Nabisco's Unnatural Transformation (PP/Epi/Form TD STACK)

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  1. So you just took a chest day and did 10 sets of 3 reps at 205? What do you mean by slowly bumped it up to 225? I just want to make sure I'm on the same page. So you do 10 sets of 3 reps at 205, then next day do 10 sets of 3 reps at 210? then 215? and so on?


  2. no each chest w/o. not good long term but to get your bench up its a good one.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    So you just took a chest day and did 10 sets of 3 reps at 205? What do you mean by slowly bumped it up to 225? I just want to make sure I'm on the same page. So you do 10 sets of 3 reps at 205, then next day do 10 sets of 3 reps at 210? then 215? and so on?
    Bench Press
    (week 1) 225x3,3,3 235x3,3 245x3,3,3,3,3
    (week 2) 225x3,3 235x3,3 245x3,3,3,3 225x 3(A)
    (week 3) 225x4,4,4,4,4,4,4 275x1 (died on 2)

    found part of my old log cannot find the actual full workouts but thats an example of what i did.. dont remmeber what my maxes were then or anything. and i would imagine my breaks for these were short cuz only doing 2-3 reps not max isnt that hard

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  5. Day 11


    Well now, no changes with dosing. Was a little off on my diet today, went out to lunch with some co-workers and had Indian food (buffet style). Heavy in carbs, a little light on protein and probably fairly fatty (the sauces were creamy). But other than that stuck to chicken, rice, and veggies, along with my breakfast of 6 egg whites, 2 eggs, and 2 pieces of whole wheat toast, with one scoop whey in milk. So my calories were definitely up today. Was afraid that cheat meal today would adversely affect my lift, but let me tell you WOW. Today was the best lift yet, so lets get right to it.

    Workout:

    DB Bench Press
    75x12, 85x8, 100x2 (PR!) I've never even thought of touching the 100's before. This had me really pumped.

    Weighted Decline Ab Crunches
    15x10, 25x10, 25x8, 25x7, 25x5

    Incline DB Bench Press
    60x12, 70x8, 80x6 (PR!) The strength was through the roof today.

    Decline DB Flys
    30x12, 40x8, 40x6 (with extra low stretch)

    Chinups
    BWx12, BWx10, BWx10, BWx8, BWx6, BWx4

    One arm Bent over DB Rows
    60x12, 70x8, 80x6

    Deadlifts (heavy set)
    225x10, 275x6, 315x4 (PR) I was strapped in for the 315, but I feel like I could have gone higher. But I was stoked about 315 for 4.

    Overall, best workout yet without a shadow of a doubt. Strength through the roof, 3 PRs in one day. I was high as a kite leaving the gym. My lifting partner (who doesnt know Im on gear) was absolutely blown away. Even some of the larger guys in the gym said something about my 315x4 for deads. Because compared to them Im tiny, hahaha.

    Mood: Fantastic, but the awesome lift helped.
    Libido: No noticeable change
    Energy: Very good all day
    Endurance: Excellent, getting better through my workouts
    Joints: Shoulder twinged a little when I dropped the 100s after my last set, but otherwise fine.
    Pumps: I felt swole today in the gym. Like my back and chest were popping out of my clothes, swole. I felt like I should look like someone twice my size
    Weight: Will weigh in on Saturday (Day 13) Hope to crest the 190 mark and if I don't Im hogging down mucho calories this weekend.

    To the feeling you get after an awesome day in the gym
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  6. i hope thats protein in them mugs great job.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  7. Thanks man, its always a great feeling knowing you're getting bigger, better, and stronger. And yeah, thats my post wo shake...whey, cycle support, and ground up oats. Although beer would give me some simple carbs

  8. My guess is the high GI/carb content of your buffet had a lot to do with the awesome workout. I always get the best pumps after a meal with some extra zing in it. You get the hydration, and glycogen loading of the carbs working and all just goes great.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  9. im to lazy to check all your workouts but sometimes it would be cool to switch your rep tempo

    instead of doing
    easy weight x 12 mid weight x8 heavy weight x1-5

    try
    warmup x15 easy weight x3 mid x2 max x WHATEVER...

    just some food for thought. either way CONGRATZ on moving the 100s woot. i will secretly add you to the 100lb db club. dont tell anyone else.


    o yea. ps. if you think eating one indian food mean is a cheat meal. u really gotta losen up bro haha

  10. agree with nycste and pr on the indian food. I eat indian food all the time and Im losing fat at the same time. Its not that bad. Wow! 100lb on db bench. Id rep you again but it wont let me. Nice work!

  11. Day 12


    Skipped out of work at lunch time and hit the gym. Its friday, my boss is gone, and I have stuff to do after work. So obviously I was running on fewer calories than I normally have before I lift, but other than that, same old same old. On to the workout!

    Workout:

    Light Shoulders today to get back into it

    DB Shoulder Press
    50x12, 55x8, 60x6

    Front/Side/Rear Lat Raises
    25x10, 25x10, 25x10

    Standing Military BB press
    95x10, 95x8, 95x7

    Standing BB Curls
    95x8, 95x5, 95x4, 65x10

    Concentration Curls
    35x5, 30x8, 30x6

    Skull crushers
    65x12, 75x8, 85x6

    Pulldowns
    95x12, 100x8, 110x8

    Felt like my biceps could use a little more...

    Standing Cable Curls
    40x15, 45x10, 50x8

    Overall, good workout. I'm going to really focus in the upcoming arm workouts on really blasting my triceps, and really focus on the contraction for biceps. Again, today had that awesome fullness all throughout the workout. Like my muscles are bigger...not pumped...just...bigger. Its hard to explain. Its not anything like the pumps you get on NO products or creatine. Just a good solid full/tight feeling.

    Mood: Angry day...work related, but an angry day all around.
    Libido: No noticeable change
    Energy: Very good all day
    Endurance: unlimited during workouts it seems
    Joints: Shoulder felt better working it today. It still pops every now and then, but no pain associated with it.
    Pumps: Same full/tight feeling as yesterday...I LOVE it
    Weight: Will weigh in on Saturday (Day 13)

    Looking much fuller in the mirror at the gym today. Will post pictures two mondays from now which will be the end of the PP and the second week of Epi...ie the midway point of the cycle.

  12. Final order from Nutraplanet.com today.

    10lb ON Whey
    4lb ON Casein
    NOW Fish Oil Capsules
    Retain 2
    PowerFULL
    Super Cissus Rx
    Poseidon

    Total: $250

    Cycle Total: $600+

  13. Man needs his protein.

    Looks like your getting what I like to referr to as contractile pumps(or dry pumps), where everything seems to always be in a semi contracted state. It's a pretty good feeling man, and really helps push those workouts even more. Sounds like it's working it's magic for ya man.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  14. Day 13


    Its the weekend finally. Got an early night in last night, slept in this morning. Woke feeling refreshed and surprisingly not very sore or tight. Hit the gym at 3 today with only two square meals under my belt (since I slept in).

    Workout


    Hanging Oblique Raises
    BWx10, BWx10, BWx10, BWx10, BWx10

    Squats (felt like going heavy today)
    225x6, 255x5, 275x3

    Leg Extensions
    140x12, 155x8, 170x6

    Leg Curls
    100x12, 110x8, 120x6

    Calf Raises
    250x15, 270x15, 290x12, 310x12, 330x10

    SLDLs
    135x10, 165x6, 185x4

    Goodmornings
    65x10, 85x6, 95x4

    15 minutes of brisk walking. Only downside is I completely forgot to weigh in today, so I'll have to wait until Monday's workout.

    Mood: Subdued, Im still dealing with work issues from yesterday.
    Libido: I think I've completely lost libido...it seems I have no desire to go out and hunt up some chicks. So I'm forcing myself out tonight with a buddy of mine.
    Energy: Good, constant energy
    Endurance: Still mighty good during workouts
    Joints: No issues, I think the cissus from Incarnate is helping my knees and shoulders.
    Pumps: Slight pumps after my Leg extensions
    Weight: Forgot, will weigh in Monday.

    Just waiting for my protein to get here...I have a feeling I'll run out today. I shouldn't have waited this long to order...but oh well Nutra delivers fast.

    Tomorrow is my last day of solo PP. Starting Monday I will be increasing the dosage of Form TD to 80mg/day, PP will stay constant at 30mg for the first few days, then drop to 20 mg for the rest of the week. The epistane will start monday at 10mg, and will ramp up to 20mg as soon as the pp drops to 20 mg for the rest of the week. So we'll see how well my body transitions from one to the other, and what differences I'll see. Until monday gents.

  15. cant run out of the protein. in cases of emergency i go to wal-mart and get the six star brand. its only $15 and i think its made by same people who make muscle tech. it really aint to bad.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  16. Just throwing this out there -- check into some of Doggcrapp's training principles to get you over those plateaus. DC stretches on my last set or two seem to help get me over those hurdles. Between cissus / and DC stretches I have been able to get my 235lb max bench (with pain) up to 275lbs (without.)

    STREATCH and you body will thank you.

    I am really thinking about diving into just a DC style workout when I do an epi cycle. That will definately be a shock to my system compared to how I lift now...

    Keep the log rolling Nabisco - great reading so far!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by DefTek View Post
    Just throwing this out there -- check into some of Doggcrapp's training principles to get you over those plateaus. DC stretches on my last set or two seem to help get me over those hurdles. Between cissus / and DC stretches I have been able to get my 235lb max bench (with pain) up to 275lbs (without.)

    STREATCH and you body will thank you.

    I am really thinking about diving into just a DC style workout when I do an epi cycle. That will definately be a shock to my system compared to how I lift now...

    Keep the log rolling Nabisco - great reading so far!!!
    Do you think you can post a link to this? Im really interested in this.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    cant run out of the protein. in cases of emergency i go to wal-mart and get the six star brand. its only $15 and i think its made by same people who make muscle tech. it really aint to bad.
    BodyFortress for 13 bucks, and taste pretty darn good too.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  19. Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    BodyFortress for 13 bucks, and taste pretty darn good too.
    prid i should have known you would go with the 'cheaper' one.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by metroba View Post
    Do you think you can post a link to this? Im really interested in this.
    http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005...anges-and.html

    DC training is legit and one of my personal favs to do.... not for the weak of heart as the rep/rest scheme is intense, not to mention the stretching.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  21. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    prid i should have known you would go with the 'cheaper' one.


    But it really is pretty good.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  22. Day 15


    Well I have bad news gentlemen. I weighed in today at 186, which is only +3.0 lbs from when I started two weeks ago and I can't even attribute that to solid gain. I mean ****, I've fluctuated more than 3 lbs between two days before. So I'm trying to figure out what is going on...and I've come to the conclusion that PumpingIron was correct. I feel that I must be overtraining. My last cycle of PP was in college, and I ate what I wanted probably 3 times a day if that. I'd eat 1200-1600 calories in one meal (dining hall food), and I gained 12lbs and leaned out incredibly. Now I'm eating 7 times a day, getting 400+ grams of protein, a good amount of carbs, and only healthy fats and look at me...no where. I've made some smaller strength gains, but the size just isn't there to back it up. I got so depressed about this during my lift, I cut it short. My solution for now...lifting only 3 times a week (MWF). Same program, since its got the compound exercises, but see how that treats the weight gain. I'm hoping that I'll see a sharp increase in weight by next monday, with the reduction in lifting days. Anyone feel free to toss your 2c in here. I'm very open to some ideas, programs, anything to increase size.

    Workout

    DB Bench Press
    60x10, 60x8, 85x4, Now my working sets 95x6, 95x2, 60x10 (w/ 5s negatives)

    DB Incline Press
    60x8, 60x8, 60x5 (Was wasted from bench)

    Flat DB Flys
    30x12, 40x8, 40x6

    Chinups
    13, 10, 7, 6, 5, 4

    Seated Cable Rows
    120x10, 170x8, 180x8, 200x8

    Cut out deadlifts...tossed some half-hearted abs in there.

    Dosed 40mg Form TD this morning and 40mg Form TD this evening. Dosed 30mg PP spread throughout the day, and 10mg Epi this morning. Other than that, all supplement dosing has stayed the same. I just have to remember that most people, including myself!, don't see large weight gains until the third and fourth week. I know what you're thinking because Im thinking it too. Shut your hole you pansy and lift some heavy damn weight.

  23. I have read up on the DC Training program and it seems reasonable. I've just never tried to develop a plan based off of it. If anyone would be willing to offer some help/advice on gearing a good DC program to gain some solid mass, Im all ears.

  24. On another note...I've really gotten the anabolic sh1ts for the past few days. I'm just trying to figure out how to stop it...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    On another note...I've really gotten the anabolic sh1ts for the past few days. I'm just trying to figure out how to stop it...
    Get some gut health. Will fix ya right up. Its for when you are taking in more protein and you are taking in a lot of protein. If you responded better in college to eating more=mass. Then try it out again. Plus you have what looks like a fast metabolism. Would prob be best to up your calories. My cousin had to eat (bwx20) instead of (bwx15) and it worked well. I have a mediocre metablism and its very hard for me to lose fat. I ate lotsssss of protein and then some stuff that isnt considered clean eating and i gained 9lbs and lost bf at the same time. Hope this helps. GL with the rest of your cycle.
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