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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Weight training sessions at night?..in that case, you'd be better off utilizing AP for your preWO meal (w/ carbs) and going sans carbs after, just using that protein shake.
    The Pslin load following FT at rising is a great idea, as it's early enough in the day that you'll burn off that larger carb load, but I don't think I'd try that at night on a regular basis (unless you're in ketosis and using that as a carb-up meal)..
    To me tho, the whole idea of a fasted weight training session only makes sense in the morning, before you eat anything. Fasted cardio in the day, now that's a different story.
    Ok I'll go light carbs preworkout with AP...
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    Got to agree with Snag. With fasted cardio + plenty of BCAA's & Leucine, I can drop bf with almost no muscle loss, load up on carbs PWO, then train around lunch and still see steady progression. Carbs at night are an individual thing; some tolerate them anytime. I don't do so well with them I'm realizing.
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    wow , great work keep it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Got to agree with Snag. With fasted cardio + plenty of BCAA's & Leucine, I can drop bf with almost no muscle loss, load up on carbs PWO, then train around lunch and still see steady progression. Carbs at night are an individual thing; some tolerate them anytime. I don't do so well with them I'm realizing.
    My schedule only alows me to work out at night but I am getting in 2 or 3 fasted morning cardio sessions a week along with my other cardio sessions.
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    I am continuing to be surpised at the kind of strength I am capable of during these low carb days. My shoulder and arm workout was quite good with decent stamina. On my third set of side lateral raise I again actually gained reps... I'm like where the fug did that come from.

    I did a weigh in and was down 5.5 lbs !! From about 10 days ago. I then remembered I was pretty carb depleted. I will try again Sunday with some carbs in me. I would have to say there is some fat loss but not 5 lbs by any stretch of the imagination. It's a little discouraging sometimes as sudden fat loss leads to looser looking skin and makes me doubt my goals. I'll tighten up I know. A lot of the reason I decided not to compete this year is so I can give my skin a chance to tighten after being overweight for so long. If I can get down and maintain 10 to 12% over the next year I should have improved quite a bit. It also gives me a chance to increase my size somewhat (not really a big priority).

    Fasted cardio with AP this morning followed by 400 mg plsin 70 grams of carbs via oats... don't know if it's enough as I am not feeling that energetic but I have nothing else planned for today so maybe I'll just let it ride.
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    Ok this has happened about 3 times in the last while... I have been just sitting at work or last night watching TV and I get insatiably horny... I mean instant wood for no apparent reason at all.. I am talking about the kind that hits you and you can't control .. like when you first hit pruberty. Now I may be the most oversexed 50 year old on the planet and I've always been that way but I can't remember anything like that in recent history.

    Now to track it down ... I know Eform does raise my libido but I did not experience anything quite like this.. TNT did not do this first time around so that leaves Refresh and Powerfull. Probably a combination of all of the above. I gotta tell you this is pretty wild. Sex is way better too.... like mind blowing.
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    TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE !!!

    I am staring down the barrel of my first morning fasted AP workout and it's going to be a tough one .. Yah I picked leg day and it's one of the toughest workouts I do followed by some crushing weighted ab work then a little low intensity cardio.

    If I don't make it back it's been nice knowing you all lol

    Let me break it down 2 Meltown 3 Musclean and 3 Refresh upon waking 7am

    Preworkout after some stretching and core work 4 Refresh 1 AP 3 Powerfull 2 scoops Jacked 3 scoops dominatp

    Post workout shake 1/2 cup of oats 2 scoops myofusion, 1 banana, 1 soop waxy maize and about 400 mg plsin

    Workout 4 superets front squats and leg extensions

    4 supersets leg curls SLDL's

    4 supersets seated calf and standing

    3 sets of Wheel of death
    3 sets ab crunch machine
    3 sets of weighed oblique extensions ss back extension
    3 sets of decline weighted leg extensions

    30 minutes of light cardio

    Should be interesting ... yah I know I'm crazy...and on top of that my partners just canelled on me. Who will call 911 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE !!!

    I am staring down the barrel of my first morning fasted AP workout and it's going to be a tough one .. Yah I picked leg day and it's one of the toughest workouts I do followed by some crushing weighted ab work then a little low intensity cardio.

    If I don't make it back it's been nice knowing you all lol

    Let me break it down 2 Meltown 3 Musclean and 3 Refresh upon waking 7am

    Preworkout after some stretching and core work 4 Refresh 1 AP 3 Powerfull 2 scoops Jacked 3 scoops dominatp

    Post workout shake 1/2 cup of oats 2 scoops myofusion, 1 banana, 1 soop waxy maize and about 400 mg plsin

    Workout 4 superets front squats and leg extensions

    4 supersets leg curls SLDL's

    4 supersets seated calf and standing

    3 sets of Wheel of death
    3 sets ab crunch machine
    3 sets of weighed oblique extensions ss back extension
    3 sets of decline weighted leg extensions

    30 minutes of light cardio

    Should be interesting ... yah I know I'm crazy...and on top of that my partners just canelled on me. Who will call 911 lol
    You'll be fine, buddy! Looking forward to your update!
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    Trying to get a better idea of your timing on these FT workouts..how long do you stretch for, and what's the total time between waking & the actual training session? I'm guessing @30min or so.
    I'm thinking I'd recommend a couple supp shifts..and I like to take 1 cap Lean Out (along w/ MuscLean) prior to workout, esp for rising FT..
    So PowerFULL, AP, MuscLean, Lean Out, Meltdown upon rising.
    I like that postWO shake!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Trying to get a better idea of your timing on these FT workouts..how long do you stretch for, and what's the total time between waking & the actual training session? I'm guessing @30min or so.
    I'm thinking I'd recommend a couple supp shifts..and I like to take 1 cap Lean Out (along w/ MuscLean) prior to workout, esp for rising FT..
    So PowerFULL, AP, MuscLean, Lean Out, Meltdown upon rising.
    I like that postWO shake!
    It's actually a couple hours before the workout starts... ok I will add the lean out next time. There is a gap between my morning supps and my preworkout supps. The gym doesn't open till 9. It all worked very well though and I am very pleased with myself.

    Man I loved that post workout shake...

    It was fuggin Glorious!!

    I was a bit light headed at times and definitely out of breath but I crushed it.

    250 lb front squats (seemed light but didn't what to push it) with 150 lb leg extensions for 4 sets I owned it!! These were some of the best front squats I have ever done very deep very controlled I am glad I did not go super heavy cuz this is the way I want to do this exercise the technician in me is very pleased!!!

    Leg curls 150 ss 175 lb SLDL's for four sets 10 and 6 ... crushed that too!!

    Calf raises where very good as well but they always are.

    I did hit the wall on Wheel of death I did 9, 6 and 6 and I was on the floor gasping after each set ... I really attacked these though I am getting better for sure.

    The rest of the ab work went very well but I will admit I was exhausted.

    When I got to cardio I was really sucking wind I told myself I would just do what I could and about half way through got my second wind and finished. I kept on thinking about how good that shake was going to taste may it was like heaven...

    I felt so good about finishing this and I am on a real endorphin high!! The six inches in front of your face!! That's what it's all about!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    You'll be fine, buddy! Looking forward to your update!
    Yah I lived through it
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    Another thing I wanted to mention is I am already seeing some nice fat loss.. this mornng I was looking quite a bit leaner. I do feel however my carbs are a bit low as I do seem to respond well to AP and Pslin I will ease them up a bit. I am thinking 150, 250, 350 depending on the requirements so it will be more like a sliding scale. low days 100 to 150, medium 200 to 250 high 300 to 350. I have a lot more mass to feed than I used too lol
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    Sounds like a good time to experiment w/ higher carbs..I like it.
    I understand now you're timing on the supps. Yeah if you're rolling w/ that honestly I'd go away from the FT protocol and do Pslin w/ 60-80g+ carbs for breakfast (715am), hit your PowerFULL at @ 8:30 along w/ your other preWO supps, and hit the training at 9am..then, you could structure your rotating carb days from there, using AP as required.
    I think waiting for 2hrs in the fasted state before training is a little long bro, you're pushing catabolic effects, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Sounds like a good time to experiment w/ higher carbs..I like it.
    I understand now you're timing on the supps. Yeah if you're rolling w/ that honestly I'd go away from the FT protocol and do Pslin w/ 60-80g+ carbs for breakfast (715am), hit your PowerFULL at @ 8:30 along w/ your other preWO supps, and hit the training at 9am..then, you could structure your rotating carb days from there, using AP as required.
    I think waiting for 2hrs in the fasted state before training is a little long bro, you're pushing catabolic effects, imo.
    I know I was thinking about it but wanted to try it anyway. If I slept in a little later I guess that would be better... I may try sleeping till 8 am maybe if I can. If not maybe just take some carbs early like you say. I'll just play it by ear.
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    Man I can't believe how many carbs are being transported using these compounds. I ate about 220 grams yesterday and it seemed like just enough. Today is a low day and I'm shooting for about 120 grams but won't be afraid of going up to 150 or so if things get rough.

    Boy was I baked after the Sunday morning fiasco. Can't wait to go at it again though 250front squats seemed so light when I get more comfortable I should be able to push it up quite a bit.

    Chest and back tonight ... long workout. I will do an AP and about 60 grams of carbs with my preworkout meal.
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    Great workout ... pace and strength were all there. I went up 5 lbs on db flat bench press and 5 on incline flies ... 10 on decline db press but only 5 on the drop.

    Up 15 lbs on wide lat pulldown and reverse grip pulldown but did not maintain it all the way through.

    We finished about 15 minutes sooner than the previous week. Great pace and intensity. I could really feel the BA almost like AP with some carbs helped it along. I felt the tingle in my muscles it seemed. AP causes a warm feeling in my muscles that I don't seem to get from Pslin.

    So I started out around 247 and am down to around 242 which is a little too fast for 10 days. I will up the carbs like I said ... this is uncharted territory for me ...doesn't even feel like I am dieting I get to eat quite a bit, and more carbs than I could ever have imagined. I could do this forever... it's a fuggin breeze.
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    Worked out my last 4 week training on this run... I will do month 2 of the Freak training outlined in the asteroid stack. I have done similar routines with good success and it looks pretty solid to me. I may change some exercises ....

    The last 4 weeks I will be changing to Prime as well ..will run 6 ed for the first 2 weeks and then 6/9 during the last 2 weeks. Then it's one week off then 8 weeks Prime DTHC ... Prime will be ramped 6 ed for 2 weeks 6/9 2 weeks 9/12 2 weeks finishing off 12/15. This takes me up to mid August where I'll do another break.

    That's the rough plan anyway... will completely diminish my Prime reserves ... will be looking for a sale...
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    Did a more realistic weigh in this morning (done after a heavy carb day) and it has me at 243.6 which is about 4.5 lbs down (now on day 12). I think I have the rapid weight loss under control by bringing my carbs up and I feel fuggin great!!

    Had my left side massaged yesterday ... feels pretty damn good, not when it was happening mind you .. some definite pain involved. Pain is less fun when it's not self inflicted. I think I'm on the right track now. Will do a lot of stretching and core exercises before the workout tonight. Shoulders and arms.
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    Everything's looking good up in heah DW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Everything's looking good up in heah DW!
    Yes Sir ... just smoothin out the bumps....
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    Can't believe the quality of workouts I am getting while dieting... Yesterday was a low carb day and I still smashed it!! Up 2.5 lbs on rear delt db exercises but with added ferocity. Up 50 lb on db side lateral raise.

    On to arms ... up 10 lbs on rope pressdown
    Major improvement on alt db incline curls and prone db curls

    Just feeling strong and agressive all the way through, my arms are looking killer too!!

    Pretty tired today a bit low on energy time to carb up have had 80 grams ..need more!!
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    Carb up day was just ok... went out for pasta at this place where they make everything fresh, I had heard good things. Well they give me this little fuggin bowl of pasta and sauce and seafood and it was good but damn it was not enough to feed a mouse. I was pretty disappointed, I grabbed a protein bar which had some carbs in it. That place is off my list. I can't stand that, places that feed you like your a 2 year old, I'm a 240 lb monster ... I need to be fed!! I live in old Montreal where there is a lot of trendy places like that, you have to avoid a lot of places. I went into this one trendy restaurant called Steak and Frites .. thinking maybe I could get a decent steak as I heard from someone that it was pretty good. Well I get in there and find out there biggest steak is like 9 ounces. WTF!! I ordered 2 ... I should have just walked out.

    Well it's probably fairly obvious the TNT has me fairly agressive so the test is definitely up.

    2 week assessment time ... well I am leaner no doubt ...I can see it everywhere. I have to say I am very pleased. Concerns I do have are pocket fat and loose skin. I am not sure Napalm is doing it's job very well. Could be the area's are just looser though. Time will tell .. I switch off to Lipoderm Ultra tommorow. My love handles do seem diminished but I still have some fat around my ceratisus area near my chest that I don't ever remember being such a problem. Hopefully it will sort itself out.
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    Damn, the biggest they had was 9oz? That's weak! I will not go any place for a steak. There's a butcher shop that I get all my red meat from that has the best f*cking steaks in the world. I buy around $100 worth and grill them myself (not all $100 worth at once).

    So are you switching to Lipo-Ultra, or off? Sorry, just need a bit of clarification.
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    Yah start Lipo Ultra tommorow... just finished 2 weeks of Napalm so will do 2 of Lipo then back on Napalm again.

    Man I'm goin to the butchers lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    I buy around $100 worth and grill them myself (not all $100 worth at once).
    But why not??
    9oz..yeahhh, riiight. That's hors d’ oeuvres!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    But why not??
    9oz..yeahhh, riiight. That's hors d’ oeuvres!!
    I felt insulted...

    Not to worry I have a place I really love all you can eat lol It's like 30 bucks ... a brazillian place and they keep bringing the meat on a sword till you say no more... !!! That's my kinda place!!

    Oh and the sides are rice and yams...!! I don't fill up on that though...
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    A 9 oz. steak??? What's that, like 3 bites?

    If I go out for steak, I'm getting at least a 20 oz, and I'm eating half of my gf's too. And why is it that 90% of the time I order my steak medium rare or rare it comes back medium-well or well done?? I swear, nobody knows how to grill a steak these days...

    Iron Lungz is right though, if you want it done right you've gotta do it yourself. I would *MUCH* rather go pick up some nice cuts and grill them myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaddow View Post
    A 9 oz. steak??? What's that, like 3 bites?

    If I go out for steak, I'm getting at least a 20 oz, and I'm eating half of my gf's too. And why is it that 90% of the time I order my steak medium rare or rare it comes back medium-well or well done?? I swear, nobody knows how to grill a steak these days...

    Iron Lungz is right though, if you want it done right you've gotta do it yourself. I would *MUCH* rather go pick up some nice cuts and grill them myself.
    Yah the little lady likes to get out once in a while though and we live right in the heart of old Montreal which is renowned for their quisine.. I have found some good places but avoid the nouveau places as they cater to pencil necks.

    I have to find a better butchers around here the Quebec beef kinda sucks ... gotta find me a butcher that stocks Alberta beef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    ...There's a butcher shop that I get all my red meat from that has the best f*cking steaks in the world.....
    Don't be so sure! Have you tried steaks with my stamp of approval!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Don't be so sure! Have you tried steaks with my stamp of approval?
    Fixed

    Nope, but one day when you're in the States, we can have an old fasioned cook off!
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