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    Just an update.

    Decline bench 315X5 up 20lb
    ATG squats 355X5 up 20lb

    I had at least 2 more reps in me on the big lifts but I dont train to failure!

    All other movements either increased reps or weight.

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    your running this 6 weeks correct? had a great workout myself today went from 320 to 340 on the hammer dip machine and im keto ..didnt expect a increase that big
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    Hey mmowry, throughout the thread you've been updating when there are new jumps in weights, ie "another 10 lbs to my incline." Can you compare your current lifts to where they started at the very beginning? Like on day 12, you said "My box squat is upto 355 and finished easily.bench is 305 finished easily .Deads 425 finished easily." What did they start at and where are they now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcendo View Post
    Hey mmowry, throughout the thread you've been updating when there are new jumps in weights, ie "another 10 lbs to my incline." Can you compare your current lifts to where they started at the very beginning? Like on day 12, you said "My box squat is upto 355 and finished easily.bench is 305 finished easily .Deads 425 finished easily." What did they start at and where are they now?

    Thanks a lot
    Im on a 2wk rotation so take 20 from my first posts and there you have it.So in my big lifts Ive went up 40lbs on all but flat bench but Im hitting it Weds I believe.Also I pulled 445 last wk

    Just to clarify Deads 5X445
    Flat bench 315X4
    Box squat 375X5
    ATG squat 355X5
    Dec Bench 315X5
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    Wojo Im running 7wks.These last 3 will be @40mg.
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    Question Couple questions...


    Does this compound actually lower esterogen or just block receptors???

    Does anyone think there is a chance of an estrogen rebound/delayed onset gyno, considering the user had a small case before the cycle???

    Would a short 2 week cycle (followed by an AI for PCT) be effective to reduce gyno????

    Would a SERM be totally necessary for PCT with this compound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDONDICI View Post
    Does this compound actually lower esterogen or just block receptors???

    Does anyone think there is a chance of an estrogen rebound/delayed onset gyno, considering the user had a small case before the cycle???

    Would a short 2 week cycle (followed by an AI for post cycle therapy) be effective to reduce gyno????

    Would a SERM be totally necessary for PCT with this compound?
    Well in 2 wks My gyno went away and the lump was close to the size of a dime.

    This compound is supposed to have a long lasting estro supression effect but Ill be using serms,AI, and test uncoupler and maybe a cort blocker.I was thinking about holding off on the AI to see if and when signs would occur but its so nice to have the lump and pain gone I dont know if I will do this or not.
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    MMOWRY: quick question off topic a bit but what do you mean when you say test uncoupler?? Thanks dont mean to pull this off subject.. by the way my two bottles of epistane came in today should be starting any day!
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    MassFX and many other natural test increasing supps are partially put together on the premise of freeing test from SHBG (sex hormone binding globulone I believe). So it should help you be more anabolic if used during p c t since more test is available even with lower total test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    MassFX and many other natural test increasing supps are partially put together on the premise of freeing test from SHBG (sex hormone binding globulone I believe). So it should help you be more anabolic if used during p c t since more test is available even with lower total test.
    Globulin .
    I am just saying that to mess with you because of the earlier posts lol.

    mowry- Is wojo running Epistane? If so where is his log?

    cdondici- This compound is mainly a 17b-estradiol receptor antagonist similar to other SERMs on the market but it does also antagonize the aromatase enzyme, so it does make it compete for inhibition of testosterone.
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    nah no log..running havoc..im def too sloppy to log
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    Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    nah no log..running havoc..im def too sloppy to log
    Ohh....you are running THAT product. Haha just kidding I have no quarrels whatsoever, let us know how you like it .
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    LMD can I have your cell # so I can confer with you before I make a post.

    Wojo is runnin Havoc and thanks for clearing up my muddy answers.LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    cdondici- This compound is mainly a 17b-estradiol receptor antagonist similar to other SERMs on the market but it does also antagonize the aromatase enzyme, so it does make it compete for inhibition of testosterone.
    So there would be a chance of estrogen rebound when you come off, correct? Would an AI be enough for PCT or would another SERM be necessary?
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    i believe a SERM is necessary....
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    i believe a SERM is necessary....
    Well its NEVER a bad idea thats for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDONDICI View Post
    So there would be a chance of estrogen rebound when you come off, correct? Would an AI be enough for post cycle therapy or would another SERM be necessary?
    an AI WILL NOT when test is low and estro is high
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    do you mean estro is low and test is high?

    because epi is an anti-estrogen......
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    do you mean estro is low and test is high?

    because epi is an anti-estrogen......
    True, but more of a receptor blocker than it is an AI. It will antagonize AI but it won't inhibit it as a non-competitive inhibitor would, such as 6-bromo
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    do you mean estro is low and test is high?

    because epi is an anti-estrogen......
    Sorry, I'm just going off the assumption that epi would still create negative feedback on test levels, like any steroid would. If estro were low, and test high, well isn't that the typical male hormone balance to begin with? If that were the case, there doesn't seem to be much of a point in running pct; however, I doubt epi's anti-estrogenic activity is pro-active.
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    lakemount? any comments/feedback on the above ^^^^^ statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    lakemount? any comments/feedback on the above ^^^^^ statement?
    I'm in day 5 or so of PCT and I must say it doesn't feel like it. Some might say my opinion is biased but honestly my libido is still very high and I haven't noticed any shutdown really. It is still a little early but I will keep you updated. I was actually surprised my libido stayed high even when taking 50mg ATD/day (usually ai's kill my libido)
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    Well from my experience test is low since there is some shrinkage going on thus shut down.So even though this is an anabolic anti E a serm for the first week and taper down and then add an AI during the second at a low dose and taper up for the rest of post cycle would be most beneficial.

    The Epis anti E effects on paper are long lived even after discontinuation but using Tam(for gyno prevention)+Clom(to get test jump started) and then an AI should be a fool proof method to get runnin and keep your gains.IMHO

    Oh sorry I know that Im not Lake.LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    I'm in day 5 or so of post cycle therapy and I must say it doesn't feel like it. Some might say my opinion is biased but honestly my libido is still very high and I haven't noticed any shutdown really. It is still a little early but I will keep you updated. I was actually surprised my libido stayed high even when taking 50mg ATD/day (usually ai's kill my libido)
    You young guys that are still catting around shouldnt have libido issues even if you were castrated.
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    And just to clarify there is MINIMAL shrinkage and LIBIDO is still rockin.Im still amazed every morning.
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    People take SERMs and AI's during their cycles all the time, but still need proper PCT. I just don't see how epi would be an exception just because it's anti-estrogenic in itself.
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    i think we are saying the same thing sinner! the discrepancy might be that people may think that an AI is ENOUGH of a PCT for this product. where it seems a SERM is a better option. or maybe BOTH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    i think we are saying the same thing sinner! the discrepancy might be that people may think that an AI is ENOUGH of a post cycle therapy for this product. where it seems a SERM is a better option. or maybe BOTH!
    I'd say that's pretty much the hierarchy of the whole PCT deal. Dr. D's AI inverse the SERM method is probably the best route to take.

    From experience having running only an AI for PCT, the cycle would need to be VERY mild for only an AI to suffice (weak compound for less than 3 weeks). The one thing I was trying to point out in my previous post is the fact that if you have reached HPTA shutdown, excess test converting to estro is going to be the least of your worries. Granted I don't know the harshness of Epi, I would say the normal 4-week cycle length is gonna shut you down pretty good, and a SERM is always the better of he two.
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    good posted, im going to watch this
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    People take SERMs and AI's during their cycles all the time, but still need proper post cycle therapy. I just don't see how epi would be an exception just because it's anti-estrogenic in itself.
    Agreed, I have said this MANY times in PM's to myself about the compound. In fact I just posted somewhere saying that just because the recovery in PCT is very easy because LH is kept high throughout (or at least not suppressed) throughout the cycle and it acts as a SERM, doesn't mean you won't get shutdown. You will get shutdown.

    HOWEVER, with that being said I am a week into PCT and libido hasn't been low yet and my strength is still really high and I feel great (I ran 30/40/40/40). I am running ATD 50mg-75mg (slowly ramping up) and toremifene 120mg and ramping down. I am only running the PCT two weeks as I know that is all I will need. Don't neglect the SERM's!

    There is a possibility to take this compound by pusing and possibly not shut yourself down. 20mg 3x per week with dosages not taken close to bed time should do the trick. You could take care of the high anabolism value and not have to worry too much about shutdown. There are a few people running logs on this style but they just started, I will be watching closely .
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    1month Results


    Body weight start-230lb now-238lb up 8lb and slightly leaner

    I ran Epistane @30mg/day

    OBSERVATIONS

    1) Within 2wks my pre-existing gyno was totaly gone
    2) Libido and sexual function were way up.
    3) BP was elevated but only slightly
    4) Mood was excellent
    5) No bloat
    6) Energy was up
    7) Recovery was great
    8) Sleep was deep
    9) Only minimal supression / the least Ive experienced on any anabolic

    MACRO GUIDELINES

    The only guidelines I had were to get in a minimium of 250gm of protein a day.Much of which came from shakes with oats.SInce I work 2 fulltime jobslife is hectic and sleep and rest were less than optimal.There were a few days that my eating was greatly compromised.

    CONCLUSION

    Epistane is a great strength and mass builder with low to no sides.With proper rest and nutrition results should be even better than Ive seen.

    WEIGHT PROGRESSION

    ROTATION 1 start finish

    ATG Squats x 5 315 355 = +40
    Pullovers x8 60 80 = +20
    Pullthroughsx10 100 120 = +20
    Bent Rows x 6 225 245 = +20
    S Bar curls x8 95 115 = +20

    Flat Bench x5 275x4 315x6 = +40+1 rep
    Inc Dumb x8 65 85 = +20
    Up Rows x10 115 135 = +20
    Skulls x10 95 115 = +20

    Deads x5 425 475 = +50
    Leg XT x10 125 165 = +40
    Pulldowns x6 130 160 = +30
    Hammercurl x8 80 100 = +20

    ROTATION 2

    Incbench x5 255x3 275 = +20 + 2 reps
    DB bench x8 75 90 = +15
    Military x8 120 135 = +15
    Tri Push x10 75 90 = +15

    Box squat x5 335 375 = +40
    G morning x10 160 185 = +25
    seated row x6 230 250 = +20
    Ham curl x10 55 85 = +30
    EZ curl x8 95 115 = +20

    Dec bench x5 265 315 = +50
    Flys x10 35 50 = +15
    S lat raise x10 20 35 = +15
    Dips x8 BW BW+25 = +33
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    WOW! Veryyyyy impressive results!!!! That more than *****s SD IMO!
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    Im very impressed especially since I actualy started taking it to combat my gyno.

    Dont get me wrong though;Ill keep the size and strength gains.
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    are people stacking this with anything else?
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