Nabisco's Unnatural Transformation (PP/Epi/Form TD STACK)

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  1. Day 17


    Dosed 30mg PP, 10mg Epi, 80mg Form TD today. Strength is still there, finishing out this week on my current plan, switching to DC style next week. I'll post the new workout plan next week.

    Workout

    Rotator Cuff Exercise to warm up. Stayed light on shoulders to test out how the joint was feeling.

    Seated Smith Machine Military Press
    65x10, 85x10, 105x10

    Lat Raises
    30x12, 35x8, 40x8

    BB Curls
    95x10, 95x8, 105x6

    Seated DB Curls
    30x15, 35x10, 40x7

    Skull Crushers (stayed light due to elbow tendons feeling a little tight)
    65x15, 65x12, 65x10

    One arm cable pushdowns
    60x12, 65x10, 70x8

    Leg Raises
    15, 15, 12

    Workout went well, felt strong the entire time. Endurance is sticking with me.

    Mood: Normal
    Energy: Fine even though I didnt get a ton of sleep
    Endurance: Great, all through workouts
    Libido: Still going strong
    Strength: Solid
    Joints: Getting a little dry, but will up fish oil and add super cissus when order gets here
    Weight: 185.5

    Alright, so far no sides during this cycle. However, eating nearly 4000 calories a day and I have gained maybe 2.5lbs in 2.5 weeks. Explain that **** to me. I'm also a little grouchy because Nutra took 4 days to process my order...highly unusual, one of the products I ordered must have been out or something. Go figure. My strength is sky rocketing but my weight is stationary and Im not leaning out I can tell you that. So help me figure out whats going on here.


  2. The grouchiness is a sign of things to come my friend.

    I saw my best gains in week 3 and 4 of PP, so be patient and keep those cals high.
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  3. What do you mean by lat raises?
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  4. lateral raises, most likely.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    lateral raises, most likely.
    haha. man i feel stupid.
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  6. We all have those once in a while metroba

    I really think I was hardcore overtraining. I was researching symptoms and such, and although I was never sore, due to being on PP, I had finally started to lose my appetite, I was getting short tempered, and losing my drive. I think by taking today off, getting a good solid leg workout in tomorrow, then starting back up Monday with a DC style workout I'll get back on track. Im sad that my PP will be gone by sunday, but Im pretty stoked to be completely on Epistane for another couple of weeks.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    We all have those once in a while metroba

    I really think I was hardcore overtraining. I was researching symptoms and such, and although I was never sore, due to being on PP, I had finally started to lose my appetite, I was getting short tempered, and losing my drive. I think by taking today off, getting a good solid leg workout in tomorrow, then starting back up Monday with a DC style workout I'll get back on track. Im sad that my PP will be gone by sunday, but Im pretty stoked to be completely on Epistane for another couple of weeks.
    good plan.
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  8. do you need the Form on PP or is there another reason you are using it?

  9. It's not detrimental but helps control estrogen levels fairly well with the PP.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  10. I was using the Form TD for a couple reasons.

    1) Like prld2gr8ns said, I wanted to try to lean out the gains from PP and

    2) Because i thought that my "chest fat" may have been gyno, and Form TD has been known to significantly reduce gyno (or so some of the members here have experienced)

    Sadly it wasn't gyno, my body just deposits fat on my chest at around 12-13% bf. This is to genetics
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  11. In that case when you go on a cut those will go bye, bye. A much better situation really.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  12. Dont sweat it...I'm probably around 9% and I still hold water under my nipples...it's just genetics. I honestly think it would take a sub 7% body fat to lose it.

  13. Genetics can be depressing sometimes can't they?


  14. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    Genetics can be depressing sometimes can't they?

    You know it.

    "Genetics, that's why God made Steroids"

  15. Day 21


    Quick update. Last few days have been tough, keep getting called in to work. Haven't hit the gym since wednesday, and lethargy has kicked my ass lately. Worst part of it all is that I had to lower protein down below 250g/day and make an emergency order to NP for some Gut Health. My inside were torn up, not in a good way...in a painful to sh1t way. Since I dropped protein down my bowels have started to return to normal. I'll ramp back up once I get some Gut Health.

    Hopefully **** will be back to normal this week and I'll get a chance to hit the gym mon, tues, thurs, friday.

    Will give more info tomorrow, as Im on the run again today. Got called in to work again...so much for having a weekend.

  16. Hey Nabisco, I have the same chest fat problem as you and i found that once i limited dairy to my diet it seemed to reduce it. So maybe you should try cutting the cottage cheese and milk adding some casein. Its just my opinion though

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    Day 21


    Quick update. Last few days have been tough, keep getting called in to work. Haven't hit the gym since wednesday, and lethargy has kicked my ass lately. Worst part of it all is that I had to lower protein down below 250g/day and make an emergency order to NP for some Gut Health. My inside were torn up, not in a good way...in a painful to sh1t way. Since I dropped protein down my bowels have started to return to normal. I'll ramp back up once I get some Gut Health.

    Hopefully **** will be back to normal this week and I'll get a chance to hit the gym mon, tues, thurs, friday.

    Will give more info tomorrow, as Im on the run again today. Got called in to work again...so much for having a weekend.
    Dam sorry to hear about all that man... hope things start picking back up for the better this week.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  18. Were all rootn for ya Nabisco.
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  19. Day 22

    Thanks for the support gents. Body is back to normal today, I'm going to slowly up calories again until Gut Health arrives later this week. I am now currently running 10mg PP (just getting rid of those extra couple of pills) and 30mg Epi. I think I'll continue to run 30mg Epi until in runs out so about 4 weeks. My Incarnate has also ran out, and will be substituted with USPs Super Cissus Rx to continue with joint support. Most important thing is Im back on track, and fired up to get some kick ass results in the month of cycle I have left.

    Here is the new DC style program that I've put together, and by "I've put together" I mean stolen blatently from PumpingIron (Thanks PI). I've changed a few of the exercises to suit myself and my gym's limitations.

    I'll update tonight with a weigh-in and my workout.

    2 On, 1 Off, 2 On, 2 Off
    2-4 warmup sets, 1 Working Set: Rest-Pause(3) to failure

    Day 1a
    Incline Smith Press
    BB Military Press
    CG Smith Bench Press
    Cable Pulldowns
    Deadlifts

    Day 2a
    Flat DB Press
    Smith Military Press (Behind Head)
    Cable Pushdowns
    Wide Grip Pullups
    T-Bar Rows

    Day 3a
    Decline Smith Press
    DB Military Press
    Skullcrushers
    Rev. Grip Pulldowns
    BB Rows

    Day 1b
    Concentration Curls
    Reverse Preachers Curls
    Machine Standing Calf Raises
    Lying Leg Curls
    Squats

    Day 2b
    BB Curls
    Shrugs
    Smith Machine Calf Raises (toes out)
    SLDL
    Leg Extensions

    Day 3b
    Alt. DB Curls
    BB Wrist Curls
    Smith machine Calf Raises (toes in)
    Good Mornings
    Smith Machine Hack Squat

  20. I'm gettin started with this today too...best of luck.

    Everythin I know about DC is from Ubi, Beelze and Dante's writings.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    Day 22

    Thanks for the support gents. Body is back to normal today, I'm going to slowly up calories again until Gut Health arrives later this week. I am now currently running 10mg PP (just getting rid of those extra couple of pills) and 30mg Epi. I think I'll continue to run 30mg Epi until in runs out so about 4 weeks. My Incarnate has also ran out, and will be substituted with USPs Super Cissus Rx to continue with joint support. Most important thing is Im back on track, and fired up to get some kick ass results in the month of cycle I have left.

    Here is the new DC style program that I've put together, and by "I've put together" I mean stolen blatently from PumpingIron (Thanks PI). I've changed a few of the exercises to suit myself and my gym's limitations.

    I'll update tonight with a weigh-in and my workout.

    2 On, 1 Off, 2 On, 2 Off
    2-4 warmup sets, 1 Working Set: Rest-Pause(3) to failure

    Day 1a
    Incline Smith Press
    BB Military Press
    CG Smith Bench Press
    Cable Pulldowns
    Deadlifts

    Day 2a
    Flat DB Press
    Smith Military Press (Behind Head)
    Cable Pushdowns
    Wide Grip Pullups
    T-Bar Rows

    Day 3a
    Decline Smith Press
    DB Military Press
    Skullcrushers
    Rev. Grip Pulldowns
    BB Rows

    Day 1b
    Concentration Curls
    Reverse Preachers Curls
    Machine Standing Calf Raises
    Lying Leg Curls
    Squats

    Day 2b
    BB Curls
    Shrugs
    Smith Machine Calf Raises (toes out)
    SLDL
    Leg Extensions

    Day 3b
    Alt. DB Curls
    BB Wrist Curls
    Smith machine Calf Raises (toes in)
    Good Mornings
    Smith Machine Hack Squat
    sounds good might be going this route soon too

  22. Quote Originally Posted by nycste View Post
    sounds good might be going this route soon too
    thanks for the libido check, that avatar is killer.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  23. nabisco, im curious are you still doing the formestane? if you are have you noticed anything yet?btw glad your back on track.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  24. I think your going to like the tut style nabisco. Good to see you getting back on track.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  25. Be patient man, weeks 3-4 are the best as long as you have your cals up, particularly carbs. Dont let the lathargy get to you and stop you from attaining your goals. Every cycle has its ups and downs, sometimes they are a little bigger than most.

    PP def shouldnt be shutting down your appetite, it sounds like what i recently went through with just too much food, too fast that the body jsut starts to reject it.

    Instead of waiting for Gut health, go pick up some acidiphilous (should be available locally at a vitimin store). 40-50 mgs a day was a BIG help and i noticed the appetite rebound right away. Also try eating smaller meals.

  26. I appreciate all the advice guys. I had my first DC style workout last night and I really liked it. I mean I LOVED it. I could really focus my intensity into that one working set. I wasn't spending 1.5 hours in the gym loading weight on and off the racks. I weighed in again yesterday 185lbs and not moving. I'm hoping that this new style of training is really going to help me explode past the 190 mark in the next four weeks.

    I've been talking to one of the AX reps from their forum and I might have a little something extra to add to my cycle here soon. A little surprise for your gents if it comes through.

    Here was the workout yesterday...

    Smith Machine Incline Press
    4 warmup sets
    Working Set: 145x12x10x8 (way too light...I hadn't realized how much stronger I've gotten)

    Seated Military Press
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 105x8x5x3 (Not bad since my shoulder has just gotten to healing up...will increase weight next time)

    Smith Machine CG Bench
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 135x8x5x3 (light again, but was really trying to focus on controlled reps...will def increase next time)

    Pulldowns
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 160x8x5x3 (Had to go fairly light here, felt like I slightly tweaked my lower trap on one of the warmup sets. The belt slid over and caught up, so when I powered the bar down it caught and nearly yanked me out of my seat. ****ty piece of equipment)

    Deadlifts
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 275x8x5x3 (Never done that many reps before with this weight so I was pumped)

    I finished up by crushing some abdominals and using DC's technique to help shoulder's repair (hold a broomstick in front of you and come up over your head and as far back as possible for 50 reps. Only got 25, but its a start)

    I also tried the extreme stretching for my chest with 80lb dbs after the chest portion of my workout and WOW. I couldn't hold them longer than 20 seconds before the burn beat me and I dropped them. I'm going to work up to the whole hold for 60 sec deal. Also did the extreme stretching for shoulders, slowly will work the rest into the regiment.

    By the way gents, good news. 300 comes out on DVD today and I'm picking it up after work. If that movie isn't motivation, nothing is.

  27. thebigt: I went back last week when I was feeling like absolute trash and tried to find which supplement I thought was causing the worst sides. And although I hadn't really reported it here in my log I had felt the loss of appetite, crazy a$$ bowel movements (no pun intended), building as the first few weeks of the cycle got underway. Only two things were being ramped up, the Pheraplex and the Form TD. I've used the PP before and not had these sides, so I pointed the finger at the Form TD. So I stopped the form td and the sides have subsided, but I also dropped my protein intake.

    So here is the deal, I'm not pointing the finger at the Form TD because I can't say one way or the other whether it was the cause or not. Perhaps I just reacted to the PP differently this time since it was higher dosages. But I wasn't seeing any results from the Form TD, no leaning out, no loss of fat, nothing that I could visibly see or measure in the three weeks I used it. So for me perhaps Im a non-responder or perhaps I just didn't go high enough on the dosages. Perhaps I'll work it back in towards the end of cycle and see what happens.

  28. thanks for the honest report. it was only a matter of time i guess until someone didnt respond to formestane. sorry about your luck, formestane has been good to me.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  29. Day 23


    Quick update

    Workout


    Concentration Curls
    3 warmup sets
    Working Set: 35x8x5x3 (too light...needs to go up)

    Reverse Preacher Curls
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 65x8x5x3 (definitely heavy enough)

    Machine Calf Raises
    3 warmup sets
    Working Set: 400x8x5x3 (PR for me, also maxed out the machine)

    Lying Leg Curls
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 125x8x5x3 (this is a weak point for me)

    Squats
    2 warmup sets
    Working Set: 225x8x5x3 (felt like I sprinted a mile after this set)

    Did some oblique work and more of DC's high rep shoulder stretches. Overall good workout...I've really got to focus on getting balls to the wall intense. Loving the DC style of lifting so far. We'll see what the results say in a few weeks.

    SHUT UP AND :squat: !

  30. Nabisco, whats your rep scheme like? 2/3?
  

  
 

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