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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakJay View Post
    ok last quesiton..i bought the dmz in a deal with xtreme pct involved already.. if the dmz is bunk(possibly) should i buy a new pct or leave it
    Xtreme PcT is weak .., use Wicked PCT or GV1 from AnabolicAndrogenicReasearch.co m

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    you, without a doubt, need a SERM for pct with that cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post
    you, without a doubt, need a SERM for pct with that cycle.
    That's what I thought , so I bought clomid but the dude from AAR says that all I need is there PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yodambomb View Post
    That's what I thought , so I bought clomid but the dude from AAR says that all I need is there PCT
    well he's wrong. probably because they don't sell serms, but anybody worth listening to would have recommended their otc pct product be used along side a serm protocol.
    that or he's just an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakJay View Post
    http://www.nutri-verse.com/dmz-15-by-lgi/ would this be good? or should i get Olympus??
    If you're running our tr3st, why not go for our dymethazi9e?

    Nothing wrong with LGI, but just curious....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post

    well he's wrong. probably because they don't sell serms, but anybody worth listening to would have recommended their otc pct product be used along side a serm protocol.
    that or he's just an idiot.
    Yup
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    Quote Originally Posted by edje007 View Post
    If you're running our tr3st, why not go for our dymethazi9e? Nothing wrong with LGI, but just curious....
    Price difference.. Already started might as well just 25 and complete this cycle rather then 50 and have to extend it longer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post
    you, without a doubt, need a SERM for pct with that cycle.
    I have clomid set up for 50/50/25/25 is that good? With Xtreme pct on the side
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    Clomid 50x4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakJay View Post
    I have clomid set up for 50/50/25/25 is that good? With Xtreme pct on the side
    This will be plenty, I don't like those OTC AI"s but that's up to you.

    Except formeron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post
    This will be plenty, I don't like those OTC AI"s but that's up to you. Except formeron.
    I'm running Formeron 2nd week through pct or stop when cycle is over?
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    I'd use the formeron in pct over that other AI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post
    I'd use the formeron in pct over that other AI.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppers View Post
    I'd use the formeron in pct over that other AI.
    my pct is trt
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    Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    my pct is trt
    Ha Ha I knew that for you!
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    here's my dmz i got in the mail today. here's a recap, i bought it frm a place called muscle depot frm eBay. i got 2 bottles for 39.99 which kinda made me think they were knockoff. the bottle is small compared to other ph's I've purchased i put next to water bottle so u can get an idea also snapped a pic of the caps, they are white with a white powder inside. what do you think?
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    I would never trust ebay.... coulda spent an extra $20 for better product and a piece of mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    I would never trust ebay.... coulda spent an extra $20 for better product and a piece of mind
    ya i know piece of mind is priceless
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    I buy MOST of my stuff from ebay. I've NEVER been beat. just look at the store's profile and feedback. some of them ebay stores have been in business for years and have almost perfect feedback. I really don't see where the bad rep comes from. I'm not an ebay fanboy, they charge 10% to sell on there which is too much, but all of the stores I've dealt with on there were good.
    and that looks like the lgi dmz to me. you could just try a couple of them. if its real, you should be able to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post
    I buy MOST of my stuff from ebay. I've NEVER been beat. just look at the store's profile and feedback. some of them ebay stores have been in business for years and have almost perfect feedback. I really don't see where the bad rep comes from. I'm not an ebay fanboy, they charge 10% to sell on there which is too much, but all of the stores I've dealt with on there were good.
    and that looks like the lgi dmz to me. you could just try a couple of them. if its real, you should be able to tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post
    I buy MOST of my stuff from ebay. I've NEVER been beat. just look at the store's profile and feedback. some of them ebay stores have been in business for years and have almost perfect feedback. I really don't see where the bad rep comes from. I'm not an ebay fanboy, they charge 10% to sell on there which is too much, but all of the stores I've dealt with on there were good. and that looks like the lgi dmz to me. you could just try a couple of them. if its real, you should be able to tell.
    ya the guy i bought frm had zero bad reviews and like 2500 good/excellent reviews
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    I would never trust ebay.... coulda spent an extra $20 for better product and a piece of mind
    Not even $20.. Couldve gotten 2 bottles of dmz for like $45 from nutriverse
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    Ok....
    look, I don't know what your f*ckin problem is, you called me a liar the other day, now another smart*ssed remark. well, you asked for it *sshole.
    i'll tell you who I don't trust. people that try and rip off newbs with dhea products. this is from the website of the company you are repping for.

    "M1D Andro is a combination of the most popular wet prohormone of all times and a powerful steroidal anti-estrogen.

    This is the best mass building supplement on the market"

    what a joke. its DHEA and erase. the rest of the products are equally a scam.
    I'd blow my f*ckin brains out before I'd sink to the level of ripping off newbs who don't know any better just to make a buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro Bodine View Post
    look, I don't know what your f*ckin problem is, you called me a liar the other day, now another smart*ssed remark. well, you asked for it *sshole. i'll tell you who I don't trust. people that try and rip off newbs with dhea products. this is from the website of the company you are repping for. "M1D Andro is a combination of the most popular wet prohormone of all times and a powerful steroidal anti-estrogen. This is the best mass building supplement on the market" what a joke. its DHEA and erase. the rest of the products are equally a scam. I'd blow my f*ckin brains out before I'd sink to the level of ripping off newbs who don't know any better just to make a buck.
    I respect you for this Jethro
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    Nothing wrong with dhea isomer pro hormones except that they're expensive.
    Anyone who thinks they aren't effective, doesn't know what they are saying.

    You gotta pay to play.

    800mg e/d of 4-dhea plus 600mg of 1-dhea would be a great 6-8 week cycle.
    Expensive, yes. Cheaper options, yes.
    Ineffective,no.
    Only newbs who don't know any better would say otherwise.
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    Does anyone know how long I can add to this cycle once the LGI arrives? I haven't gained a pound from this Xtreme bullsh*t
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    How long have you been on?
    What exactly are you running now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreakJay View Post
    Does anyone know how long I can add to this cycle once the LGI arrives? I haven't gained a pound from this Xtreme bullsh*t
    Probably not the Dmz that's the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Nothing wrong with dhea isomer pro hormones except that they're expensive.
    Anyone who thinks they aren't effective, doesn't know what they are saying.

    You gotta pay to play.

    800mg e/d of 4-dhea plus 600mg of 1-dhea would be a great 6-8 week cycle.
    Expensive, yes. Cheaper options, yes.
    Ineffective,no.
    Only newbs who don't know any better would say otherwise.
    Iv ran 4-dhea and much higher doses than you stated and its really not that effective. Extremely expensive? Yes.
    Compared to other options on the market it is basically worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post

    Iv ran 4-dhea and much higher doses than you stated and its really not that effective. Extremely expensive? Yes.
    Compared to other options on the market it is basically worthless.
    I'm sorry you don't know how to properly use pro hormones and your run of 4dhea at what ever supposed dosage you ran didn't work out for you.
    It isn't worthless, but I wouldn't expect some one with such lacking knowledge on androgenic/anabolic to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    You're an idiot
    Lol just because I feel a compound isn't very effective? At high doses? Ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    I'm sorry you don't know how to properly use pro hormones and your run of 4dhea at what ever supposed dosage you ran didn't work out for you.
    It isn't worthless, but I wouldn't expect some one with such lacking knowledge on androgenic/anabolic to understand.

    I have been using ds/Ph/AAS for quite some time and have always run my cycles properly. Getting great results with little to no side effects as I know how to handle them. I run my compounds at correct dosages and I understand how they work in my body. This is how to properly use prohormones.
    Comon man, lets act like big boys.
    Not everyone is going to like a compound, get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reps4jesus View Post

    I have been using ds/Ph/AAS for quite some time and have always run my cycles properly. Getting great results with little to no side effects as I know how to handle them. I run my compounds at correct dosages and I understand how they work in my body. This is how to properly use prohormones.
    Comon man, lets act like big boys.
    Not everyone is going to like a compound, get over it.
    You are stating dhea isomer pro hormones are worthless, when that is not the truth.
    If you feel it's worthless for you, great. Sorry it doesn't work well for you, but don't make such broad statements for everyone. Imo, it makes you look like a parrot.

    Ive used test e, prop, 4androstenediol, 4-dhea, an esterfied 4dhea.
    I think they are all beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post

    You are stating dhea isomer pro hormones are worthless, when that is not the truth.
    If you feel it's worthless for you, great. Sorry it doesn't work well for you, but don't make such broad statements for everyone. Imo, it makes you look like a parrot.

    Ive used test e, prop, 4androstenediol, 4-dhea, an esterfied 4dhea.
    I think they are all beneficial.
    I should have worded it differently.
    I feel there are better options on the market, and i personally don't think it's right to market dhea pro hormones as the "best" muscle building "supplement". It's misleading.
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    [QUOTE="reps4jesus;4508482"] I should have worded it differently. I feel there are better options on the market, and i personally don't think it's right to market dhea pro hormones as the "best" muscle building "supplement". It's misleading.[/QUOTE

    Probably more natural than the 17a prohormones (methyl)
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    im running this at 32mg daily.. i think im gona bump it up to 48 for a couple days if i feel nothing or see nothing im gonna hop onto lgi and run that for another 3 weeks since this is pretty much underdosed or just complete bunk.. im runnig tr3st on side at 75mg and formeron and cel cycle assist
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    So since you gained no results, you're saying the trest and formestane are also bunk?

    Cause both formestane ( pro hormone to 4 hydroxy testosterone ) and trest ( methyl nor testosterone) are enough to see noticeable gains quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    So since you gained no results, you're saying the trest and formestane are also bunk?

    Cause both formestane ( pro hormone to 4 hydroxy testosterone ) and trest ( methyl nor testosterone) are enough to see noticeable gains quickly.
    Was thinking the exact same thing.

    And I can tell everyone that our tr3st is legit, just came off it....noticed it almost directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    So since you gained no results, you're saying the trest and formestane are also bunk? Cause both formestane ( pro hormone to 4 hydroxy testosterone ) and trest ( methyl nor testosterone) are enough to see noticeable gains quickly.
    No I'm definitely seeing gains in strength which I believe to be from the tr3st I don't think that's bunk and I ordered the Formeron from nutri so I don't believe that's bunk either... Just the DMZ unfortunately lol
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    I see strength gains from using a new pre workout.
    Just saying.

    I'm not implying trest or formestane is bunk. But might be something else.

    I guess we'll see when your lgi dzine gets here, as I've used it, and it's good.
  

  
 

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