Epistane the anabolic GYNO destroyer
- 09-21-2007, 12:26 PM
- 09-21-2007, 01:03 PM
- 09-21-2007, 01:34 PM
As for xenoestrogens et al, I agree and my last gyno episode really came out of nowhere. I hadn't used any PHs for 8-9 months. I looked pretty dry too.
I can only speculate what factor or combination of factors caused it to flare...caffeine, high thyroid output, DHEA use..but really, none of those were in the extreme at all and shouldn't have caused it.
Really makes you wonder sometimes.
BTW, other than my gyno not going away totally, my Epi cycle was like a dream. Nice smooth gains, no mental disturbances, no shortness of breath, and only occassional fatigue that was probably unrelated. It is the ONE I will use most.
Thanks Again D!
09-22-2007, 02:12 AM
Just thought you guys would find this interesting in relation to Estrogen issues in our environment:
Identification and Quantification of Estrogen Receptor Agonists in Wastewater EffluentsOriginally Posted by Ottawa Newspaper
Mineralization of Steroidal Hormones by Biosolids in Wastewater Treatment Systems in Tennessee U.S.A.
09-22-2007, 02:23 AM
09-22-2007, 02:40 AM
50mg 6-Br > 150mg Formestane > 12.5mg ATD
Teslac and Exemestane have their place too, but require an Rx and are quite expensive.
I'm glad somebody else sees what's happing to us men! It's not good. Neo's post epitomizes the whole situation with the fish example. That's us guys, the fish down stream. It's in the food we eat, the contaminants in milk fat, the plastic, pesticides and industrial waste in our home and water supply, even the air we breath. Basically, you are going to feminize in the world today if you do not guard against it. More men get breast cancer now that ever before, but it can mostly be prevented with some smart preventative supplementation.
09-22-2007, 02:46 AM
09-22-2007, 02:47 AM
09-22-2007, 03:08 AM
Although progesterone does contribute to whining I'm convinced, lol.
09-22-2007, 03:15 AM
Do you work around chemical or solvents for a living, do you drink whole milk or consume lots of daily, do you live in a high population area where lots of industrial stuff is going on, do you heat your food in plastic in the microwave to survive (like most bachelors do, lol, I know how it goes) then it's not a bad idea if you answered yes to any of those! Just a little AI is all you need, not too much.
09-22-2007, 03:50 AM
09-22-2007, 07:58 PM
09-22-2007, 08:02 PM
well, jason brings up a question, Dr D, I don't recall reading too much that you've said either way about resveratrol. Care to share a tidbit?
09-22-2007, 08:18 PM
One also has to consider that there's the possibility for some of these xenoestrogens to not respond to AI's or being displaced by SERMs. There's a lot we don't know yet.
But I do like the idea of low dose 6 bromo. Using trans 6-oxo now..but getting tired of the whole lotion thing. lol
09-22-2007, 08:37 PM
09-22-2007, 09:20 PM
09-22-2007, 09:33 PM
I suppose a gram of active of resveratrol a day wouldn't qualify as low dose I was trying to match the rat studies corrected for metabolism. Once I was able to get it at that dose for under $1/day, i felt it was worth it
09-22-2007, 09:44 PM
09-23-2007, 01:44 AM
09-23-2007, 06:53 AM
This low price interests me too. What is the best quality for the lowest price with the highest potency at the moment?
09-23-2007, 08:43 AM
I'll probably get mod edited by yeahright but at least he'll have his answer the brand name is nutrabulk, and you can probably where to buy them for $99 for a bottle of 1000 100mg caps (that active, 200mg of 50%) if you search for em. I'm going to get some NOW quercetin to take along with them. For raws (which I also have) I comically can't quite get it as cheap but the brand where the 98+99% is the cheapest is Megaresveratrol, also search for them.
09-23-2007, 10:44 AM
When you guys start noticing libido and 'performance' issues, remember these words and drop the quercitin!
09-23-2007, 12:39 PM
Edit: Was also liking AI Post Cycle Support, if you guys wanna chime in on quercetin please do...
09-23-2007, 01:11 PM
Well I have always given any info I have freely, all you have to do is ask J. This is not a dig on PA, I don't play that tit for tat BS. I don't wanna see you guys mislead though. I have studied and experimented with all the isoflavones and bioflavinoids at some point, and quercitin has it's place. It's a great capillary protectant for selective use, but I would not ingest it daily. I have before and as I stated, my libido was history after about 2-3wks. It took about that long to return too once I abandoned the protocol! If you just need a phenolic scapegoat to enhance the resveratrol bioavailability, for goodness sake use chrysin or even naringenin.
09-23-2007, 01:44 PM
interesting. a number of formulas now use quercetin. But I get in plenty of naringenin between RPM + GFJ. maybe i forget the whole quercetin idea.
09-23-2007, 03:54 PM
09-23-2007, 09:27 PM
Quercitin is a complex critter. It usually has numerous polyphenols and phyto's such as Rutin,naringin/naringinen in it.
I've experimented with large doses of it for allergy control..before methyl B12 hit the scene...but I don't recall any libido changes. I'm married so I might as well not have one anyway. lol
09-23-2007, 10:34 PM
I'd love to see a great company like AI do a post cycle therapy product that would one up the rest of these estrogenic/progestinic formulas. They'd make a killing on it till everybody else caught up and started using an appropriate enzyme inhibitor like naringenin.
09-23-2007, 10:43 PM
09-23-2007, 10:45 PM
Can someone explain to me the active / 50% thing like does this mean of those 100mg pills you would have to take 200mg to get 50% worth of pure res?
09-23-2007, 10:47 PM
Actually still hijacking the thread for resveratrol's sake, PA mentioned something about resveratrol inhibiting its own passage thru the liver at high enough doses, but he never posted details. do you remember reading anything like that? I was wondering at what sort of dose it does that.
09-23-2007, 11:36 PM
09-23-2007, 11:55 PM
Let me change gears for a second. D what are ur thoughts on Flaxseed Oil being estrogenic? I started a thread awhile back at DA about Fish Oil vs Flax Oil and he brought that to my attention. What doses do u recommend for Flax oil so one could benefit from it and not get to estrogenic from it? Does that question make sense lol?
09-24-2007, 12:40 AM
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01-01-2011, 07:35 PM
i have a small lump under both my nipples the right one is slightly bigger, from a dbol cycle. i can get hold of tamoxifen would this get rid of it? thanks,
01-01-2011, 07:38 PM
i have a small lump under both my nipples the right one is slightly bigger, from a dbol cycle. i can get hold of tamoxifen would this get rid of it?
01-07-2011, 03:38 AM
I stopped drinking milk completely except for almond or coconut milk, working on getting microwave safe glass containers or at least the supposedly 'safe' plastic, and only clean my own home with soapnuts, vinegar, alcohol, and baking soda.
(Although when I have to go over and clean my gran's home she insists on chemicals)
Still i have read enough to know that you are exactly right.
And since a certain new AI is out, will probably be running that for long cycles.
01-11-2011, 12:41 PM
i been using quercetin to increase availability of mosr everything but green tea for too long.
capped wth bromelain out of thebottle, i figured a great combo with multiple benefits.
gonna have to drop this.
"And since a certain new AI is out, will probably be running that for long cycles."
GuyverX, which AI is that?
I have been using 7-methoxy a couple times a day for a bit, and have been loving it actually.
What are the opinions on 7-methoxy for long-term use?
it is cheap enough...
I picked up 20 grams for 20buxxx...
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