Nabisco's Unnatural Transformation (PP/Epi/Form TD STACK)

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  1. yoo nabisco. im doing the same log. holy moly i didnt know about yours. whatup. hope everything goes well im on day 9 i think of phera starting epi at day 15 ithink checkout my page if ya want and we can turn out bodies into gods :P http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...tml#post885492


  2. Day 4


    Dosed same as the past few days. Got all 4000 calories today .

    Workout:

    BB Bench Press
    125x20, 155x10, 185x5, 205x3, 225x1 (this was the hardest 225 ever ), 135x9

    BB Incline Bench Press
    95x12, 105x8, 115x6

    Flat DB Flys
    30x12, 35x8, 35x6

    Pullover
    45x12, 45x8, 45x6

    Chinups
    BWx10, BWx9, BWx6, BWx6, BWx5, BWx5

    Bent Over Rows
    115x12, 135x8, 155x6

    Deadlifts
    225x10, 245x6, 275x4

    Crunches
    BWx25, BWx25, BWx20


    Mood: No real change
    Libido: No noticable change
    Energy: Lethargic during my lift. Might start taking Excell and Poseidon pre and during lift again.
    Endurance: Decent
    Joints: Good
    Pumps: Didn't feel pumped, but felt full

    I don't know. I feel fine while Im at work, I feel fine when I leave work, but as soon as I hit the gym lethargy just BAM slams me. I've not had this happen before and with me being so pumped all day about getting in the gym it makes no sense. I'm thinking about spreading the PP out over the day instead of dosing 20mg in the morning. See if that will help me even if its just in my head.

    I'm not feeling the strength gains yet, but hopefully on my next chest day, Monday I'll see some gains. The Form TD hasn't shown me anything yet, no tingle, no "rush", no reduction in chest fat, but I'm stepping up the dosage next week. Its a long cycle, and Im in it for the long haul, so hopefully I'll start to see some strength gains next week. Tomorrow I'm going to skip out of work early so that I can hit the gym while at full throttle mid-way through the day . So I'm looking forward to some light shoulders and heavy ass arms tomorrow. Peace.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by nycste View Post
    yoo nabisco. im doing the same log. holy moly i didnt know about yours. whatup. hope everything goes well im on day 9 i think of phera starting epi at day 15 ithink checkout my page if ya want and we can turn out bodies into gods :P http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...tml#post885492
    Sweet deal dude. I'll definitely check it out later tonight and keep up with it. It'll be good to see someone else doing the same thing so we can compare results and see what works best for both of us. Good luck with your cycle bro.

  4. Day 5


    I tried something a little different today with my dosing. I dosed my cycle support with breakfast, my form TD after my morning shower, but waited until my 2nd meal of the day to dose my 20mg PP. Other than that dosed my normal 3 Incarnate pre and 3 Incarnate post workout.

    I got out of work early today amped up about my workout and hit the gym about 1:30pm today. Same thing as before, due to my shoulder I did a lot of stretching and rotator cuff exercises and moved on to arms.

    Workout:

    Heavy BB Curls
    75x12, 95x8, 105x6(had to cheat on last two reps)

    DB Preacher Curls
    25x12, 25x8, 30x6

    Skull Crushers
    65x12, 75x8, 85x6 (too light, will definitely increase weight next lift)

    One arm cable pulldowns
    60x12, 60x8(reverse grip), 65x6

    Standing BB Wrist Curls (in front)
    65x12, 85x8, 95x6

    Seated reverse wrist curls
    25x12, 25x8, 25x6

    Reverse Crunches
    bwx25, bwx25, bwx25, bwx25, bwx25

    Today's workout felt pretty good, but for some reason on pretty much every single bicep workout my inner forearms were on fire and on the DB preachers my ligaments in my elbows were sore for the first two sets. As well as on my first set of skull crushers the ligaments in my elbows felt tight. I'm not sure what this is trying to tell me, but I'm going to double the amount of fish oil/flax seed oil Im taking. I'd increase my water intake but I'm already at ~2 gallons/day. I have my day off coming up on sunday so hopefully I'll be able to recharge.

    Another thing I noticed, and by noticed I mean when I got back from my workout today I ate, laid down on the couch @ 3:30, and just woke back up around 8:30 is that my body isn't getting enough rest. I hit the sack by 10pm-11pm, but I get up around 5-5:30 am, but this doesn't feel like enough on the PP. I had the same thing happen when I did my last PP cycle. I'd nap during the day to catch up. I just don't have the time to nap during the day anymore (as Im out of college). So this next week Im going to strongly focus on getting 8 good solid hours of sleep a night. And if the problem persists I'll have to add something like X dreams to make the best use of the 8 hours I have for my body to recover. I'll update tomorrow with my legs day and weigh in again at the gym. Looking forward to seeing that scale read a little bit heavier.

    P.S. I've seen absolutely no change in chest fat so far with the Form TD dosing 20mg AM and 20mg PM. I'll be upping the dosage as of sunday to 40mg AM and 20mg PM, as I've seen people talk about this being their "sweet spot". I'm not really expecting to see huge results in chest fat reduction until Im on the Epi and Form TD together, but I'd like to see something from the Form TD before then. We'll just have to see how next week goes.

    Now I'm off to take a .

  5. i have a feeling your patience and hard work will pay off.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
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  6. Day 6


    Had a good amount of sleep last night, didn't go out. Got up at a reasonable hour and got to making me some FOOD. My lifting partner and I finally got back on the same work schedules so we can lift together again, which always helps the motivation. Dosed Form TD after shower, cycle support this morning with breakfast, 20mg PP with 2nd meal, have been drinking my 25g Poseidon/2scoops Excell in a gallon of water throughout the day. Also am dosing multi, 4g fish oil with this current meal. Took 3 Incarnate pre wo and will dose 3 with the multi and fish oil.

    Workout: (Legs today and for the first day Im starting to feel stronger)

    Started with hanging side raises for obliques
    bwx10, bwx10, bwx10, bwx10, bwx10

    Squats: (was very tight leading into squats today)
    135x12, 185x8, 225x6 All of this was piss poor easy, so I'll go up a lot come wednesday's leg workout next week.

    Leg Extension:
    125x12, 140x8, 155x6

    Leg Curls
    100x12, 110x8, 120x6

    Standing Calf Raises
    250x15, 250x15, 250x15, 260x15, 270x15

    SLDLs (on a raised platform so the weights never touch the floor during reps)
    135x12, 165x6, 185x4

    Good Mornings
    65x10, 85x6, 95x4 (still don't want to go too heavy on these)

    Brisk walk around the indoor track for 15 minutes.

    Wow, good workout and everything felt light. Good sign there, crazy lower back pumps from the heavy SLDLs and Good Mornings. Overall a very enthusiastic workout.

    Mood: I was pumped and primed for my lift today
    Libido: No noticable change
    Energy: Great, lift today was awesome. Leaving the gym I had the urge to go do something, ANYTHING other than sit around.
    Endurance: Great, strength went up even in the later lifts
    Joints: Had no issues with my knees during squats or any other joints
    Pumps: Lower back pumps were rough, not debilitating(sp?) like Superdrol but definitely rough
    Weight: 185.5 (+2.0)

    Overall a great day. Tomorrow is my day off and Monday my dosage of PP gets bumped to 30mg and the Form TD gets bumped to 40mg am and 20mg PM.

    "Everyone wants to be big, but no one wants to lift no heavy ass weight." - THE Ronnie Coleman

    :squat:

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    Day 6


    Had a good amount of sleep last night, didn't go out. Got up at a reasonable hour and got to making me some FOOD. My lifting partner and I finally got back on the same work schedules so we can lift together again, which always helps the motivation. Dosed Form TD after shower, cycle support this morning with breakfast, 20mg PP with 2nd meal, have been drinking my 25g Poseidon/2scoops Excell in a gallon of water throughout the day. Also am dosing multi, 4g fish oil with this current meal. Took 3 Incarnate pre wo and will dose 3 with the multi and fish oil.

    Workout: (Legs today and for the first day Im starting to feel stronger)

    Started with hanging side raises for obliques
    bwx10, bwx10, bwx10, bwx10, bwx10

    Squats: (was very tight leading into squats today)
    135x12, 185x8, 225x6 All of this was piss poor easy, so I'll go up a lot come wednesday's leg workout next week.

    Leg Extension:
    125x12, 140x8, 155x6

    Leg Curls
    100x12, 110x8, 120x6

    Standing Calf Raises
    250x15, 250x15, 250x15, 260x15, 270x15

    SLDLs (on a raised platform so the weights never touch the floor during reps)
    135x12, 165x6, 185x4

    Good Mornings
    65x10, 85x6, 95x4 (still don't want to go too heavy on these)

    Brisk walk around the indoor track for 15 minutes.

    Wow, good workout and everything felt light. Good sign there, crazy lower back pumps from the heavy SLDLs and Good Mornings. Overall a very enthusiastic workout.

    Mood: I was pumped and primed for my lift today
    Libido: No noticable change
    Energy: Great, lift today was awesome. Leaving the gym I had the urge to go do something, ANYTHING other than sit around.
    Endurance: Great, strength went up even in the later lifts
    Joints: Had no issues with my knees during squats or any other joints
    Pumps: Lower back pumps were rough, not debilitating(sp?) like Superdrol but definitely rough
    Weight: 185.5 (+2.0)

    Overall a great day. Tomorrow is my day off and Monday my dosage of PP gets bumped to 30mg and the Form TD gets bumped to 40mg am and 20mg PM.

    "Everyone wants to be big, but no one wants to lift no heavy ass weight." - THE Ronnie Coleman

    :squat:
    nice man. goodmornings are great no need to max out. i think it would be totally foolish to max out and doing 95x4 reps is near max no? dont hold back unless your following a routine but there is no need to bump up to 135 and hurt urself or something

  8. i would think that bumping up the formestane will bring wecome results. up until now, ive never heard of anyone not reacting to it. big fan of formestane, hope you see the kind of results that ive enjoyed. good luck.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  9. Day 7


    Rest and relaxation. My one day off a week. I went out with some friends last night and played DD since the cycle started. Got plenty of rest and have done no strenuous physical activity today. Feeling fantastic and really looking forward to tomorrow, because not only do I up the dosage of PP to 30mg/day but the Form TD will get upped to 60mg/day. Pretty psyched about the expected results.

    On another note the fridge is restocked thanks to Sam's Club. My wallet returned a little lighter, but my fridge now has 12+ lbs of chicken, 5lbs of Orange Ruffy, Plenty more tuna, 5doz more eggs, 2 more gallons of milk. I'm hoping that'll last me about a week and a half. Stocked up and ready to bulk.

    Until tomorrow gents.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    Day 7


    Rest and relaxation. My one day off a week. I went out with some friends last night and played DD since the cycle started. Got plenty of rest and have done no strenuous physical activity today. Feeling fantastic and really looking forward to tomorrow, because not only do I up the dosage of PP to 30mg/day but the Form TD will get upped to 60mg/day. Pretty psyched about the expected results.

    On another note the fridge is restocked thanks to Sam's Club. My wallet returned a little lighter, but my fridge now has 12+ lbs of chicken, 5lbs of Orange Ruffy, Plenty more tuna, 5doz more eggs, 2 more gallons of milk. I'm hoping that'll last me about a week and a half. Stocked up and ready to bulk.

    Until tomorrow gents.
    that sounds like about 2 days in my house,just kidding. looking good.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  11. Day 8


    First day of 30mg PP!! Took 20mg in AM and 10mg at my 4th meal before lifting. Also upped my Form TD dosage from 40mg/day to 60mg/day. Applied 40mg this morning (20mg per pectoral) and 20mg right after my post workout shower. Im not sure whats going on but my chest workout today was yet again weaker than the first one at the beginning of the cycle. I can't quite fathom how this is, but so be it.

    Workout:

    Crunches
    BWx25 x 5 sets

    BB Bench Press
    125x20, 155x10, 185x5, 205x3, 225x1, 225x1, 225x1, 135x10

    Incline BB Bench Press
    115x12, 115x8, 115x6 (still trying to focus on flexing my upper pecs during this exercise, so Im going real slow and all the way down to my chest and back up to lock out)

    Flat DB Flys
    30x12, 30x8, 30x6

    Pullovers
    45x12, 50x8, 60x4

    Chinups
    BWx12, BWx8, BWx7, BWx6, BWx7

    Seated Cable Rows
    170x12, 170x8, 180x6

    Ran out of time and had to jet. So I missed the all important deadlifts. I think come wednesday Im going to Flat bench with DBs to see if I can't get past this whole 225 thing. Other than that the workout went well. Chest felt great, 225 just felt heavy .

    I didn't get much sleep last night, so that may be a contributing factor (only got like 3.5 hours). Just couldn't fall asleep. If this happens again Im buying a sleep aid.

    Mood: Pretty good throughout the day, felt kind of sluggish due to little sleep
    Libido: No noticeable change
    Energy: Not bad during the lift, I think the Incarnate helped out there.
    Endurance: No problems with endurance, its raw strength that Im struggling on.
    Joints: Shoulder gave a few twinges on heavy BB press, but when doesn't it?
    Pumps: No real noticable pumps, even though I blasted my chest today.
    Weight: Will be measured on wednesday (day 10)

    I have gotten the anabolic 's as over the weekend and today I've hit the loo at least two or three times. I'm attributing this to the sharp increase in calories. I've also found that I can't drink enough water. I blasted through 2 gallons today already and I still feel parched. Will increase water intake as well (poor bladder).

    :bb3:

  12. i always have trouble with sleep on cycle. this time ive been using powerful 3 caps hour before bed. sleeping like a baby.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  13. X-dream!! If you wanted you could save deadlifts for a leg day. Thats what I did.

  14. Day 9


    Well then gents, today has been a good day. I bumped up my calories a little bit, taking in some more lean meats and EFAs. I've spread my PP doses out throughout the day now. 10mg w/ breakfast, 10mg w/ lunch, 10mg post wo/w dinner. Only other thing different today was that I slammed a scoop of Excell and Poseidon before I hit the gym. On to today's lift. I've started doing abs first so that I don't skip them at the end and so my muscles are more warmed up.

    Workout:

    Reverse Crunches
    BWx25x5sets

    A couple of rotator cuff exercises thrown in here.

    Rear Lat Raises (light)
    20x12, 20x8, 25x6

    BB Curls
    85x12, 95x8, 105x6 (PR)

    DB One Arm Preacher Curls
    25x12, 30x8, 35x6

    Skull Crushers
    75x12, 90x8, 105x4 (PR)

    One Arm Cable Pulldowns
    60x12, 45x8 (reverse grip), 65x6

    Wrist Curls
    30x12, 30x8, 30x6

    Reverse wrist curls with the rope and weights thingy
    10x1set, 15x1set, 15x1set (I counted all the way up and all the way down as one set)

    Walked for 15 minutes

    Overall this was a pretty stellar workout for me. Hitting record highs on both BB Curls and Skull Crushers, my mass exercises have really got me pumped up. My arms were huge after today's workout, I mean filled to bursting huge. But it wasn't the normal type of pump, just a hard rock solid swollen muscle. Not that Im complaining, it was sweet. Vascularity has also come back to its peak. My forearms look like they have ropes going across them. All I can say is here comes the strength gains.

    Mood: Felt good, nothing euphoric, but good
    Libido: No noticeable change
    Energy: High throughout the day, not stimulant high but good non the less
    Endurance: Good
    Joints: Bah, my shoulder is still popping and moving during rotator cuff exercises. It feels like a tendon is sliding back and forth over the from of my joint, right about the front deltoid.
    Pumps: Not the pumps that Im used to, just a good rock solid fullness
    Weight: Will be measured on wednesday (day 10)

    Made sure I got to bed by 8pm yesterday so I could catch up on sleep. That may have helped as well. Will try to get as much sleep as possible tonight as well. Looking forward to putting up some weight tomorrow on Squats. Peace bros.:bb:

  15. goodjob on those pRs

  16. Nabisco, just droppin in to check on your progress. Keep the cals up with Phera. When I ran it, I had really high Protein, Moderate carbs and Fats...and ended up with minimal fat gain.

    I saw the biggest gains in weeks 3 and 4 of my run...both in size and strength.

    As far as the chest thing is concerned, I think you are holding a little water around the nipple. I get the same thing from time to time. It will go away by dropping sodium, increasing water intake and upping the cardio a bit.

    Best of luck!

  17. and make sure you apply 1 spray of formestane to each side of chest.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  18. How does that feel with the sensitivity of the nipples, out of curiousity?

  19. I love that forearm roller. Insane pumps in forearms. I look like popeye when im done.

  20. I've been applying all my Form TD to my lower-mid chest. Im currently at 60mg/day split 12 hours apart. I've seen absolutely no change in the "chest fat" as I'm calling it. There is no hard lump, no sensitivity, no nothing. Just what feels similar to the fat covering my lower abs on the lower/outer portion of my pectorals. I'm not sure how to better explain it than that, it just annoys the **** out of me to be honest.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron View Post
    How does that feel with the sensitivity of the nipples, out of curiousity?
    it hardens them up. makes it look like you got that wet look all the time. i like it.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    I've been applying all my Form TD to my lower-mid chest. Im currently at 60mg/day split 12 hours apart. I've seen absolutely no change in the "chest fat" as I'm calling it. There is no hard lump, no sensitivity, no nothing. Just what feels similar to the fat covering my lower abs on the lower/outer portion of my pectorals. I'm not sure how to better explain it than that, it just annoys the **** out of me to be honest.
    just make sure that you get 1 full squirt on each pec. maybe you werent reacting to the lower dose. hang in there, ive not heard of anyone not getting results on form. 60mg, how many squirts are you using? has libido gone up?
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  23. Each squirt is roughly 10mg supposedly. So now I do two squirts per pectoral each morning and one squirt per pectoral each evening. Each time is after a shower, and then I stand under a low hanging ceiling fan for ~5 minutes. The only reaction I have is that my nipples firm up for a few minutes, but other than that no noticable reduction in chest fat. And I know Im getting Form out of the TD solution because some of it crystallizes on my pecs afterwards. Maybe I just need a higher dosage?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    Each squirt is roughly 10mg supposedly. So now I do two squirts per pectoral each morning and one squirt per pectoral each evening. Each time is after a shower, and then I stand under a low hanging ceiling fan for ~5 minutes. The only reaction I have is that my nipples firm up for a few minutes, but other than that no noticable reduction in chest fat. And I know Im getting Form out of the TD solution because some of it crystallizes on my pecs afterwards. Maybe I just need a higher dosage?
    wait a day or so. if you dont see improvement bump it up to 4 squirts 2x day. form acts quick, so you will know if you got the right dose pretty quick.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Nabisco View Post
    I've been applying all my Form TD to my lower-mid chest. Im currently at 60mg/day split 12 hours apart. I've seen absolutely no change in the "chest fat" as I'm calling it. There is no hard lump, no sensitivity, no nothing. Just what feels similar to the fat covering my lower abs on the lower/outer portion of my pectorals. I'm not sure how to better explain it than that, it just annoys the **** out of me to be honest.
    A lot of people complain about PP and it's ability to cause excessive water retention either thru aromitization or mineral retention via endogenous system effects(kidney -renin/angiotension)causing increase salt reabsorption and decreased water excretion as PI mentioned. Sounds like your chest issue is just coming from a realative moderate BF% and increased retention in the surrounding tissue. From your description it doesn't sound like an estrogen effect. One thing to keep in mind is that Form has no effect on chest fat, but theoretically can starve glandular tissue(gyno) of estrogen resulting in possible reduction 'glandular' tissue not fat tissue. If you have a higher percentage of fat tissue around the chest area, form will not have much of an effect on this... something along the lines of lipoderm would suffice for that problem.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!


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