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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    DW I would like to hear your thoughts on this run of the Pink Magic; how does it compare to the beta that we ran? I am going to be starting mine very soon and would like to hear any observations you have. Curious what the increased dosage is going to be like.
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    Me too!!!

    I still have option 3 waiting in my cupboard at home, along with my next 4 weeks on swole and then my pp ph's which are on route
    Funny how you guys should mention this, as I just realized I have been so focused in on the grind of my workouts that I have ommited going over the effect the supplements are having on other aspects.

    First of all the training itself has been very ambitious and so it's safe to say the strength gains are there. Remember the last time I did HST I was on Prime and I have shattered some of those numbers already on PM and Prime. It's strange you don't feel that much stronger, you can just lift more. Certainly there are times when I feel bigger and stronger but during the workouts it is not obvious till the weight goes up. Strength gain is a 9/10 maybe higher, I'm not done yet... Oh and remember I am around 15-20 lbs lighter now and much stronger.

    Muscle volume is nasty, I feel huge at times. Definitely another 9/10 there has been some increased vascularity but not like when I was cutting.

    Recomp, despite having been very loose in my diet at times I feel I have leaned out slightly and my waist does seem a bit smaller.

    Size, this is the biggest surprise, I have gotten visibly bigger. Arms, legs shoulders are all looking very large.

    It's been such a grind like I said that it's just the six inches in front of my face, just getting enough energy together to get through the next workout. Every time I squat it's another PR, approaching PR's in other lifts now as well. Some lifts, it's been a very long time since I had this much power. I am so drained it's hard to enjoy it sometimes. My butt and legs hurt all the time. There is some added recovery in the stack or I would not have made it this far, some extra recovery since I started HGHPro again. Another big night again tonight.

    I would say that this is definitely stronger for me than the beta but it's much different circumstances, it's obviously more consistant. It's very steady as she goes. Remember I am continuously pushing the envelope here every workout is beyond where I have gone before. That's 3 times a week of doing this so if I make it then rest assured the product is very solid. Remember the numbers I am comparing it to are Prime numbers or numbers made while on Prime. PM is the biggest difference maker number wise.
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    Sounds good doug, I know what you mean on the grind though, I feel pretty much the same about my log and realise that I haven't talked much about the products for a while, will have to sort that out.... I've been tempted to add the magic, but I think I'm gonna run it solo or at least as was stacked in the option 3 package.

    I'll have to see when the PP stuff arrives and then try and workout when to run my first cycle of that, although I suspect I'm gonna have to leave that until the new year...

    'tis very very tempting to add the magic to my swole / DAA stack starting Friday, the last thing I want to do is waste it, but my gut tells me it really could add a little magic so to speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Thanks, I'm payin for it though. My legs are screaming and they're getting pretty big...


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    Quote Originally Posted by gwls View Post
    Sounds good doug, I know what you mean on the grind though, I feel pretty much the same about my log and realise that I haven't talked much about the products for a while, will have to sort that out.... I've been tempted to add the magic, but I think I'm gonna run it solo or at least as was stacked in the option 3 package.

    I'll have to see when the PP stuff arrives and then try and workout when to run my first cycle of that, although I suspect I'm gonna have to leave that until the new year...

    'tis very very tempting to add the magic to my swole / DAA stack starting Friday, the last thing I want to do is waste it, but my gut tells me it really could add a little magic so to speak
    Yah run them separate, more bang for the buck.

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    No pain no gain.
    According to this, I should be making some very big gains....
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    Just an off night last night, it got really hot and humid and by the time I got to the gym I was a bit toasted. I went up to 265 on front squats and wrapped my knees too tight and only get 5 reps, I remedied that and got 9 out of 10 reps on the second set.

    Front squats 265 X 5, 265 X 9 it just felt very heavy, and my focus was off.. will try this weight again on thursday.
    Db incline press (30 degrees) 90 X 10, 90 X 7 damn shoulder
    Lat pulldown 165 X 10 X 2 last couple reps on the second set were rough and could feel the pull in my shoulder..
    Bent over rows supine grip 155 X 10 X 2 getting challenging
    Push Press 140 X 9, 140 X 7 I was reeling by this time just plain dead.
    Decline Tri Extension 110 X 10 X 2 was a bit surprised how well this went on the first set the second was a battle.
    Obar curl 120X 10 X 2 Body English at the end of the second set.
    Calf raise 135 X 10 X 2

    Not Terrible but not the power I am used to having. I was a bit de-hydrated as I was sweating so much anything I drank went right through me, I needed electrolytes. Oh and I must have walked about 12 miles yesterday, it's definitely a factor but I am trimming down a bit because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Just an off night last night, it got really hot and humid and by the time I got to the gym I was a bit toasted. I went up to 265 on front squats and wrapped my knees too tight and only get 5 reps, I remedied that and got 9 out of 10 reps on the second set.

    Front squats 265 X 5, 265 X 9 it just felt very heavy, and my focus was off.. will try this weight again on thursday.
    Db incline press (30 degrees) 90 X 10, 90 X 7 damn shoulder
    Lat pulldown 165 X 10 X 2 last couple reps on the second set were rough and could feel the pull in my shoulder..
    Bent over rows supine grip 155 X 10 X 2 getting challenging
    Push Press 140 X 9, 140 X 7 I was reeling by this time just plain dead.
    Decline Tri Extension 110 X 10 X 2 was a bit surprised how well this went on the first set the second was a battle.
    Obar curl 120X 10 X 2 Body English at the end of the second set.
    Calf raise 135 X 10 X 2

    Not Terrible but not the power I am used to having. I was a bit de-hydrated as I was sweating so much anything I drank went right through me, I needed electrolytes. Oh and I must have walked about 12 miles yesterday, it's definitely a factor but I am trimming down a bit because of it.
    It was also very humid here for the end of Sept. I was like WTF when I was outside.
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    man those are some strong numbers DW! love the 90's on the incline press!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    man those are some strong numbers DW! love the 90's on the incline press!!!
    And here me thinking that my shoulder is fuggin me up and my numbers are low I do do much better with db's though. Bench is a fuggin disaster...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    It was also very humid here for the end of Sept. I was like WTF when I was outside.
    Never seen anything like it this late ... I could have used a quart of gatorade...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Never seen anything like it this late ... I could have used a quart of gatorade...
    Same here today very muggy ARGGGGG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    And here me thinking that my shoulder is fuggin me up and my numbers are low I do do much better with db's though. Bench is a fuggin disaster...
    That is why I quit bench press four years ago just not good for my shoulder and I have long arms, I get just as good if not better chest development from other exercises. Dorian Yates talks a lot about why bench really is not the best exercise. if it works for you great, just does not work for myself, decline bench works my chest much better than bench. incline as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    That is why I quit bench press four years ago just not good for my shoulder and I have long arms, I get just as good if not better chest development from other exercises. Dorian Yates talks a lot about why bench really is not the best exercise. if it works for you great, just does not work for myself, decline bench works my chest much better than bench. incline as well
    (when shoulder is okay to do them)
    I do get some good development from bench press but also have long arms. I had to make some adjustments to isolate the chest as I was a major front delt presser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Same here today very muggy ARGGGGG.
    94.7% humidity yesterday so you better believe I was prepared this time picked up some gatorade. On top of that it just rained and rained. On my way to the gym it was 50 minutes of hell...

    Front squats 265 X 10 PR, 265 X 9 Truth be told the reps on the second set were what I was most proud of, reps 2 through 8 were done very well, I was feeling good power.
    Db incline press (30 degrees) 95 X 7, 95 X 5 damn shoulder again when I start to get heavy it just folds.
    Lat pulldown 170 X 10 X 2 better than tuesday, all good reps
    Bent over rows supine grip 165 X 10 X 2 surpising power.
    Push Press 145 X 8, 145 X 6 right about here I hit the wall.
    Decline Tri Extension 115 X 10 X 115 X 8
    Obar curl 125 X 9 X 125 X 7 .
    Calf raise 140 X 10 X 2

    I had some good power in the begining but I set a very hard pace and lost it near the end.. oh well on to 5's totally different dynamic.

    The walk home was horrible as it was storm like conditions, think we must have set a record for rain.
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    holy PR!!!! that is a great lift there Doug!!!! well done mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    holy PR!!!! that is a great lift there Doug!!!! well done mate!
    Thanks... It's an increase of 35 lbs over the last time I did HST on Prime.
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    More nice work doug!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    94.7% humidity yesterday so you better believe I was prepared this time picked up some gatorade. On top of that it just rained and rained. On my way to the gym it was 50 minutes of hell...

    Front squats 265 X 10 PR, 265 X 9 Truth be told the reps on the second set were what I was most proud of, reps 2 through 8 were done very well, I was feeling good power.
    Db incline press (30 degrees) 95 X 7, 95 X 5 damn shoulder again when I start to get heavy it just folds.
    Lat pulldown 170 X 10 X 2 better than tuesday, all good reps
    Bent over rows supine grip 165 X 10 X 2 surpising power.
    Push Press 145 X 8, 145 X 6 right about here I hit the wall.
    Decline Tri Extension 115 X 10 X 115 X 8
    Obar curl 125 X 9 X 125 X 7 .
    Calf raise 140 X 10 X 2

    I had some good power in the begining but I set a very hard pace and lost it near the end.. oh well on to 5's totally different dynamic.

    The walk home was horrible as it was storm like conditions, think we must have set a record for rain.
    I had to drive to NY yesterday and it was pouring rain. I hate driving on the highway when it is pouring as those huge trucks decide they are going to blow by you and throw huge amounts of water making it even harder to see well ARGGGG!!!!!
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    Doug, what AI Sports Nutrition supplements are you using currently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwls View Post
    More nice work doug!!
    Thanks down to 5's this week will post my workout early tomorrow, better day today.

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    I had to drive to NY yesterday and it was pouring rain. I hate driving on the highway when it is pouring as those huge trucks decide they are going to blow by you and throw huge amounts of water making it even harder to see well ARGGGG!!!!!
    Dodged a couple waves coming from those guys coming across the Wellington bridge... fuggers...

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    Doug, what AI Sports Nutrition supplements are you using currently?
    Always taking Cycle support, HGHPro, Motivate, got low on glycobol so going to restock and save it for cutting. I was using stoked but that supply got low and I am using formestane now. Stoked and Glycobol are on my next order.
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    Much better workout now that I am using 5's some exercises were more challenging that I am comfortable with at this point in time with 5 more increases.

    Front squats 275 X 5 X 2 felt heavy but good power here.
    Db incline press (30 degrees) 95 X 5 X 2 Might not see many increases from here shoulder is just not taking the weight the way I would like.
    Lat pulldown 165 X 5 X 2 owned.
    Bent over rows supine grip 175 X 5 X 2 good sets
    Push Press 140 X 5 X 2 Had some problems with the first set and got mad and owned the second.
    Decline Tri Extension 105 X 5 X 2 owned
    Obar curl 130X 5 X 2 Completely crushed this, it felt very light
    Calf raise 130 X 5 X 2

    Like I said going to have to really drive to make some of these lifts go up, I have not been able to go above 100 on incline db press since the injury so I wouldn't expect to get to much higher. Not going to risk re-injury for ego.

    I got some good rest this weekend, my legs were a bit stiff yesterday but when I got up this morning they were better than last monday. Just to give you an idea, I walked 80 kilometers last week (about 50 miles). I trimmed down just a bit because my eating has been off on the weekends. I have to get that under control. I am getting away with it so far but I could have been pretty lean by now.
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    Ok just got caught up Doug and thanks for answering my earlier question above. You are moving some weight big guy, don't let the shoulder diminish the positive aspects of near constant PRs. I feel you on incline man, I have gone as high as 105 but my shoulders hate me after those days (it was actually on Pink Magic I did that too) so I can't do it anymore. I actually switched to decline/incline bench press now and I have less issues which is very surprising to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Much better workout now that I am using 5's some exercises were more challenging that I am comfortable with at this point in time with 5 more increases.

    Front squats 275 X 5 X 2 felt heavy but good power here.
    Db incline press (30 degrees) 95 X 5 X 2 Might not see many increases from here shoulder is just not taking the weight the way I would like.
    Lat pulldown 165 X 5 X 2 owned.
    Bent over rows supine grip 175 X 5 X 2 good sets
    Push Press 140 X 5 X 2 Had some problems with the first set and got mad and owned the second.
    Decline Tri Extension 105 X 5 X 2 owned
    Obar curl 130X 5 X 2 Completely crushed this, it felt very light
    Calf raise 130 X 5 X 2

    Like I said going to have to really drive to make some of these lifts go up, I have not been able to go above 100 on incline db press since the injury so I wouldn't expect to get to much higher. Not going to risk re-injury for ego.

    I got some good rest this weekend, my legs were a bit stiff yesterday but when I got up this morning they were better than last monday. Just to give you an idea, I walked 80 kilometers last week (about 50 miles). I trimmed down just a bit because my eating has been off on the weekends. I have to get that under control. I am getting away with it so far but I could have been pretty lean by now.
    Looking good DW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Ok just got caught up Doug and thanks for answering my earlier question above. You are moving some weight big guy, don't let the shoulder diminish the positive aspects of near constant PRs. I feel you on incline man, I have gone as high as 105 but my shoulders hate me after those days (it was actually on Pink Magic I did that too) so I can't do it anymore. I actually switched to decline/incline bench press now and I have less issues which is very surprising to me.
    I have issues with all chest exercises, it helps when the db's are closer together and it puts less stress on my shoulder.
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    man Doug those are STILL some serious numbers my friend. Oh and I am loving that orange flavored cycle support!!! In some vanilla protein it is MONEY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    man Doug those are STILL some serious numbers my friend. Oh and I am loving that orange flavored cycle support!!! In some vanilla protein it is MONEY
    Yah it's pretty decent tasting, if you had tried the previous versions of chocolate then you'd know what a miracle that really is. Used to be the absolute worst. Well it tasted precisely like vomit...
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    buahahahaha gratefully my friend I never had the pleasure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    buahahahaha gratefully my friend I never had the pleasure!
    Pleasure lol that's funny. I think it's the red rice yeast that causes most of the problem but it's not the only unpleasant element. This orange they use seems to be ideal for hiding the taste, pretty remarkable. The stuff works well too, I noticed a big improvement in prostate health and my supps just seem to work a bit better, I think it might be my liver is cleaner or healthier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Pleasure lol that's funny. I think it's the red rice yeast that causes most of the problem but it's not the only unpleasant element. This orange they use seems to be ideal for hiding the taste, pretty remarkable. The stuff works well too, I noticed a big improvement in prostate health and my supps just seem to work a bit better, I think it might be my liver is cleaner or healthier.
    agree. At first dose the smell REALLY threw me off. But when I tasted it I was VERY surprised! Don't know who made that, but I will continue to use for years to come!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    agree. At first dose the smell REALLY threw me off. But when I tasted it I was VERY surprised! Don't know who made that, but I will continue to use for years to come!!
    Yah don't smell it... lol it smells like it used to taste..
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    It is really good with some Crystal Lite
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    It is really good with some Crystal Lite
    I imagine it would be, I just take mine straight.

    Thank God for HGHPro, I slept almost 8 hours last night and only woke up once to use the bathroom. There definitely seems to be some enhanced recovery as well. Believe me I need all the recovery I can get.

    Left hamstring is still tweaked, good thing I stopped the deads when I did, note.. don't do deads for HST. What the fug was I thinking!! Deads 3 times a week!! It just doesn't work,.. well not for long. I will be adding them back in during PCT from the EPI-Strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I imagine it would be, I just take mine straight.

    Thank God for HGHPro, I slept almost 8 hours last night and only woke up once to use the bathroom. There definitely seems to be some enhanced recovery as well. Believe me I need all the recovery I can get.

    Left hamstring is still tweaked, good thing I stopped the deads when I did, note.. don't do deads for HST. What the fug was I thinking!! Deads 3 times a week!! It just doesn't work,.. well not for long. I will be adding them back in during PCT from the EPI-Strong.
    Did I just read that Doug is going to be running Epistane? You dirty old man turning to the dark side! Good stuff!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Did I just read that Doug is going to be running Epistane? You dirty old man turning to the dark side! Good stuff!!!!
    Yah won a bottle so going to run it when this is done. I also won a bottle of Erase and was supposed to log it but trouble with the mail. Now they're resending it and want me to run it but I don't know if it's a good idea to run erase while on Epi clone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah won a bottle so going to run it when this is done. I also won a bottle of Erase and was supposed to log it but trouble with the mail. Now they're resending it and want me to run it but I don't know if it's a good idea to run erase while on Epi clone.
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    I agree I would run the Erase solo as Epi will dry the joints out pretty well on it's own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    only if you hate your joints and want to punish them
    lol I hate my joints but don't want to punish them any further...

    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    I agree I would run the Erase solo as Epi will dry the joints out pretty well on it's own.
    That's what I thought but I feel bad that I have to wait to run the Erase till PCT as it got delayed. I actually still haven't gotten it. It's the same old fuggin problems we experience with the monthly supps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    lol I hate my joints but don't want to punish them any further...



    That's what I thought but I feel bad that I have to wait to run the Erase till PCT as it got delayed. I actually still haven't gotten it. It's the same old fuggin problems we experience with the monthly supps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Do you have a pct plan all worked out at this point DW?
    Yah TRS, Testopro, Bulk DAA, Tor (low dose), Erase and Cycle Support for support. Will be running HGHPro right through cycle and PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah TRS, Testopro, Bulk DAA, Tor (low dose), Erase and Cycle Support for support. Will be running HGHPro right through cycle and PCT.
    Looks good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Looks good to me.
    Yah might be a little over-engineered but I like to do that
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