a solid post workout meal. If you're in a post cycle therapy, I would definitely take one cap pre and one cap post workout.
    Thanks for answering my question Biceps. And I understand the logic here. My diet has always been pretty good... post workout I eat 3 slices white bread, which I just upped to 4, along w 40-50 g protein (30 whey protein, 15 ish from bread), then an hr later I have a full meal w protein, complex carbs and healthy omega 3s. But I want to make the most out of each supplement I take. If I start to get leaner now that I'm taking the R2 pre and post then I'll def know I was doing it wrong before.
  30. 7/27 workout


    Up 10 lbs and counting...

    Workout today was very good. I was tired coming home from wrk... mainly cuz business was dead and I sat on my ass for 9 hrs... but I perked up after taking supps.

    The guy who used to manage the GNC I work at when it was a franchise ordered a variety of unique products... ppl still seem to think the now corporate store is still a franchise, so we were sent a box of this pre workout energy formula we don't normally sell. So..... I got to keep it all haha It's supposedly an all natural pre workout energy enhancer, enriched w B-vitamins and zero caffeine. I tried it w my Leucine formula and it perked me up really quickly.

    Did back today...

    Back:
    warm-ups....

    underhanded pull down:
    205 x 8
    250 x 8
    305 x 6 --- PR

    Wide grip T Bar:
    135 x 12
    225 x 6 + 2 assisted
    270 x 5 (some assistance for fluid reps)
    180 x 8

    Underhanded bent over row:
    135 x 12
    225 x 10
    265 x 8

    Dumbbell row, triple drop set:
    125 x 8 >> 100 x 8 >> 75 x 8

    Incline dumbbell row, superset w/ lat push downs:
    100 x 8, 100 x 15

    Forearms:
    **I just did a few light sets to stimulate the muscles. These were mostly like supersets, w little rest btw sets. I wanted to move quickly.

    underhand bar curl:
    bar x 20
    overhand bar curl:
    bar x 15
    underhand:
    bar x 15
    overhand:
    bar x 10

    Overall, I think today was very productive. For the next couple weeks I'm considering varying my rep ranges and doing 5 rep sets for most heavy compound movements... just to get my strength up. Heavy sets compounded w lower volume supersets.
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