2 DAYS ON RECREATE/PWFULL/AP-feeling like an alpha FE-MALE !!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    Females can most DEFINITELY USE these products safely! However, like with anything else, there is 'hype' that females are so different to males and that anything that will help a male will be detrimental to a female (or, even worse, make her 'like a male', which is a ****load of ****). People need to educate themselves. (yes, a small Rosie rant). And yes, they can be a great thing for a female to have on board.
    We're still talking about the test boosters I'm planning to take (Anabolic Edge, Activate Xtreme, Divanex), right?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    I had a look at your stack and I though: whoaaa, I wouldn't mind some Anabolic Edge and Activate Xtreme but I got to force my self to take it eeeeasy on supps
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    Seriously , looking at the list of ingredients, there is no reason for women to avoid these products! Quite on the contrary, any female who is serious about building muscle would very likely benefit from this type of supplementation.
    I was just saying I have no idea whether or not women can safely take test boosters. If they can, I don't understand why they'd be marketed EXCLUSIVELY for men either. It would seem to me like supplement companies would be missing out on some profit, and women would not be getting a fair look at all of their options.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    People need to educate themselves. (yes, a small Rosie rant).
    I haven't had any reason to educate myself as to what women can/cannot take because I'm a dude! But I'm interested to know, none the less!


  2. Nice job-Keep us updated on your progress.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by shaddow View Post
    We're still talking about the test boosters I'm planning to take (Anabolic Edge, Activate Xtreme, Divanex), right?

    I was just saying I have no idea whether or not women can safely take test boosters. If they can, I don't understand why they'd be marketed EXCLUSIVELY for men either. It would seem to me like supplement companies would be missing out on some profit, and women would not be getting a fair look at all of their options.

    I haven't had any reason to educate myself as to what women can/cannot take because I'm a dude! But I'm interested to know, none the less!
    Yep, females CAN use testosterone boosters safely. The testosterone increase in a female would be insignificant enough to cause any side effects seen by the use of steroids. Besides, testosterone is useful in a female.

    It also depends on the individual, though. Nettle root (the active ingredient in Activate Extreme and Divanex) can interfere with the menstrual cycle and decrease the effectiveness of BC, which is why they recommend it for males only. But there is no reason why females cannot use these products.

    Well, they say that "you learn something new every day".
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    Yep, females CAN use testosterone boosters safely. The testosterone increase in a female would be insignificant enough to cause any side effects seen by the use of steroids. Besides, testosterone is useful in a female.

    It also depends on the individual, though. Nettle root (the active ingredient in Activate Extreme and Divanex) can interfere with the menstrual cycle and decrease the effectiveness of BC, which is why they recommend it for males only. But there is no reason why females cannot use these products.

    Well, they say that "you learn something new every day".
    I will take your word for it! Thanks for the lesson, Rosie!

  5. Since I’ve already decided to do a proper log, I should introduce myself and my goals properly as well, for those of you who don’t know me all that well

    I’m a biochem nerd, gym junkie and amateur mountainbike racer. I have been training with weights for about a year and a half and made some reasonable gains. I took on weight training mainly as a stress relief strategy and never thought that it would soon become a major focus in my life. I would REEEALYYYY like to compete one day but at the moment I just don’t have enough muscle to show off.

    At the moment, I am ~120lb and 13-15% BF. Being a female I find it hard to put on muscle (that is relatively speaking, I’m certainly not an ectomorph woman). Most of my workouts involve compound movements, deads, squats, chins, powercleans, etc (max dead 165lb, 6reps). I see guys in the gym all the time, lifting less then I do in terms of their bodyweight and yet they grow like weeds even with bad form!

    I seem to be a Carb II Reactive individual (damn it!!!), I do gain some minute amount of muscle when I increase carbs but 99% excess of this goes straight into my butt (haha! I feel like the whole 13-15% of my fat is there

    ….which brings me to my mission “impossible” : lean bulk .... I bet nobody guessed that one!

    My choice of weapons are PowerFULL, AP & Recreate

    Other than that, my current list of supps is the following :

    * BCAA, glutamine, b-alanine, arginine ethyl ester, colostrum

    * ALCAR, Q10, fish oil

    * MRM Driven (workout formula: Na, K, Ca, P, Cl, vit B complex, vit C, Citrulline
    Malate, Dimethylglycine&Endosine, ALCAR,L-Tyrosine, Alpha—glycerol phosphatidyl choline, L-glutamine, L-asparagine, L-Potassium Aspartate)

    * Nutralife Oxyguard (gingko, bilberry, milk thistle, grapeseed, green tea, turmeric, korean&siberian ginseng, citrus bioflavonoids, betacarotene)

    * Nutralife horse chestnut complex (horse ch, ginkgo, bilberry, butchers broom, gotu kola, hesperidin, vit C),

    * liver support formula, bromelain

    Holy smoke, I only just realized how much $hit I’m taking !

    DIET(6 meals/day):

    *Protein (kangaroo, fish, organic chicken, WHOLE eggs),
    *Fats (flaxseed, fish oil, nuts, coconut),
    *Carbs:
    Veggies (ALL OF THEM !!!)
    Complex carbs (oats, brown rice, wholemeal and rye bread)
    Fruit (grapefruit, apples and berries).

    Now don’t ask me about macros because I’m not a true calorie counter, instead I like to “listen to my body” and generally have quite a good idea when I under- or over-do it, especially the later Since my main current goal is muscle building rather than cutting that should work to my advantage, haha !!!. I’m hoping that AP and PwFULL will help in the muscle-building department and the “synergy” of AP& Recreate should keep fat storage under restraint !

    TRAINING:

    4 x week: weights
    HIIT Morning cardio 3 x week
    *Cardio on off days

    *I know that looks like a lot of cardio but I don’t have a car so I ride my bike everywhere, + my body is used to that

    SUPPLEMENTATION:

    1. 30min b4 morning cardio: 1PowerFULL + Recreate (1 or 2, still experimenting)
    2. Immediately b4 cardio: 1AP (cardio 20-30min, HIT)
    3. Breakfast: includes complex carbs

    4. 20-30min b4 third meal/pre-training meal: 1AP
    Meal includes complex carbs

    5. 10min b4 workout (approx 1hr after third meal):
    Recreate+PowerFULL (depending on what I dose in the morning, do not want to go over 3 Recreate/day, same with PowerFULL)

    6. Workout drink:
    10g BCAA+5g glutamine+ALCAR+, b-alanine, arginine, ethyl ester)

    7. Immediately PWO & 30min b4 PWO meal: 1AP
    PWO meal: includes complex & simple carbs

    PowerFULL and Recreate are separated at least an hour from meals. With AP I am planning to start off with 30-40g of carbs per meal and ramp it up according to response. On NON-WEIGHT training days PowerFULL would be omitted, but I would still take Recreate and AP.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post

    ….which brings me to my mission “impossible” : lean bulk .... I bet nobody guessed that one!
    Your training and nutrition are spot on. This is going to be an extremely successful 'trip'...

    We are all rooting for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    \\ USPlabs Alpha Ginger //

  7. Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post
    Your training and nutrition are spot on. This is going to be an extremely successful 'trip'...

    We are all rooting for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Breaking PBs - great stuff DF!

    I see no reason why females (Alpha Fe-Males no less) should not be taking natural test boosters either.

    But Im thinking of a NEW product that is not a test booster per se, that to my knowledge hasn't been used by females....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jakellpet View Post
    But Im thinking of a NEW product that is not a test booster per se, that to my knowledge hasn't been used by females....
    I like the way you think...
    \\ USPlabs Alpha Ginger //

  9. Thanks FELLOW MALES, borobulker and JKP, words of approval are always welcome, and constructive criticism even more so

  10. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    Thanks FELLOW MALES, borobulker and JKP, words of approval are always welcome, and constructive criticism even more so
    Once your body has become accustomed to AP, you may wish to try taking it pre fasted cardio - there is some synergies there which can ellicit greater fat-burning potential.

    However, you need to ensure your body can handle at least 45 minutes (in my opinion - you may wish to check with one of the reps) between dosage and carb consumption without going hypo.

  11. a bit late with the updates...

    DAY 6


    9AM (yeah, ok, shush everyone, I know I was a lazy a$$ to get out of bed but it was the weekend so give me a break )

    Started off with 2Recreate and without PwFULL, had a FIRM intention to do a VERY SHORT HIIT session, but boy I was WRONG …within 10min of dosing I was switched on HIT instead: High Intensity, Intervals. Sprinted for 25 min, felt like I could have gone for longer but wanted to spare my knees ‘cause they are not used to 3 HIIT running sessions/week (and this was the third one).

    Afternoon was supposed to be used for rest but I promised to teach a friend how to do deadlifts .

    Hit the gym at 3pm but my friend wasn’t there so I though, I should play with weights a bit just for fun (nothing to hard, this is MEANT TO BE A REST DAY, DAMN IT!!!). WRONG AGAIN !

    I was still running HIGH from the morning dose and so before I knew it I was doing a gruelling superset : pyramid cable bicep curl + pyramid cable tricep pulldown (didn’t go for deads ‘cause I’ve already done them this week, see day 2). What makes this gruelling is the PYRAMID system, anyone who has tried it before knows what I’m talking about .

    Usually I do only one superset on these and then take 5 min to recover before I’m able to hold a pen and take notes, haha !! Well, after doing the first pyramid superset I thought: one is like none, so I went on and did another! I even bumped the weights up cause I felt my arms could take some further damage .

    There was still no sign of my friend and at this point I thought: hope he doesn’t come at all cause I want to keep going

    My wish was granted, total time in the gym 1hr. I popped 1Recreate/1PwFULL in the middle of the workout and when it was over, I still had some steam left in me so I went for a 20min spin on my bike. Felt great, pumped and NOT EXHAUSTED AT ALL!

  12. DAY 7

    Rest day .

    Slept only 5hrs after a night out (no drinking, alcohol and me agree NOT), woke up mildly cranky, took 1 Recreate ONLY and went for a 20min ride to “organize my thoughts for the day”.

    I was pleasantly surprised from a single dose of Recreate, it kicked in just right (I didn’t feel like I was running on illegal substances ), I didn’t have the urge to do ANY form of HIT, but I didn’t have the urge to call it quits and crawl back into bed either. Took 1 more Recreate in the afternoon. Mood improved, I was VERY HAPPY and RELAXED….prior this stack, me + 5 hrs of sleep =

  13. Quote Originally Posted by shaddow View Post
    I will take your word for it! Thanks for the lesson, Rosie!
    You're welcome


    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    Since I’ve already decided to do a proper log, I should introduce myself and my goals properly as well, for those of you who don’t know me all that well

    ...

    At the moment, I am ~120lb and 13-15% BF. Being a female I find it hard to put on muscle (that is relatively speaking, I’m certainly not an ectomorph woman). Most of my workouts involve compound movements, deads, squats, chins, powercleans, etc (max dead 165lb, 6reps). I see guys in the gym all the time, lifting less then I do in terms of their bodyweight and yet they grow like weeds even with bad form!

    I seem to be a Carb II Reactive individual (damn it!!!), I do gain some minute amount of muscle when I increase carbs but 99% excess of this goes straight into my butt (haha! I feel like the whole 13-15% of my fat is there

    ….which brings me to my mission “impossible” : lean bulk .... I bet nobody guessed that one!

    ...
    Eating more definitely will help you gain muscle (I know it works for me, 4000+ cal/day yes, no ****). As for carbs, they're NOT the important thing in gaining muscle mass; PROTEIN IS! And yes, for a female gaininig muscle IS a lot harder than for males, simply because we do not have the testosterone levels that they do (even if we manage to INcrease them, and I'm not talking steroids). However, realtively (and you'll get a kick out of this), females tend to be stronger and more powerfull than males. Also, females find it a lot easier than males to gain muscle in their LOWER body...As for a 'lean bulk', you DO have to be very careful with your diet here (diet is the KEY!). You WILL gain SOME fat, yes, but it can be controlled. As for supplements, I found that NeoVar and IGF-2 did this exceptionally well for me (very similar to the products that you are using)...So, good luck, lady.

    Log continues to look good. Very thorough.
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    Contact [email protected] for INDIVIDUALIZED Fitness Management
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by jakellpet View Post
    Once your body has become accustomed to AP, you may wish to try taking it pre fasted cardio - there is some synergies there which can ellicit greater fat-burning potential.

    However, you need to ensure your body can handle at least 45 minutes (in my opinion - you may wish to check with one of the reps) between dosage and carb consumption without going hypo.

    Thanks, I'll give it a go JKP, I think I could handle 45 min but we'll see, the fun of experimenting...

  15. Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post
    Your training and nutrition are spot on. This is going to be an extremely successful 'trip'...

    We are all rooting for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html

    "Root (verb and noun) : synonym for f*ck in nearly all its senses: "I feel rooted"; "this washing machine is rooted"; "(s)he's a good root". A very useful word in fairly polite company. "

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    You're welcome

    Eating more definitely will help you gain muscle (I know it works for me, 4000+ cal/day yes, no ****). As for carbs, they're NOT the important thing in gaining muscle mass; PROTEIN IS! And yes, for a female gaininig muscle IS a lot harder than for males, simply because we do not have the testosterone levels that they do (even if we manage to INcrease them, and I'm not talking steroids). However, realtively (and you'll get a kick out of this), females tend to be stronger and more powerfull than males. Also, females find it a lot easier than males to gain muscle in their LOWER body...As for a 'lean bulk', you DO have to be very careful with your diet here (diet is the KEY!). You WILL gain SOME fat, yes, but it can be controlled. As for supplements, I found that NeoVar and IGF-2 did this exceptionally well for me (very similar to the products that you are using)...So, good luck, lady.

    Log continues to look good. Very thorough.

    Agree, protein is important however, thus far I've been following a keto-like diet with very little carbs. My protein intake was (and still is) around 2g per pound of muscle if not more (more=overkill). I also tended to go "stupid" on fats. While this type of dieting wasn't bad for my body type, I found myself stuck in a rut. Workout intensity went down and increasing carbs seemed to help in that respect...not without the price of accumulating too much "dirt" though.

    I started a carb-feeding cycle about a month ago and persisted despite getting frustrated over the acquired soft-look. For the last week, due to the addition of AP, I increased carbs even more. Workouts have been great so far and the soft-look is not getting any worse If anything, it is improving, I can actually notice some definition in my upper thighs for a change

    Also, there are no bloating or sleepiness-issues following a carb meal. This was not a case before a stack. Give me some porridge in the morning and an hour later I'm ready to join the "dead"

  17. I started a carb-feeding cycle about a month ago and persisted despite getting frustrated over the acquired soft-look. For the last week, due to the addition of AP, I increased carbs even more. Workouts have been great so far and the soft-look is not getting any worse If anything, it is improving, I can actually notice some definition in my upper thighs for a change
    this is textbook results of Anabolic Pump - it will only improve

    "Root (verb and noun) : synonym for f*ck in nearly all its senses: "I feel rooted"; "this washing machine is rooted"; "(s)he's a good root". A very useful word in fairly polite company. "
    lol - was NEARLY going to make a smartarse comment...

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jakellpet View Post
    lol - was NEARLY going to make a smartarse comment...
    HAHA ! I doubt you not

  19. FYI - perhaps you should become a Gold Member?

    dragonfly has exceeded their stored private messages quota and can not accept further messages until they clear some space.

  20. DAY 8

    So far, on weight training days (afternoon workouts) I’ve experimented with:

    *2Recreate/1PwFULL morning
    1Recreate /2PwFULL afternoon (prior workout)

    *2Recreate morning
    1Recreate/2PwFULL afternoon

    *1Recreate/1PwFULL morning
    2Recreate/1PwFULL afternoon

    And the winner is ….

    *2Recreate morning
    1Recreate/2PwFULL afternoon


    GENERAL NOTES:

    RECREATE LITERALLY RECREATES YOU. I’m not an “early morning” person and I’ll find any possible excuse to avoid a scheduled morning HIIT cardio (the weather is too hot, the weather is too cold, back is stiff …bull$hit-it is stiff every morning, ...I’m not an early morning person ).

    With Recreate, I crave HIIT as badly as ketogenics crave their weekend carb-refeeds izza::donut::burg:

    * Morning doses (~8:30AM)-always kick in faster, within 10min (increased -alertness, sweating, positive aggression, focus, an overwhelming rush of energy and happiness).

    The effects are VERY INTENSE AND LONG LASTING (especially with a double dose of Recreate, come 2PM and the heat is still on!)

    * Afternoon doses (~5PM)-EVEN WITH 2 Recreate the effect is not as intense as when the same dose is taken in the morning, also, takes ~20min to kick in
    Importantly, when dosing Recreate in 2/1 (morning/afternoon) scheme, appetite suppression is significant throughout the day as opposed to 1/2 (morning/afternoon) – not much at all

    CONCLUSION: RECREATE SEEMS TO WORK BEST ON EMPTY STOMACH
    To elaborate this further: afternoon dose is taken 3hrs after lunch and 1hr after a small protein shake (gastric emptying not 100% completed); morning dose is taken after >8hr overnight fast

  21. Glad to see you've got the dosing down!

    I also take in more protein than the norm: >500g/day on workout days! (Roughly 3x my bw!)

    And I have to know... What does kangaroo taste like? (Please don't say chicken! LOL!)

  22. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    Agree, protein is important however, thus far I've been following a keto-like diet with very little carbs. My protein intake was (and still is) around 2g per pound of muscle if not more (more=overkill). I also tended to go "stupid" on fats. While this type of dieting wasn't bad for my body type, I found myself stuck in a rut. Workout intensity went down and increasing carbs seemed to help in that respect...not without the price of accumulating too much "dirt" though.

    I started a carb-feeding cycle about a month ago and persisted despite getting frustrated over the acquired soft-look. For the last week, due to the addition of AP, I increased carbs even more. Workouts have been great so far and the soft-look is not getting any worse If anything, it is improving, I can actually notice some definition in my upper thighs for a change

    Also, there are no bloating or sleepiness-issues following a carb meal. This was not a case before a stack. Give me some porridge in the morning and an hour later I'm ready to join the "dead"
    Just querying WHY you would be wanting to do low carbs when you are a MTBer? I used to be a cyclist, and trust me, I know WHAT cycling and MTB takes out of you and how hard ad long you train; any carbs you ate would most definitely NOT be 'gained as fat', but be used for energy. And believe me, you are already at the BF% of an elite female athlete!

    And carbs don't make you look soft. Yes, for every gram of carbs you store 3g of water (intracellular, though), but it would make you appear HARDER, if anything.

    Anyways, I won't argue this point. Everyone's body works differently in some respects, and if you feel that this is your best way, then by all means, do it.

    Seems you need to decide whether you want to be a MTBer or a figure competitor, since the training required for each is at OPPOSITE ends of the extreme.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by shaddow View Post
    Glad to see you've got the dosing down!
    Yeah, I'll keep Recreate at 3 pills a day on weight training days (2/1; morning/arvo; 4 x week), but I will only take 2 pills on non-weight training days (1/1; morning/arvo). All that extra stimulus from 3 pills is unecessary if one's intention is to rest!

    I also take in more protein than the norm: >500g/day on workout days! (Roughly 3x my bw!)
    HAHA, awesome, that makes me feel less ; besides, judging from your avatar, it seems to be working QUITE well

    And I have to know... What does kangaroo taste like? (Please don't say chicken! LOL!)
    HELL NO, the taste is rather unique and from speaking with other people, it is either a hit or a miss, you'll either love it or you'll hate it. It has a very intense smell that some people dislike. I love it though (the taste, smell doesn't bother me much and once the meat is cooked, it is not noticeable), I have never gone back to beef since I've started eating 'roo.
    Jakellpet's log has some tips on how to cook it.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    Just querying WHY you would be wanting to do low carbs when you are a MTBer? I used to be a cyclist, and trust me, I know WHAT cycling and MTB takes out of you and how hard ad long you train; any carbs you ate would most definitely NOT be 'gained as fat', but be used for energy. And believe me, you are already at the BF% of an elite female athlete!

    And carbs don't make you look soft. Yes, for every gram of carbs you store 3g of water (intracellular, though), but it would make you appear HARDER, if anything.

    Anyways, I won't argue this point. Everyone's body works differently in some respects, and if you feel that this is your best way, then by all means, do it.
    You are absolutely right, and when I used to ride 4-5x/week (2-3hrs each session), my diet was something like 60% carbs, 20%fat and 20% protein (and I was never fat)

    However, since I started weight training, I cut down on mountainbiking, because building muscle is hard enough as it is. Now-days, I barely do 1 ride every 1-2 weeks and it is never over 2hrs. I do a couple of endurance events per year (this year I did two 8hr races and a 60km race), but I do no specific training for them (other than a MASSIVE carb refead )

    Interestingly, even without cycling-specific training, this year had been the best in terms of racing placements (think it is because weight-training unleashed toughness that I never thought I had in me, I see mountainbiking as a painless fun now, as opposed to weight training-painful fun ). I came 1st and 2nd in the 8hr events and 2nd in the 60km race. During my last 8hr event I scoffed down 30 dried bananas…and it was a winner


    Seems you need to decide whether you want to be a MTBer or a figure competitor, since the training required for each is at OPPOSITE ends of the extreme.
    Right again, I've been racing for 5 years, time to try something different, if anything I may use an 8hr event as a pre-contest cut, haha !

  25. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    Interestingly, even without cycling-specific training, this year had been the best in terms of racing placements (think it is because weight-training unleashed toughness that I never thought I had in me, I see mountainbiking as a painless fun now, as opposed to weight training-painful fun ). I came 1st and 2nd in the 8hr events and 2nd in the 60km race. During my last 8hr event I scoffed down 30 dried bananas…and it was a winner
    That will be because you probably have gained strength (and power) withOUT a lot of muscle mass WITH it (a great bonus for an endurance athlete. And YES, it CAN be done, regardless of the people who will tell you otherwise).


    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    Right again, I've been racing for 5 years, time to try something different, if anything I may use an 8hr event as a pre-contest cut, haha !
    Sounds great. I no longer race, and my passion is in this lifestyle, and I wouldn't go back
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