Epistane the anabolic GYNO destroyer
- 02-05-2007, 03:14 PM
- 02-05-2007, 04:03 PM
your running this 6 weeks correct? had a great workout myself today went from 320 to 340 on the hammer dip machine and im keto ..didnt expect a increase that big
- 02-05-2007, 04:06 PM
Hey mmowry, throughout the thread you've been updating when there are new jumps in weights, ie "another 10 lbs to my incline." Can you compare your current lifts to where they started at the very beginning? Like on day 12, you said "My box squat is upto 355 and finished easily.bench is 305 finished easily .Deads 425 finished easily." What did they start at and where are they now?
Thanks a lot
02-05-2007, 04:13 PM
Just to clarify Deads 5X445
Flat bench 315X4
Box squat 375X5
ATG squat 355X5
Dec Bench 315X5
02-05-2007, 04:17 PM
02-05-2007, 05:27 PM
Does this compound actually lower esterogen or just block receptors???
Does anyone think there is a chance of an estrogen rebound/delayed onset gyno, considering the user had a small case before the cycle???
Would a short 2 week cycle (followed by an AI for PCT) be effective to reduce gyno????
Would a SERM be totally necessary for PCT with this compound?
02-05-2007, 05:42 PM
This compound is supposed to have a long lasting estro supression effect but Ill be using serms,AI, and test uncoupler and maybe a cort blocker.I was thinking about holding off on the AI to see if and when signs would occur but its so nice to have the lump and pain gone I dont know if I will do this or not.
02-05-2007, 07:20 PM
MMOWRY: quick question off topic a bit but what do you mean when you say test uncoupler?? Thanks dont mean to pull this off subject.. by the way my two bottles of epistane came in today should be starting any day!
02-05-2007, 07:36 PM
MassFX and many other natural test increasing supps are partially put together on the premise of freeing test from SHBG (sex hormone binding globulone I believe). So it should help you be more anabolic if used during p c t since more test is available even with lower total test.
02-05-2007, 08:35 PM
I am just saying that to mess with you because of the earlier posts lol.
mowry- Is wojo running Epistane? If so where is his log?
cdondici- This compound is mainly a 17b-estradiol receptor antagonist similar to other SERMs on the market but it does also antagonize the aromatase enzyme, so it does make it compete for inhibition of testosterone.
02-05-2007, 08:48 PM
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02-05-2007, 08:56 PM
LMD can I have your cell # so I can confer with you before I make a post.
Wojo is runnin Havoc and thanks for clearing up my muddy answers.LOL
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02-07-2007, 06:21 PM
Well from my experience test is low since there is some shrinkage going on thus shut down.So even though this is an anabolic anti E a serm for the first week and taper down and then add an AI during the second at a low dose and taper up for the rest of post cycle would be most beneficial.
The Epis anti E effects on paper are long lived even after discontinuation but using Tam(for gyno prevention)+Clom(to get test jump started) and then an AI should be a fool proof method to get runnin and keep your gains.IMHO
Oh sorry I know that Im not Lake.LOL
02-07-2007, 06:24 PM
02-07-2007, 06:26 PM
And just to clarify there is MINIMAL shrinkage and LIBIDO is still rockin.Im still amazed every morning.
02-07-2007, 09:41 PM
People take SERMs and AI's during their cycles all the time, but still need proper PCT. I just don't see how epi would be an exception just because it's anti-estrogenic in itself.
02-07-2007, 09:57 PM
i think we are saying the same thing sinner! the discrepancy might be that people may think that an AI is ENOUGH of a PCT for this product. where it seems a SERM is a better option. or maybe BOTH!
02-07-2007, 10:49 PM
From experience having running only an AI for PCT, the cycle would need to be VERY mild for only an AI to suffice (weak compound for less than 3 weeks). The one thing I was trying to point out in my previous post is the fact that if you have reached HPTA shutdown, excess test converting to estro is going to be the least of your worries. Granted I don't know the harshness of Epi, I would say the normal 4-week cycle length is gonna shut you down pretty good, and a SERM is always the better of he two.
02-08-2007, 03:22 AM
02-08-2007, 09:37 AM
HOWEVER, with that being said I am a week into PCT and libido hasn't been low yet and my strength is still really high and I feel great (I ran 30/40/40/40). I am running ATD 50mg-75mg (slowly ramping up) and toremifene 120mg and ramping down. I am only running the PCT two weeks as I know that is all I will need. Don't neglect the SERM's!
There is a possibility to take this compound by pusing and possibly not shut yourself down. 20mg 3x per week with dosages not taken close to bed time should do the trick. You could take care of the high anabolism value and not have to worry too much about shutdown. There are a few people running logs on this style but they just started, I will be watching closely .
02-10-2007, 02:36 PM
Body weight start-230lb now-238lb up 8lb and slightly leaner
I ran Epistane @30mg/day
1) Within 2wks my pre-existing gyno was totaly gone
2) Libido and sexual function were way up.
3) BP was elevated but only slightly
4) Mood was excellent
5) No bloat
6) Energy was up
7) Recovery was great
8) Sleep was deep
9) Only minimal supression / the least Ive experienced on any anabolic
The only guidelines I had were to get in a minimium of 250gm of protein a day.Much of which came from shakes with oats.SInce I work 2 fulltime jobslife is hectic and sleep and rest were less than optimal.There were a few days that my eating was greatly compromised.
Epistane is a great strength and mass builder with low to no sides.With proper rest and nutrition results should be even better than Ive seen.
ROTATION 1 start finish
ATG Squats x 5 315 355 = +40
Pullovers x8 60 80 = +20
Pullthroughsx10 100 120 = +20
Bent Rows x 6 225 245 = +20
S Bar curls x8 95 115 = +20
Flat Bench x5 275x4 315x6 = +40+1 rep
Inc Dumb x8 65 85 = +20
Up Rows x10 115 135 = +20
Skulls x10 95 115 = +20
Deads x5 425 475 = +50
Leg XT x10 125 165 = +40
Pulldowns x6 130 160 = +30
Hammercurl x8 80 100 = +20
Incbench x5 255x3 275 = +20 + 2 reps
DB bench x8 75 90 = +15
Military x8 120 135 = +15
Tri Push x10 75 90 = +15
Box squat x5 335 375 = +40
G morning x10 160 185 = +25
seated row x6 230 250 = +20
Ham curl x10 55 85 = +30
EZ curl x8 95 115 = +20
Dec bench x5 265 315 = +50
Flys x10 35 50 = +15
S lat raise x10 20 35 = +15
Dips x8 BW BW+25 = +33
02-10-2007, 04:02 PM
02-10-2007, 04:29 PM
Im very impressed especially since I actualy started taking it to combat my gyno.
Dont get me wrong though;Ill keep the size and strength gains.
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