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    Planning Superdrol Cycle


    First off, I have been doing research for my first cycle for a month and a half now and I am not in the works of hopefully finishing up my research and starting the cycle.

    My stats:
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    190 lbs. (I know some people may say I can gain more size naturally, but I have been working out hard for 6 years and eating like a mad man and I have been stuck at this weight and strength level for years. I have read that other guys have only been training 2 years and are doing their first cycle. I think I have put more than enough work in the gym to deserve running a short 3-week cycle of SD.)

    6 yrs. training experience

    Currently I am keeping track of my eating habits for a good week or two to assess my diet and see where I need to be while on cycle as I know you need to eat a lot of calories, carbohydrates, protein and fats.

    I also have been building my inventory of support supplements and luckily I have a friend who works in a health food store so he hooked me up with a lot of them.

    I have already increased my water intake to prepare myself for its diuretic effects. I am having a little bit of trouble with the dosages on some of the support supplements.

    I plan on running these supplements two weeks before I start my superdrol cycle. I have written down what I think the dosages should be and I am leaving the ones that I dont know the dosages of blank and I hope I can get feedback on the correct dosages, thanks a lot everyone for all of the critiques and comments that are sure to follow.

    3-Week Superdrol Cycle

    Superdrol: 10mg/20mg/20mg

    Pre load two Weeks
    Milk Thistle: 2 CAPS PERFECT CYCLE
    Red Yeast Rice:1200-2400mg ED
    CoQ10:300mg ED
    Hawthorn Berries:
    EFAs:
    Flax Oil:
    Celery Seed:
    Multi Vitamin: 1 daily
    Policosinol:10-20mg ED
    NAC- 2 CAPS PERFECT CYCLE
    ZMA:

    Taking on cycle: same supplements.

    PCT:same support supplements.

    wk-1: Nolva 40mg/RXT 25mg/Reduce XT 75mg ACTivate half dose fen 2 caps
    wk2: Nolva 30mg/RXT 50mg/Reduce XT 50mg ACTivate full dose, fen 3 caps
    wk3: Nolva 20mg/RXT 50mg/Reduce XT 25mg ACTivate full dose, fen 4 caps
    wk4: Nolva 10mg/RXT 75mg/Reduce XT 25mg ACTivate half dose fen 5 caps

    Nolva-Take whenever, long half life.
    Rebound XT-with last meal, with at least 10g good fats.(before bed) or throughout day?
    Reduce XT-upon waking, then spread out doses.
    Fenugreek-upon waking, then spread out doses.

    The dosing for PCT is what I have gathered and any comments or corrections would be awesome.

    I have tried searching for my OTC pct products on the forum to find a reliable and cheap source for the OTC products. I was hoping I could get suggestions for web sites I can find them at, or maybe just one web site that carries them all. Please don't flame me I am getting excited about starting a cycle and 6 weeks of researching is wearing on me.

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    looks very planned out. Try nutra planet I have had good luck with them for most stuff. I started an SD cycle today and I will be trying to update it daily so if you want stop by and check it out. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...tml#post438307
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    Hello.

    The dosages I have seen for hawthorn vary from 1000mg-2000mg daily. I started on 2x500mg when on10mg and upped it to 2 x 1000mg when on 20mg SD.

    With celery seed, I take 1500mg 3 times a day.

    Great to see you pre-loading. Policosanol and hawthorn take at least 2 weeks to start having an effect.

    If you have joint problems, get the glucosamine happening too as soon as possible.

    I have a SD log if it helps.

    Superdrol log

    Good luck, you seem pretty well prepared.
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    Hey thanks for the use info mindgames and thanks for the source info dunimous!!
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    I think you might be over-analyzing.

    Unless your prone to gyno, which you wouldn't know unless you've had experience with other chemicals, you should primary be concerned about liver protection and getting your test levels back to normal after your done.

    Taking milk thistle and other liver promoting products will help, also taking rebound XT and a product like novedex XT for 4 weeks or so post cycle should do the trick.

    All of that other crap is over-kill. Nolvadex is fine but it's a "better safe than sorry" routine, I myself will see what happens.. if you get gyno you just order it..

    Anyway, I just don't want people to blow their money because some joesmoe from bodybuilding.com read you need hawthorne berry. It's preferable to take liver protection products and a test booster like novedex or oxo post cycle, that's it. This isn't rocket science, it's Superdrol.
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    Thanks for the constructive comments. I just want to be extra safe and since I got over half of my support supps for free I figured might as well take them to cover my you know what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVSkyHigh
    PCT:same support supplements.

    wk-1: Nolva 40mg/RXT 25mg/Reduce XT 75mg ACTivate half dose fen 2 caps
    wk2: Nolva 30mg/RXT 50mg/Reduce XT 50mg ACTivate full dose, fen 3 caps
    wk3: Nolva 20mg/RXT 50mg/Reduce XT 25mg ACTivate full dose, fen 4 caps
    wk4: Nolva 10mg/RXT 75mg/Reduce XT 25mg ACTivate half dose fen 5 caps
    There is no need for all that stuff for a SD PCT. Nolva is harsher on the liver than the sd is and your PCT doesn't need to be longer than your cycle. Run either the RXT or Nolva with fenugreek and you are fine in your PCT. The other is just a waste of money imo.
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    Hey I understand, I'm in your same situation. I start up a phera and Superdrol mix for 8 weeks in about a week.

    You can get your PCT products from cemproducts.com , your superdrol or phera or rebound xt stuff from nutraplanet.

    I'm just looking to make sure I don't damage my liver and I run things safely. I know guys have run superdrol and had adverse effects from hitting 30 mgs, especially for beginners, but like the bottle says, im planning on giving it a go to start at 30 mgs and gauging how I feel.


    I believe it's 30 mgs on Phera-phlex for 3 weeks, then 20/20 Phera and Superdrol for 2 weeks, then 30 mgs for Superdrol for 3 weeks.
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    I wanted to run my PCT for one week longer in order to prevent estrogen rebound. I feel like I have done a lot of research and it seems like the consensus (sp.) is to take a SERM, an AI, a cortisol blocker and the activate for shbg and fen to jump start my test production. I know it seems like a lot for a superdrol cycle but from the shut down that occurs I feel this is the best PCT for my cycle. More feedback would be great on all other stuff as well, i.e dosages on support supplements. Thanks everyone!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufjunk
    Hey I understand, I'm in your same situation. I start up a phera and Superdrol mix for 8 weeks in about a week.

    You can get your PCT products from cemproducts.com , your superdrol or phera or rebound xt stuff from nutraplanet.

    I'm just looking to make sure I don't damage my liver and I run things safely. I know guys have run superdrol and had adverse effects from hitting 30 mgs, especially for beginners, but like the bottle says, im planning on giving it a go to start at 30 mgs and gauging how I feel.


    I believe it's 30 mgs on Phera-phlex for 3 weeks, then 20/20 Phera and Superdrol for 2 weeks, then 30 mgs for Superdrol for 3 weeks.

    Also by the same person:
    Re: Planning Superdrol Cycle

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    I think you might be over-analyzing.

    Unless your prone to gyno, which you wouldn't know unless you've had experience with other chemicals, you should primary be concerned about liver protection and getting your test levels back to normal after your done.

    Taking milk thistle and other liver promoting products will help, also taking rebound XT and a product like novedex XT for 4 weeks or so post cycle should do the trick.

    All of that other crap is over-kill. Nolvadex is fine but it's a "better safe than sorry" routine, I myself will see what happens.. if you get gyno you just order it..

    Anyway, I just don't want people to blow their money because some joesmoe from bodybuilding.com read you need hawthorne berry. It's preferable to take liver protection products and a test booster like novedex or oxo post cycle, that's it. This isn't rocket science, it's Superdrol.
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    BEWARE: Most of this advice is irresponsible and contrary to MOST users experience. I don't even know where to begin in taking this apart.
    The dosage is reckless, the cycle length is crazy, the PCT advice plain sux, the attitude is immature , to say 'This isn't rocket science, it's Superdrol' is insane - it is an ORAL AAS.
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    To continue:

    Also, there is beginning to be significant evidence that AI's are actually THE CULPRIT in delayed gyno on SD, yet this joker advocates thowing a great SERM like nolva out the door and relying on an AI......

    As Dr.P on BB.Com illustrates.......

    The use of Aromatase-Inhibitors after a steroid-cycle is the key for delayed gyno. It has been hypothesized that AIs lead to a huge up-regulation either of estrogen-receptors or the aromatase-enzyme, or both. When testosterone is slowly recovering after a cycle and has not yet reached full capacity-levels, the explosively ramping up of estrogen-production (aromatse upped) will lead to massive estrogenic action at peripheral tissues (additionally by highly sensitized tissue-receptors). This leads to a SIGNIFICANT dysbalance of the testosteron-to-estrogen-ratio wich is the main signal for breast tissue to grow. At that moment gyno-development starts, and after some some weeks you can not only feel it but also see it!
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    COMMENT: This is my favoured theory so far. It is very logical in itself. However, we don't have experimental evidence for that, so it still remains a theory. What speaks dor this teory is that litterally ALL cases I found on BB.com as well as on AM-forum did their PCT with an AI alone or in combination with Nolva. Their might be one single exception to this (there is a guy called "Dmitry" or alike whose posts I didn't entirelly understood. He seems to have used only Nolva for PCT, but that is not clear). Even if there would be one case, there are 11 cases that stands against. So, possibly AIs are not the ENTIRE explanation but they SEEM to be the major RISK-FACTOR to develop delayed gyno after SD.
    However, the overall risk to get delayed gyno after sd is about 1%. From this 1% 0.9% can - possibly-be accounted for by AIs.

    6. (UPDATE) The combination of a STRONG shutdown of testosteron-production (induced by a STRONG androgenic substance) with a STRONG estrogenic hypersensitation (induced by an AI) seems to be crucial in order to push the ratio of testosteron-to-estrogen-(receptor-action) beyond a critical threshold for developing gyno.
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    COMMENT: Several forum members have pointed to the observation that apparently all delayed-gyno cases have been reported from users who had an AI during PCT + SD during ON cycle. To date no reports have appeard on delayd gyno after other designer steroids like Pheraplex (PP) or one of the E...Max derivates. This is in fact an intriguing point. It has been suggested that SD may have stronger androgenic side effects then PP /Emax. Moreover, there was a sidenote from BigCat that delayed gyno has also been occasionally observed in people who were on "traditional" steroids (e.g. testosteron), which also have STRONG androgenic action. Taken together, The synergistical interplay of these said factors can be summed up as follows:
    the stronger the estrogenic hyperactivity (induced by AI) AND the stronger the testosteron-hypoactivity is, the higher is the risk to develop delayed gyno. (It's again the RATIO)
    This is in fact almost the same as was proposed in theory Nr.5, with the exception that the amount of testosteron-shutdown is more appreciated now.

    So, my precluding thoughts are:
    If you plan to do a cycly with a steroid that has strong androgenic action and if you are ANXIOUS to get gyno or if you ever had (pubertal) gyno or if you have a highly sensitized estrogenic system by one or more previous steroid cycles, than you should at least THINK about using or not using AIs for your PCT because Ais seems to add to the risk to get gyno.


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    So I should abondon my Rebound Xt entirely...?
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    I am not enough of an authority to say but I've read enough to know that I am not running an AI personally after my SD cycle. I am going to continue all the on cycle supps and use nolva 40/30/20/, fenugreek 3/4/6, tribulus heaps.
    I hope it's not bad form to recommend articles on other forums ( hopefully we are all bigger than that) because I suggest you look at the delayed gyno research thread on BB.com as follows;

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...t=delayed+gyno
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindgames
    I am not enough of an authority to say but I've read enough to know that I am not running an AI personally after my SD cycle. I am going to continue all the on cycle supps and use nolva 40/30/20/, fenugreek 3/4/6, tribulus heaps.
    I hope it's not bad form to recommend articles on other forums ( hopefully we are all bigger than that) because I suggest you look at the delayed gyno research thread on BB.com as follows;

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...t=delayed+gyno
    I also suggest you read the thread about AI's in PCT and Dr. D's thoughts about it. I would appreciate you not calling me a joker, considering I have been running cycles of SD before you even knew it existed. I never once said to throw out the Nolva, just to make a choice between it or RXT, since both are not needed. The best PCT for SD is still DHEA + Fenugreek, but thats awhole nother can of worms I don't want to open.
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    Thanks mindgame, I have read that threat already and that is one of the big reasons I posted my PCT to see what others thought. I might end up running the Nolva, Reduce XT (or LX), ActivaTe and Fenugreek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindgames
    I am not enough of an authority to say but I've read enough to know that I am not running an AI personally after my SD cycle. I am going to continue all the on cycle supps and use nolva 40/30/20/, fenugreek 3/4/6, tribulus heaps.
    I hope it's not bad form to recommend articles on other forums ( hopefully we are all bigger than that) because I suggest you look at the delayed gyno research thread on BB.com as follows;

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...t=delayed+gyno

    Hey,

    I actually appreciate you chiming in. It only leads to a better discussion about Superdrol and more knowledge..

    As for it being oral AAS, you're correct.... but what does oral steroids indicate? It indicates that it was classified as a steroid by congress and it's taken orally.. you're presupposing that all of a sudden it means you need Hawthorne berry and you need to read every single log about Superdrol..

    Doing that is what I mean by over-analyzing. You're correct in that Superdrol, since it is an oral anabolic, is serious **** and should be taken seriously, but don't think you need fish tablets and hawthorne berry to run the cycle smoothly. Even an idiot can take 4 weeks worth at 20 mg and get good results without liver protection, sure its a dumb thing to do, but add in milk thistle and something like novedex XT and he's good to go.

    Also ..

    the prescribed plan about Phera-phlex and Superdrol combined for 8 weeks was from Phera-phlex's own recommendations (nutraplanet.com), I just didn't make up the dosages.

    One thing about supplements is you have to learn how you react to them yourself.. I might bloat from Superdrol and make minimal gains, you might not and you could blow up with muscularity. It's wise to keep everyone else's experiences in mind, ie 30 mgs might be a bit too much, but testing things out for yourself is what's best while being careful. I appreciate you being apprehensive though..

    I guess it's a good thing to be too apprehensive... but it seems like this forum is being used more-so to discuss "kiddy supplements" such as Superdrol and Phera rather pure chemical ****. All of us for some reason or another are taking these anabolic extreme products because of other objections or limited access to real gear, that "gear" is actually safer.
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    I have one quick question, for my PCT I listed 75 mg dose of Reduce Xt, but the caps come in 50 mg...any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    I also suggest you read the thread about AI's in PCT and Dr. D's thoughts about it. I would appreciate you not calling me a joker, considering I have been running cycles of SD before you even knew it existed. I never once said to throw out the Nolva, just to make a choice between it or RXT, since both are not needed. The best PCT for SD is still DHEA + Fenugreek, but thats awhole nother can of worms I don't want to open.

    Bohica, I WAS NOT referring to / talking to you. It was rfjunk I was talking about - look and see the quote above my writing - it is rfjunk's quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufjunk
    Hey,

    I actually appreciate you chiming in. It only leads to a better discussion about Superdrol and more knowledge..

    As for it being oral AAS, you're correct.... but what does oral steroids indicate? It indicates that it was classified as a steroid by congress and it's taken orally.. you're presupposing that all of a sudden it means you need Hawthorne berry and you need to read every single log about Superdrol..

    Doing that is what I mean by over-analyzing. You're correct in that Superdrol, since it is an oral anabolic, is serious **** and should be taken seriously, but don't think you need fish tablets and hawthorne berry to run the cycle smoothly. Even an idiot can take 4 weeks worth at 20 mg and get good results without liver protection, sure its a dumb thing to do, but add in milk thistle and something like novedex XT and he's good to go.

    Also ..

    the prescribed plan about Phera-phlex and Superdrol combined for 8 weeks was from Phera-phlex's own recommendations (nutraplanet.com), I just didn't make up the dosages.

    One thing about supplements is you have to learn how you react to them yourself.. I might bloat from Superdrol and make minimal gains, you might not and you could blow up with muscularity. It's wise to keep everyone else's experiences in mind, ie 30 mgs might be a bit too much, but testing things out for yourself is what's best while being careful. I appreciate you being apprehensive though..

    I guess it's a good thing to be too apprehensive... but it seems like this forum is being used more-so to discuss "kiddy supplements" such as Superdrol and Phera rather pure chemical ****. All of us for some reason or another are taking these anabolic extreme products because of other objections or limited access to real gear, that "gear" is actually safer.
    Hello.

    I know that nutra planet recommends this dosage, as do a lot of sellers - for obvious reasons. It is a reckless, irresponsible and cynical exercise in sales growth. Can you name ONE methylated oral that you can safely run for 8 weeks?? SD is no exceptioon. Of course you can but, is it a good idea?

    You call SD "serious ****' and then later in the same piece call it a 'kiddy supplement!!!"- which do you mean, you cant have it both ways and expect to be taken seriously.
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    Can somebody please answer my question and stop fighting lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVSkyHigh
    I have one quick question, for my PCT I listed 75 mg dose of Reduce Xt, but the caps come in 50 mg...any suggestions?
    Good question you could do 100mg monday 50 turesday 100 wednes then back to 50 for the 1st week till you pyramid down. Not an expert, but just a thought.
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    i just looked at my bottle of rbd xt and its 25mg, i checked after i posted cause i didnt think they made 50 mg caps. Check your bottle again. If not the suggestion i made should work unless you could split the amount of powder in side the cap equally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindgames
    Hello.

    I know that nutra planet recommends this dosage, as do a lot of sellers - for obvious reasons. It is a reckless, irresponsible and cynical exercise in sales growth. Can you name ONE methylated oral that you can safely run for 8 weeks?? SD is no exceptioon. Of course you can but, is it a good idea?

    You call SD "serious ****' and then later in the same piece call it a 'kiddy supplement!!!"- which do you mean, you cant have it both ways and expect to be taken seriously.
    Your number one problem is you get information from bodybuilding.com . If you had used the damn products yourself you would know how the dosages respond..

    I literally can't say anything but this..

    The guy that wrote up one of the informational articles on superdrol was less than 20 years old and had never taken creatine.

    If you want to get your information from a message board full of teenagers raving about a product thats being marketed underground which is liver toxic, then go ahead, for the others they can listen to me and save themselves from having to read a rant from an ignorant poster.

    You obviously don't like my tone because I disagree with you. Do you even know what freaking Superdrol is? It's a supplement with a fake scientific name that's really an oral steroid...

    Your main concern is going to be liver toxicity..

    Your freaking ranting a raving about what the latest 18 year old on BB.com said.

    Your also writing up what the best PCT recovery is, how the heck would you know what the best PCT is in order to get your test back to a normal level if its different for everyone? You wouldn't... your just posting what some jackass said instead of talking about your own experiences... Your test levels would come back down to normal from .. *guess what*..

    JACK ****

    TAKING NOTHING WOULD EVENTUALLY LEAD THEM BACK TO NORMAL

    For now on, someone please ban the guy up in front of me. I feel like attacking his avatar, the dude posts information from other message boards and comes here ranting and raving about Superdrol of all things....

    Also:

    Superdrol is kiddy **** in that it's not hardcore chemically. This isn't TEST or Deca, this is Superdrol.. a fake supplement that's liver toxic and won't give nearly the results of a proper newbie cycle. It's a bad route to go in anyway, you wouldn't even freaking know this, your instead posting about Hawthorne berry and what some kid on BB.com said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOHICA
    I also suggest you read the thread about AI's in PCT and Dr. D's thoughts about it. I would appreciate you not calling me a joker, considering I have been running cycles of SD before you even knew it existed. I never once said to throw out the Nolva, just to make a choice between it or RXT, since both are not needed. The best PCT for SD is still DHEA + Fenugreek, but thats awhole nother can of worms I don't want to open.
    I was reluctant to point out the post above because I didn't want to gang up on the guy debating with me, but this is just another example of how mindgames throws out claims that are eventually dispelled.

    His number one source of information is logs on bodybuilding.com...

    @BOHICA:

    If you want advice, run the rebound XT at the normal dosage and see what happens. You can also run another test booster like novedex or oxo... you should be fine.
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    taken from bulknutrition.com written by stategos i believe hes on anabolicminds and this is the info i was speaking of.

    Superdrol has come and gone, it was available for sale today, and it sold out in an hour, and that was due only to server overload. It is probable that there will be no more available. This is not an advertisement. I thought members here might like to know more about this substance, even if their are no practical implications for most.

    THE SUPERDROL WRITEUP

    CHEMISTRY

    Superdrol (methasteron) is definitely not a prohormone: it is a very active form of a designer supplement. Superdrol gets its name from the fact that it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron). Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position, like M1T or M-Dien. However you may wish to look at it, it is by this simple-looking transformation that Superdrol comes to occupy the sweet spot between the chemical natures of Anadrol and Masteron. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. Progesterone is not an issue: perhaps 0.1% can aromatize, in theory. In fact, this compound should not have any major metabolites at all. Maybe a few hydroxylated adrenal metabolites, but only traces. It is basically excreted unchanged as the conjugated glucuronate. The extra electron density at the 2 makes Superdrol 2-3x as anabolic (mg for mg) than Anadrol. To borrow from the language of genetics, Superdrol is a fine example of hybrid vigor: it has only the best attributes of each, and none of the worst. This is a supplement designed to have it all.

    Anadrol/oxymetholone 17ß-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one
    Superdrol/methasteron 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one
    Masteron/drostanolone 2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one
    Proviron/mesterolone 1a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one


    EFFECTS

    Anabolic effects & dosing requirements
    As fascinating as all this chemistry might be, you are probably much more interested in how well Superdrol is going to work. What you are going to gain, and how much it will take you to make these gains? The gains from Superdrol are very dry and lean, so numbers do not tell the whole story, but let us look at them nonetheless. According to the book values, Superdrol should be 20% as androgenic as the reference standard methyl-test, and 400-800% as anabolic, while M1T is 910-1600%, and Anadrol closer to 300%, while being twice as androgenic as Superdrol, mg for mg. So in theory, Superdrol should be half as anabolic as the same dosage of M1T, and 10-20% as androgenic. This would mean that it should take twice the dosage of Superdrol to match the anabolic effects of M1T, at which dosage its androgenic side-effects would be 20-40% of those from M1T. Fortunately in the case of Superdrol it exceeds in practice its theoretical promise. All testers – who were selected in part because of their experience with M1T – found that the muscle gains produced from Superdrol were no less than 2/3 of what a comparable dose of M1T would have given them. Moreover, they found very few side-effects to complain about.
    What this means for you is that you will need somewhere between 10 and 40mg of Superdrol per day. Period. There was, certainly, a desire to get this product to market before the ban, but because we were able to keep its chemistry secret, competition did not force it to be rushed, as was the case with M-Dien. Accordingly, proper testing was carried out, allowing us to determine real world dosing recommendations, not ballpark theoretical numbers. The following recommendations are honest and accurate: 10-15mg will be sufficient for beginners under 200lbs; 20-25mg for those advanced lifters under 200lbs, or for those above 200lbs but untrained; 30-35mg for men who have seriously trained themselves but are under 240lbs. For men who think they need to run a dose which falls between the use of whole capsules, one extra 10mg capsule can be taken before workouts, such that the weekly average is appropriate. as a rule of thumb, Superdrol will require 50% more of a dose than M1T to give you comparable gains in muscle. Any women who are entertaining the possibility of using Superdrol should reduce the weight to accord with their sex and their height, and then divide these dosages by a factor of no less than ten. Capsules will then have to be diluted in liquid to be measured accurately. For men, 40mg is a dose only for the very large or the true non-responders, by which I mean people who do not see results on less than 30mg of M1T. Very few people will need 40mg of Superdrol, and no one will need above 50mg. If used in a stack reduce the daily dose by 5-10mg, which would be very prudent given how well Superdrol will stack, and if not its expense, then your very limited supply.

    The testers whose dosing fit the above guidelines gained, on average, five pounds of muscle in under three weeks, while losing water and gaining no fat on hyper caloric bulking diets. The quality of the gains from Superdrol comes from its likeness to Masteron while the quantity comes from its similarity to Anadrol. Masteron, expensive and very rare, is almost a perfect cutting steroid, being highly androgenic and anti-estrogenic. If you must have a rough comparison to something already out there, one tester described the quality of gains as being akin to those from fina or a test/halo combo, but such comparisons are bound to be inexact. Gains are very dry, and it makes muscles noticeably more hard and dense. The explosive gains from Anadrol are accompanied by a great deal of water retention and fat. M1T, as you surely well know, produces explosive gains not unlike those of Anadrol, but this comes at a cost. More on this later. As to how difficult it is to retain the gains from Superdrol, you are invited to follow the testers’ post-cycle results. To date, the results are promising, with no loss of mass or vascularity. The gains from Superdrol will be impressive, and they will not take long to start, but they will be more gradual to be recognized than those which come from aromatizing steroids. Your numbers in the gym and on the tape measure will go up, not explosively, but they will go up surely and steadily. The diuretic effect of Superdrol will at first mask the gains as you lose water and gain muscle. When mass begins to increase, it should do so disproportionately compared to tape-measurements. So if you are only checking the scale, or if you are not lean enough to notice the loss of water, persist and be rewarded.


    Strength
    Anadrol is famous for explosive gains in strength. M1T is not. Superdrol shares with Anadrol a capacity for impressive, but consistent, gains in strength. Testers experienced dramatic and immediate strength gains, when consuming sufficient calories. To their surprise and our delight, every single one became stronger every single workout, and many personal bests were recorded, while volume increased. Being a DHT derivative, it is a fair question to ask whether the strength gains from Superdrol can be maintained, or whether they will not dissipate shortly after one terminates use of the drug. In response to this, consider that 1) the strength gains from pure androgens are not generally accompanied by proportional gains in mass, and 2) the gains in both strength and mass which result from dianabol/m1,4add are - besides being accompanied by bloating - diminished soon after one goes off, they don’t just disappear, but they are hard to keep. If the mass gains from Superdrol are solid rather than fleeting, then the strength which came with this increase in muscle mass should be much easier to maintain than those which can result from the use of Anadrol, Dianabol/M1,4ADD, or many of the pure androgens, which achieve a significant amount of their effect on strength through their psychotropic effects on focus and aggression.

    Athletic Performance
    Along with marked increases in strength, all testers observed undeniable increases in their endurance, whether in cardio or adding to the sets they could perform. Breathing and heart rates were not as high as expected. Given Superdrol’s chemical relation to Anadrol and Masteron, it was speculated that this could be due to an increase in red blood cell (RBC) count, which would allow the use of more oxygen. Masteron has also been used as an Anadrol alternative for aplastic anemia, so it should be a strong immune stimulator and RBC booster, as many 5-reduced compounds are. In Anadrol, the extra stamina which should accompany the known increase in RBC is largely counteracted by the estrogen related effects. Because these are absent with Superdrol, increased RBC count may seemed a probable explanation for the increase in endurance. But because the increased endurance occurred quickly, I am hesitant to assert that an increased RBC count is the reason. Shortly after this appears in print, there should be blood work available to confirm or deny this. No matter the explanation, Superdrol does increase endurance significantly.

    Fluid Retention
    Masteron and Anadrol are on the opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to fluid retention. In this regard, Superdrol lies close to Masteron, which – being unable either to convert to estrogen or mimic the effects of estrogen – has typically been used for reducing water retention while increasing muscle hardness and density. The rapid gains in mass caused by Anadrol involve not a little water retention: bloating is unavoidable, as with Dianabol/M1,4ADD. With Superdrol, there is no extra water retention. There is not even facial bloating. It forms no estrogen, so the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone (RAAS) system cannot be activated to cause any water retention. M1T has the unfortunate effect of causing water retention in the kidneys, which can be painful, and is definitely unhealthy.
    The pumps for which Anadrol is known are caused by an increase in the volume of blood, some of it RBC but much of it water. Blood pressure rises accordingly, and can lead to headaches, other forms of discomfort, or worse. The pumps from Superdrol could well be the result of the volumization of blood without the water gain, as noted above. It is in fact a mild diuretic. This helps contribute to the unmatched vascularity noticed in lean individuals. Because it dries you out, unless you are cutting for a reason, like a contest, you should increase your water intake accordingly. You can expect to drop at least several pounds of water in your first few days of use. From testers who monitored their blood pressure, there was no indication that it rose significantly, nor were there in others symptoms of high BP, for example, face turning beet red, or feeling nauseous after a few light sets. The pumps and increased vascularity from Superdrol are pleasant - “my biceps feel flexed when at rest” in the words of one tester. That is, until the dose is becomes too high, at which point Superdrol shares with Anadrol back pumps, cramps, or aches. These can inhibit workouts. At proper doses, these are fleeting, not unlike those from M1T, but not as severe. However, the tester who challenged the highest dose experienced such discomfort that he literally had to lay on the gym floor in between sets. It seems that Superdrol has a built in mechanism, harmless enough, to prevent its abuse.

    Fat
    Masteron is very effective in cutting cycles to reduce bodyfat; Anadrol does not mind putting on a few pounds ‘for the winter.’ Superdrol testers were all eating well, no one was cutting, and mass was going up faster than tape-measurements. It was wondered whether Superdrol exhibited fat-burning properties like tren. This can be discounted, and explained instead as a diuretic effect: testers size did not change dramatically because they lost water, while their muscles grew and became more dense. So in regard to fat, Superdrol falls right between Masteron and Anadrol: one could say that it neutral in terms of partitioning. When using Superdrol, fat will not magically melt away, but nor will it especially inhibit fat loss on a cut. It will not especially prime you for fat gains on a bulk, but if you do not watch your diet you can get fat.

    Psychological Effects
    The psychological effects of Anadrol and Masteron are noticeable, if not as pronounced as with some other DHT derivatives. It was not clear what, if any, psychological effects should have been expected from Superdrol, given how little its androgenic effects looked to be on paper. What the testers found, to begin with was that Superdrol felt “somatically clean,” meaning that there was zero sense of physical malaise or indisposition which is common to Anadrol and especially M1T. On the contrary, testers had a sense of physical well-being, a clean feeling of being ‘on’ – as distinct from the sure knowledge that one is growing, even if one doesn’t feel well, that one gets from M1T or Anadrol. This feeling was not as pronounced as with Dianabol. Psychologically, the following were attributed to the use of Superdrol: confidence, assertiveness, focus, increased libido, the need to do something, aggressiveness in the gym, a command mindset, and some irritability – especially upon ramping up to the next dosing level. One tester described the CNS stimulation he got from doing 30mg at once as being stronger than 50mg of M5, 32mg of M4OHN, or EC. Endurance and strength should be mentioned here as well, because while above I have offered physical explanations for them, some of this effect could well be psychological, in which case it would dissipate upon cessation of the use of Superdrol. There was some increase in appetite for some of the testers, a decrease for others; in either case this was not overwhelming.

    Recovery
    Recovery time on Superdrol was improved, slightly but noticeably - not on a par, however, with a similar dose of M1T, let alone Anadrol. In this light you should be reminded that the increases in strength which you will experience on Superdrol do not come with a proportional increase in the strength of connective tissue. So when using Superdrol, you should observe strict form in the gym or else you invites injury, which obviously defeats the purpose of any kind of performance enhancing agent.




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    ADVERSE EFFECTS

    Across the board, testers were astounded by the virtual absence of unwelcome side-effects from Superdrol use. One tester, already balding, mentioned an occasional itchy scalp. The only exception to the clean bill given to Superdrol was noted earlier, lower back pain at excessive doses. This lack of side-effects can be attributed to Superdrol’s very low androgenic capacity and its anti-estrogenic effects.

    Everything OK in there?
    So what’s the catch, the bad news? From the provisional results, there does not seem to be any bad news. You should be sure to check the results of the testers’ blood work which will appear in their logs. If I were to speculate as to what could be most worrying, it would be if Superdrol lowered HDL (good cholesterol) levels into the single digits - something which M1T is very good at doing. As to hepatotoxicity, Superdrol is estimated to be more toxic than M4OHN, while far less toxic than M1T. The blood work will tell, but there was absolutely no indication from any of the testers, or from the chemistry of Superdrol, that it should be highly toxic. The unbearable back pumps which accompany excessive use of Superdrol effectively limits its potential for abuse. There were no indications of high blood pressure: headaches, nosebleeds, or anything of the sort. Testers were not fatigued or lightheaded, or any of the other symptoms of low blood sugar levels, as accompanies the use of M1T and Anadrol. Superdrol could still have some effect on this, however, and it something to keep in mind, especially if one will simultaneously be using Glucophase XR. Sleep was not interrupted, nor was it reported to be noticeably improved. Nausea and diarrhea were absent.

    Unwelcome Growth
    As stated earlier, Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. Testers found no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy (BPH). You will not want to brave the back cramps to take enough of this to make you have to begin to be worried about androgenic sides. At 40mg, one tester noticed a tendency to bruise more easily. Zero estrogen conversion with this one, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound (Masteron) is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic. But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.

    Unwelcome Losses
    As has been stated, Superdrol is a mild androgen, and hair loss (androgenetic alopecia) should not be much of a concern if you are not very predisposed to it. Another concern, especially in light of the peoples’ experiences with M1T is the question of how hard Superdrol will shut you down. The testers ran Superdrol by itself, some of them at very high doses. Not one experienced anything to indicate anything like the severe degree of shutdown which almost immediately accompanies the use of M1T. That said, it is inconceivable that Superdrol can do what it does without affecting the HPTA axis, and PCT is always mandatory. Because Superdrol itself is mild in terms of shutdown, if you were to run it by itself, recovery with PCT should be quite easy. Most people, however, will elect to run Superdrol as part of a stack.


    NECESSARY SUPPLEMENTS?

    In the case of most oral steroids, legal or otherwise, there are a number of supplements which are not really optional. With M1T, everybody’s favorite, 4-AD is really not an option. Liver protection supplements are optional, or they are so only at your peril. And little can be done about perpetually low blood sugar levels, and single-digit HDL levels. Anti-e’s are not specifically necessary for most orals, used alone. With Superdrol, none of these supplements are necessary - and no letro, finasteride, or dex - because none of these side-effects are especially worrisome. The only potential exception is the HDL issue. All steroid use adversely affects HDL levels, but we need to be sure to know how safe Superdrol is in this regard. The results of the testers’ blood work will resolve this worry, or make people aware that this is an issue. In any case, the only thing which could be done about this would be to limit the length of one’s cycle. As mentioned above, supplements are necessary with every steroid for PCT, and Superdrol even though it is mild in terms of suppression is no exception. I mention this here in part to remind you of the possibility that research chemicals may become much more difficult to come across depending on what actions take place subsequent to the ban. With Superdrol, if anything is close to necessary, it would be general liver protection such as from K-R-ALA. Everything else is strictly optional, and can be used in a complementary stack Superdrol, not as something necessary to counter the deficiencies of the primary mass builder.

    A very minor issue which you should look for an answer is what the half-life of Superdrol is in the body. If it is short, this will call for dividing your daily dose rather than taking it all at once. If the half-life is longer, it would be an unnecessary inconvenience to do so.


    IMPLICATIONS AND STACKS

    Cycle Length
    Because of the toxicity of Anadrol and M1T, it is highly imprudent to use these for more than four weeks at a higher dose, and six weeks at any dose. For Superdrol, toxicity is not a great concern – little more than with M4OHN. So long as the results of the blood work come back favorably, i.e. if the HDL cholesterol is not reduced to single digit levels after several weeks usage, Superdrol can safely be used for longer cycles than 4 weeks. Otherwise, it should be used only for short cycles, or for short parts of longer cycles – obviously not in succession with M1T. I mention these issues because one of the things most of the testers mentioned is that they feel like they could run Superdrol perpetually: “I can run this forever” - “No, you can’t.” This would obviously be a bad idea.

    Stacking
    Unlike Masteron, Superdrol obviously works very well on its own. Anadrol is very powerful, but the problems with its use are evident. If you happen to get a lot of Superdrol, you can surely use it to great effect on its own, but given its limited availability, to get the most out of your supply, you will probably want to use it as part of a stack. Superdrol should stack well with pretty much everything, apart from those things which it begs to be used in the place of: such as M1T, M14ADD, DBol, Anadrol or Halo. There should be no need to stack this with another methyl. The only things even to consider this would be mild substances like M4OHN or M5AA, for example. As a rule, if you can find a way not to stack methyls, make the right choice. A low transdermal dose of 3-alpha is a very powerful pure androgen which could take the place of M5AA or MDHT. For bulking cycles, a stack with anything which aromatizes will work very well: Test, EQ/1,4ADione, Nandrolone. A significant amount of mass gains come from the presence of estrogen. Estrogen also stimulates white blood cell production, aiding your immune system, having too little estrogen will predispose you to becoming sick. M1T flu anyone? For more of a lean bulk more limited aromatizers would work very well: 4AD/ester, 19Nordiol/ester, 1,4ADiol, Primo. For a major cut, a non-aromatizing choice is called for, such as very dry mass-builder and/or a pure-androgen to produce sick separation and vascularity: 1-Test/ester or 5aa/ester, 3-alpha, Masteron, or Tren. There are so many combinations, it is really up to you to look at what is available, decide what your goals are, and choose the most appropriate items. You simply need to choose a complementary combination with your budget and your goals in mind.
    Listed below are some examples, suggested in discussion with the testers. You should be able to discern their purpose. And there will surely be a good deal of discussion about potential stacks and their merits on the boards.

    Superdrol + 1-Test + 4-AD + pure androgen + M4OHN
    Superdrol + Test or Sledge Test
    Superdrol + 5AD + 3alpha
    Superdrol + 4-AD + MDHT + tren
    Superdrol + 4-AD + tren
    Superdrol + Test or 4-AD + Deca or Nordiol
    Superdrol + 1-Test or Fina + Test
    Superdrol + 1,4ADD/EQ or 19Nor/Deca or M4OHN

    COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS

    “There’s no way it can replace M1T.” So says the conventional wisdom about every new legal anabolic since the introduction of this famous mass builder. New substances have come to the market, and it is true that none yet has replaced M1T. What is also true, outside of the most outlandish circus-vendor salesmanship, is that nothing which has come to market has made claims to be a serious mass-builder, a true challenger to M1T. M4OHN and M-dien have received a lot of bad press, not because they are useless, but because people were expecting them to be useful in a way they were not. The pure androgens M5AA, and recently MDHT, were never intended as mass builders, but for strength, aggression, hardening, and maybe some modest dry gains. 1-AD, being related to M1T was impressive in its own right, but its cost put this posh wonder beyond comparison with its inexpensive brethren. M1,4ADD could plausibly be called a bulker, but like its metabolite Dianabol, the gains from M1T by itself were more impressive and seemed qualitatively superior, even when M1,4ADD was used at an appropriately high dose.

    Superdrol is up against M1T. By now consumers of legal anabolics have accepted M1T as the bar by which all competitors are judged. But in fact the bar had not been raised so high as they think. The bar was so very low before M1T (overlooking the efficacy of S1+), and people had been numbed by insipid hype of the time. M1T astounded the masses in large part because lived up to its hype - hell, it exceeded its hype. In this environment, it made M1T seem a precious white rhinoceros. We have come to expect huge gains from a couple of $10 bottles. To see what the trouble with the praise of M1T is, however, just go back and dig up your receipts, in your head or in fact, and look at people’s journals, check out the blood work. How did people feel while they were on it, what were the gains like, what was the total cost of ownership, and has anyone really looked forward to their next cycle of M1T? The economy is misleading, both in terms of money and in terms of your health.
    When M1T was first introduced, the price was three times what it is now - even at the time it seemed extortive. Superdrol is appearing for the first time, and is the result of half a year’s worth of research and legwork to bring this compound from theory into practice. In a risky political environment, it had to be custom synthesized, with the cost of bringing it to market being very close to what M1T costs you. Yet the gains from Superdrol are comparable (check the logs, and if you use it send your own feedback). But whereas M1T produced size without comparable gains in strength, Superdrol gives both. To get the same kind of effects using M1T one would have to add enough 4-AD to counter suppression, and a pure androgen to get the gains in strength. Superdrol accomplishes this without the estrogen, and without the degree of androgenic effects. The actual gains are similar, with way fewer health issues.

    Superdrol’s testers were chosen by members of AnabolicMinds for their overall trustworthiness and ability to maintain a disciplined and logged training schedule. Each of the testers lived up to this. They ran Superdrol by itself, and they were not changing anything on the fly. Their results speak for themselves, and are very favorable all across the board. Superdrol is what M1T was hoped to have been. Superdrol sees this challenge, calling M1T’s bluff, and raises: “All in.” Designer Supplements is staking its reputation on the effectiveness of Superdrol – and this is no empty boast, because this company plans to be providing you with the best legal supplements for long after the ban.

    If Anadrol-50 are with any justice dubbed A-bombs, then Superdrol capsules should come to be recognized as Smart-bombs. They are tactical anabolic which has no less incredible results, minus the collateral damage.

    HELP A BROTHER OUT – THE REFERENCE POINT THREADS.

    This write-up was compiled solely for the sake of informing the future user of exactly what to expect from Superdrol. Be sure to keep watching the testers logs as more information comes forth. For those who will be using Superdrol, please share your experience with everyone else using the Superdrol Reference Point Thread, in the Designer Supplements forum at AnabolicMinds.

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    You shouldn't neccessarily have to read any of that.. just taking the recommended dosage, reading the instructors, doing the proper PCT would be fine.. you wouldn't have to look off the label..

    The number one mistake guys like mindgames make is reading logs from teenagers on message boards. Doing your own cycles while seeing how you react to each is the only way your going to get bigger in this game. No knock on his avatar but you can tell he over-analyzes....
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    Hey guys, thank you for all of the advice. This is what I plan on running for support supps. during my 3 week cycle of Superdrol 10mg/20mg/20mg. Two weeks before, through cycle, and thorughout PCT:

    Milk Thistle: 2 CAPS PERFECT CYCLE ED
    Red Yeast Rice: 2 caps ED
    CoQ10: 60mg ED
    Hawthorn Berries: 1000mg ED (2x500mg @10mg SD), (2x1000mg @20mg SD)
    EFAs: (Ultra Omega 3.6.9) 1 cap ED
    Flax Oil: 1 cap ED
    Celery Seed: 3x1500mg ED
    Multi Vitamin: 1 daily
    Policosinol: 10mg ED
    NAC- 2 CAPS PERFECT CYCLE ED

    PCT:
    wk-1: Nolva 40mg/Lean XT 75mg/ ACTivate half dose/fen 2 caps
    wk2: Nolva 30mg/Lean XT 50mg/ ACTivate full dose, /fen 3 caps
    wk3: Nolva 20mg/Lean XT 25mg /ACTivate full dose, /fen 4 caps
    wk4: Nolva 10mg/LeanXT 25mg/ ACTivate half dose /fen 5 caps

    Nolva-Take whenever, long half life. (wash it down quickly!! with O.J. Or beverage of your choice.
    Fenugreek-upon waking, then spread out doses.
    Lean Xtreme-2 caps of LXT at wakeup, 1 cap four hours later and then one before bed.

    Any more suggestions would be great. No more bashing each other please.
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    Ok - Didn't mean to ruffle feathers and am quite stunned at the anger from rfjunk and am writing to clarify.

    1. I'm not a newbie, having had extensive orals experience.

    2. BB.Com a board 'full of teenagers.." - is derogatory to teens and their capacity to glean valid knowledge and experience. It is also a gross generalisation and incorrect. I'm sure the demographic compares to any bodybuilding board.

    3. Whats the deal with paying out my avatar?? I'm sincerely not sure what has pissed you off there. Can you explain as if I've offended for a legit reason I'll happily apologise. I will always admit if I'm wrong, mate.

    4. You sayI'm 'freaking ranting and raving' and use various other personal insults that have no place in this discussion - yes, it is a discussion and nothing more or less so keep your shirt on and the insults to a minimum please.

    5. Calling on me to be banned- WTF??? What for - providing info from souces I happily admit are not all my own personal experience -I cite my sources and say when it's personal experience.

    6. Some sources say use an AI, some a serm, some both - why bring the flames out because I highlight an opinion???

    7. You are coming from ego my friend - just chill and keep it relevent. Your bagging of BB.com and me pesonally does nothing to advance your position or to help the thread starter.


    8. I have no pretensions of being an expert and TOTALLY agree with you that I over analyse - I take that as a compliment.
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    I agree with mindgames with the over-analyzing part except I would rather be safe than sorry. If that means spending an extra week on the computer researching and another $100 for support supplements and having a great first cycle with minimal side effects that would be awesome with no regrets at all.
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    Thanks PVS.

    The most frustrating thing about forums is that there are as many opinions as there are people on the threads and somehow we have to weigh all this personal experience up with available OBJECTIVE ( non-seller based) research and science. The more I read sometimes the more confused I get!

    That's why I adopt better safe than sorry.

    Also I just realised what RFjunks prob with my avatar may be - becauseit is MINDgames = overanalysis. Well actually when I was registering the John Lennon song was on the radio so I chose it. No consiracy motive there RF!

    Also, on the claim of BB.Com = teenage rants. I'll make it clear that ANY teen who attempts to talk about AAS in any way on BB.Com is flamed and promptly banned - it is even in the 'stickys' in the AAS section. So unless the writers are lying about age, the SD comments cannot possibly be from teens.

    Good luck PSV - If I have helped, I'm happy. If I have confused or disrupted your thread I very humbly apologise.
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    Not at all.. you were much help I appreciate it thank you! I am hoping that more people like yourself can contribute some knowledge before I start my cycle. I have an appoint on thursday (today is sunday) to have my hormone levels, thyroid function, lipids, renal and liver panel as well. This will be my pre-cycle blood work and then I will have blood work done post-cycle as well. I am going to create a log as well because althugh there are already a ton out there, I feel that each one was missing something here or there, so I am going to try and fill in those gaps that I felt were missing when I was researching.
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    Please PM me with the link to your log when you start. I'll be watching with interest and wish you great gains and a hassle free cycle.
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    I definately will!! Thanks for all of everyones help.
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    If I were you, I would try it for at least 4 weeks and see what happens, also, your really being precautious, your PCT is WAY overdone

    Your PCT could include oxo and you'd be fine, you’re doing fenugreek, Hawthorne berry, etc, all for 3 weeks worth of Superdrol. I just disagree is all, seems like a waste of money. It's your call of course. I just don't see the information that warrants cutting it to 3 weeks and never going past 20 mg, nor do I see the information where fenugreek and Hawthorne berry are necessary. From what I've gathered, my reputable source said Rebound and Novedex are both solid products that will work well for 4 weeks of post cycle therapy, this is after an 8 week bridge between Superdrol and Phera, both of which top out at 30 mg... There are rumors that this will rot your liver and is dangerous... I can't find that information and I trust my source.

    I'll be running my cycle in a week and it'll last for 8 weeks, I hope to clear up all of this in the mean time. I could always do your route and overspend while doing 1 cycle and waiting a few months for my test to return to normal, I just don't want to do that. Why pay for stuff you don't need when a great recommended cycle is already there and it lasts 8 weeks?

    Also I want to come to a consensus, my goal isn't to argue.. but we have to remember why we're taking these things.. it's to grow and get as big as possible while being safe. Where in the world did we read that nolva is necessary and to never go over 20 mg of superdrol? More importantly, why are we reading logs and spending this much time thinking about it when the only thing that will matter is how our body responds. We won't know how it will respond until we try it ourselves, that's why the recommended dosage ranges from 10-40mg, it depends on the individual.

    I want to be safe and not be stupid, but I just disagree with your route is all. I just don't see why you’re only doing 3 weeks, you can really drop all of that PCT stuff, I believe mindgames would agree, I don't even know where he gets half his information. A simple test booster afterwards along with a liver promoting product would work, you’re taking stuff for gyno when you’re doing 3 weeks of superdrol...


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    Milk Thistle: 2 CAPS PERFECT CYCLE ED
    Red Yeast Rice: 2 caps ED
    CoQ10: 60mg ED
    Hawthorn Berries: 1000mg ED (2x500mg @10mg SD), (2x1000mg @20mg SD)
    EFAs: (Ultra Omega 3.6.9) 1 cap ED
    Flax Oil: 1 cap ED
    Celery Seed: 3x1500mg ED
    Multi Vitamin: 1 daily
    Policosinol: 10mg ED
    NAC- 2 CAPS PERFECT CYCLE ED

    All of that is great.. just as long as you realize it's not necessary and you don’t' knock guys who go with Milk thistle and rebound XT, they're basically saving the money and not overspending.

    Most of this thread has been devoted to debunking bodybuilding.com rumors; we've been talking on different levels to a certain extent because my bridge ranges from Phera to superdrol where the dosages differ. 30 mg of Phera is different than 30 mg of Superdrol, and just because mindgames reacts harshly to 30 mg of superdrol doesn't mean he will with 30 mg of Phera, nor does it mean YOU will if you hit 30 mg of Superdrol...

    Again, I just think this is where logs and boards ruin everything. I think the only way to get big and to advance in bodybuilding is to work hard and see how your body responds. The most important thing in this whole cycle will be your nutrition and training style. That will determine how much you grow, not how much Hawthorne berry you’re taking. You could probably grow bigger naturally from hiring a nutritionist for 8 weeks rather than spending that amount on a superdrol cycle for 3 weeks.

    Seriously, again, not trying to flame, but in the retrospect of things, supplements are like training styles. It's ok to read how everyone else reacts and to prejudge based on that, but you won't know how you'll react until you hit the gym or you try the supplements yourself. More importantly, it’s when you discover what works for you that you start to take your training to another level, not when you read other logs... all of this attention is being focused on the wrong ****. Buy the supps, read about them, see how it works, monitor your health, go from there, don't do what some people on this thread are doing…(read every log possible and do what every numbskull recommends PCT on another forum). We've already spent a page wasted on teenagers on bodybuilding.com. Mindgames, I promise you, at least 40% of the people on there who are taking superdrol are less than 20. I don't know this, I'm just guessing. I’m presupposing it’s 40% because the majority of log creaters are young, have some sort of objection to taking the real deal, and superdrol is something they can get their hands one. They’re also too naïve to realize that superdrol is liver toxic and does require some PCT, not fenugreek and every berry that promotes liver health.)

    You heard it here first
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    Sound Advice From EXPERTS - yes they are from BB.Com; I don't know who offended you over there but it is the equal at least of this very fine forum:

    1. Is 6oxo and Rebound XT good enough by itself for a superdrol PCT, most people say it is enough
    No! By no means is 6oxo or Rebound standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. You need a SERM! Period!

    Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an superdrolcycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.


    2. ....This has led to many people thinking that 3 week cycles of SD are the best option in terms of gains and sides and this also is beneficial due to the harsh nature of SD on lipid values . A good cycle is 20mg ed for 3 weeks, with a 2-3 week PCT. The major issue with SD usage as discussed is the 'trashing' of lipid levels. Thus I would never recommend a cycle of SD without the user taking the precaution of supplementing with cholesterol regulating products.

    Unfortunately RFjunk NEVER mentions the most critical side - effect of SD use - the cholesterol \ lipid value effect.

    Drop a thread on ANY forum and tell em you are doing an 8 week cycle of SD and just wait for the reaction - they can't all be teens, and if they are they are pretty cautious ones.......
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    Hey I appreciate your response...

    It's 4 weeks of Superdrol and 4 weeks of Phera, I don't know if it makes much of a difference. If you scroll up and read the FAQ I posted about Superdrol, its supposdly stackable with other compounds..

    For anabolic extreme to promote this 8 week cycle itself is suicide, it's basically their own instructions... I can't see how some guy on bodybuilding.com can give you more crediting advice verse every other resource, that being the manufacturer and people with knowledge about the products.

    I think what this comes down to is your reluctance to listen to anyone but that main bodybuilding.com source. Also, it seems like more than 50% of the articles state nolvadex is NOT neccessary, even most of the individuals logs in ANABOLIC EXTREME state that.

    Look, I can't dispell every other thing you believe.. I can only point out the facts.. most people believe nolva isn't neccessary, the manufacturer believes this, the manufacturer promotes their own reliable Rebound XT product post cycle, Rebound XT is promoted by the users of Superdrol on message boards. Even your one-stop information guide, which I posted up above, freaking scroll up, says its not neccessary. For you to copy and paste some guys' bodybuilding.com question and answer sheet is ludicrus, your acting like its fact when you ignore yourself that everything else points to it being wrong.

    I just hope I help someone out there whose reluctant to listen to mindgames, hopefully the information I've posted to let other knowledgable readers know that this guy is a small jackass.

    No offense, I don't want to attack you but your really starting to irk me by continually saying the same things, then me dispelling them, then you repeat it.. all from the worst sources of sources.. freaking bodybuilding.com

    If you have a question.. Call the freaking manufacturer or ask other members, dont come to this message board and "pretend" to know what the heck your talking about. It's a slap to the face to read your posts.. you basically attempt to dispell my **** which is credible, then you post quotes from a bodybuilding.com cyber internet board post..

    Now look, believe me, I'm a safe and weary individual so I double and triple check the things I say to you to avoid debate points, I've even double-checked my PCT plan with some one I trust more than 99.9% of anyone.. he stated this..

    "Rebound XT is a good product as is Novadex XT. Along with Milk Thistle you should be good. I would start PCT after the last day of your cycle and do it for 4 weeks."

    You don't have to take my word for it, obviously I'm not going to reveal the source.. but it's basically common knowledge verse your favorite forum and a poster on bodybuilding.com . You can scroll up and read the review on superdrol and listen to me, or listen to mindgames and hope the 18 year old that posted that information is correct...

    and believe me, I Read that same faq, and you want to know why I think it's messed up..

    The kid.. right after he got done typing up his superdrol right up.. stated he hadn't been bodybuilding for very long and he's yet to take creatine. If this is your main freaking source, some kid who hasn't taken creatine, which is what freaking bodybuilding.com users usually are, most of them aren't 30.. they're 18 year olds from the US.. .. then your almost as bad as them.
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    I apologize because this debate has been confusing... I've been discussing Phera and Superdrol and attacking mindgames on the side which I apologize for.

    I found another valuable resource...

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-superdrol.asp

    There it does recommend cycling superdrol for 3 weeks due to its harsh lipid values with 2-3 weeks of PCT. It doesn't state Nolvadex as being neccessary if another ATD is taken.

    It also doesn't state anything about Phera and it's cycling with Superdrol.. I still trust my souce but I will supplement with red yeast rice and CQ10 and Milk Thistle.
  

  
 

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