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  1. Sounds great DW!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Damn fine iron slingin session!! What can I say this is kickin in early, full credit to the Phyto and Supersap. Something synergistic with the Prime I figure. The workouts I am having now late in the first week and early in the second are remenisant of week 3 of my first Prime run. I keep pushing up the weight and it's hard to find the ceiling on some exercises. This is shocking at times. I walked away from decline flies without finding my ceiling, I did more reps with more weight, than I could conceive.

    I really pay for it the next day but these workouts are damn fine.

    The libido is still very high, I am in a state of constant readiness, well it's not that crazy but it's very intense.

    Oh I seem to put on some size as well, I was looking bigger ... wider.
    Sounds good! I can't wait to try some TD Form in a few weeks once it comes in. I think I'll start my SuperSap with it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Sounds good! I can't wait to try some TD Form in a few weeks once it comes in. I think I'll start my SuperSap with it.
    Form is one of the best products I've ever encountered. It keeps me young...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  4. Couldn't pass up that Prime 2 for... so here's the new plan, I will keep running 6 a day for the first 5 weeks then when things get heavy from weeks 6 through 9 I will add 3 pre-workout... gonna get all kinds of crazy un in here lol

    I also decided to later do a 8 week more intense recomp come spring.. I got some Anabolic pump and Meltdown (recreate has an adverse effect on my equilibrium). I also got some bulk Pslin and more Napalm so I can run 2 weeks Napalm 2 weeks Lipoderm Ultra. This will likely be with a Prime/ Powerfull stack.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  5. ooooooh, ****e's getting ready to hit the fan..
    Sounds like someone's trying to get back up on that stage..
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    ooooooh, ****e's getting ready to hit the fan..
    Sounds like someone's trying to get back up on that stage..
    Shhhh ... the wife might here you
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  7. Options...

    I am mulling over what I should do about my change in venue...

    I don't want to start my recomp/cut too late, if I continue with the current plan I will run this current stack to mid April then I need a week down time. Then I don't want to run Prime back to back so I would have to run a 4 weeker of TNT which takes me till the end of May before I can start my cut. That's a little late.

    I could start my cut with the TNT run and carry it over into Prime/Powerfull run. Which would start mid April

    Third option would be to finish the last 4 weeks of this cycle on TNT and start my Prime/Powerfull cut in mid April.

    So what do you guys think...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  8. Don't ask me dude.. I'm liable to change my mind by tomorrow..
    But, I'm a little confused by the timeframe of option 1. If it runs to mid-March and then you take a week off, run 4 weeks of TNT, that would be end of April, no? At which time you could pick up the Prime/PowerFULL to run thru the cut..

  9. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Don't ask me dude.. I'm liable to change my mind by tomorrow..
    But, I'm a little confused by the timeframe of option 1. If it runs to mid-March and then you take a week off, run 4 weeks of TNT, that would be end of April, no? At which time you could pick up the Prime/PowerFULL to run thru the cut..
    Your right If I continue for the full 9 weeks that would be mid April then on week off then 4 weeks of TNT... I'm confusing myself.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  10. Ok here's what I've decided ... Option 2 with some twists or alterations. I will continue on this 9 week run and add 3 caps of prime pre-workout immedietely. At the end of 5 weeks I will add Neovar for 4 weeks and ... increase my Prime intake to 9 a day 12 on workout days. This is going to be a heavy duty 4 weeks 5/5/5/8/12 reps for most exercises.

    Then I take my week off (gonna need it) I will start my cut using TNT, Meltdown, Powerfull and AP. I will likely cycle in some bulk Pslin here and there on carb days (don't have it worked out yet), when the TNT is gone after 4 weeks it's back on prime at 9 a day 12 on workout days. Oh and I will be 2 weeks on Neovar and 2 weeks on Lipoderm throughout the 8 weeks. Wow this sounds good when I see it written out. Still some more tweaking to do.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  11. Ooooh nice my man! I especially like that Prime protocol!
    I think you've planned this well for just a rough draft; dig that carb cycling w/ the Pslin too. All the supps look good.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Ooooh nice my man! I especially like that Prime protocol!
    I think you've planned this well for just a rough draft; dig that carb cycling w/ the Pslin too. All the supps look good.
    Thanks.. I am still at a bit of a loss on how I am going to manage the carb cycling. I want to take advantage of the AP on the empty stomach and understand I could alternate that with Pslin using carbs. What about off days where I just do cardio... same principle ? I guess I am just trying to figure out when I will use Pslin and when to use AP... I'm a nutrient partioning Virgin have been putting it off for so long.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  13. Many different ways to carb cycle bro..
    You could take the every 3rd day approach (like if you're running a 30/50/20 c-p-f split, run a 60/30/10 intake every 3rd day, then stretch it out to every 4th day after awhile).
    Or, you could just drop in an addtl hi-carb meal as last meal of the day every 3 or 4 days, using Pslin prior to that..
    Or, you could have a more set carb-rotation going on, like 250g carbs total the first day, 150g the second day, and 75g the third day, back to day 1 for 4th day, etc. and just bunch a large portion of carbs around your training session on the first & second days of the rotation, using Pslin + large carbs prior to training on those days..
    These days wouldn't have to line up with any set day in your training rotation. I feel better 'intellectually' when it does line up, but this is really not necessary..
    I'm sure you'll figure it out, you're a pretty smart guy. Just play with it for awhile.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Many different ways to carb cycle bro..
    You could take the every 3rd day approach (like if you're running a 30/50/20 c-p-f split, run a 60/30/10 intake every 3rd day, then stretch it out to every 4th day after awhile).
    Or, you could just drop in an addtl hi-carb meal as last meal of the day every 3 or 4 days, using Pslin prior to that..
    Or, you could have a more set carb-rotation going on, like 250g carbs total the first day, 150g the second day, and 75g the third day, back to day 1 for 4th day, etc. and just bunch a large portion of carbs around your training session on the first & second days of the rotation, using Pslin + large carbs prior to training on those days..
    These days wouldn't have to line up with any set day in your training rotation. I feel better 'intellectually' when it does line up, but this is really not necessary..
    I'm sure you'll figure it out, you're a pretty smart guy. Just play with it for awhile.
    I used to do something similar to the last scenario except I ran 3 days at a time at each level so it ended up being a 9 day rotation instead of 3. Currently my higher carb days are the days after workouts, seems to be the time I demand them most. I like the idea of the 3 day cycle and using Pslin on the high carb day. So 400 mg of Pslin before high carb meals on high carb days, if it is on a workout day Pslin with some oats pre-workout. Otherwise on medium and low carb days AP with carbs on without carbs pre-workout if it falls and a workout day. Sound good ?
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    So 400 mg of Pslin before high carb meals on high carb days, if it is on a workout day Pslin with some oats pre-workout. Otherwise on medium and low carb days AP with carbs on without carbs pre-workout if it falls and a workout day. Sound good ?
    Yep, sounds like a good plan man.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Yep, sounds like a good plan man.
    Thanks .... so let be written...so let it be done. Like to have my ducks in a row.

    So I can really feel the supps kickin in, alpha male feeling is off the charts, here I am all pumped and ready to go and I haven't even taken my jacked yet and my 3 Prime pre-workout. It's gonna be scary in the gym tonight.

    4 pm jacked
    4:30 cardio
    5:15 light meal 2 prime
    7:00 3 prime Phyto-Test and SuperSap

    Yes very scary...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  17. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yes very scary...

  18. I will follow along and try to learn more about recomping as an endo.

  19. Well not as scary as I would have liked... let me tell you about the rest of my day...

    I get home to do my HITT cardio and am locked out of my building because of a gas leak. I live in old Montreal and there is a lot of construction going on and I guess the hit a line. It was a bad one so they had to evacuate us. I sat in an emergency bus for 2 hours. I was really jacked up so I was anxious about my workout. They finally let us back in and I got ready to go to the gym took all my sups.

    I had a bad start on military press, I did not get the chance to do my shoulder routine when I got home and I think it was a little stiff and I gripped the bar a little too wide. So no real progress from last week but I didn't to an worse. Same story on Triceps but I was really jacked up so after I did my close grip bench I hit the floor for close pushups till fail. At least I know I got everything out of it I could. I was really perculating, fire in my eyes. I hit the straight bar preachers with a vengeance, up 5 lbs for last week and I got 15 and 11 on the drop ... too fuggin light, now I'm cooking and mad... up another 5 just barely squeaked out 12 and 7 on the drop. Now to the magic 3rd set, it didn't let me down 13 and 7 and then finished off 11 and 6 on the forth. This is a 10 lbs increase on a high rep routine. Sort of made up for the rest of my day... something was salvaged.

    Another point is I have not been on Prime for 2 weeks yet...I have nothing to complain about.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  20. I love happy endings...way to turn it around DW!! And things are PRIMED for more to come.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  21. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    I love happy endings...way to turn it around DW!! And things are PRIMED for more to come.
    Yah it just took a while to get my focus I guess...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  22. But you did and that's what counts!!
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  23. Yep -- that's the real deal deal right there: how we take adversity & build from it. That's true quality my friend!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Yep -- that's the real deal deal right there: how we take adversity & build from it. That's true quality my friend!
    Thanks... I was fighting all the way true... I was so hyped about this workout for a real heavy alpha male surge later yesterday afternoon. The addition of test boosting supps has definitley made my experience more... fullfilling. The agression I was feeling was very primal. Hard to explain I just wanted to tear it up...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  25. Does this sum up the feeling DW??


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    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
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