It is very good you heard what the other guys said. Epi is a great compound, but it WILL cause serious trouble unless you do things right in terms of PCT.
I got off Havoc epistane a month ago. I went from 172 to 185 in a month. This was with a bad diet. I did 20mg for the first week then did 30mg the rest. I tried 40mg in the last week. 30mg was the cutoff. At 40mg my piss starting turning brown. Havoc was awesome!!! My bench went from 205 to 275 max at 4 weeks!!!! No lie.
My only problem was with my PCT. You got to get either clomid or an OTC test booster along with your serm, etc. I had what I thought was a test booster for the first 3 weeks and lost almost all my weight I gained.
Also, did you use a SERM? Not adding a natural test booster into your PCT will not produce the total loss of gains in terms of weight that you suffered. You either:
a) did not use a SERM
b) your SERM was bunk.
Either way, hope you have better luck next time..
Stacked Havoc with Androhardv3 ... AMAZING results.... nearly took on about 16lb for my first ever cycle.
The havoc screwed me up, lowered my immune system so bad...I was 21 and managed to get Shingles on my last week on cycle... LOL.. kept about 9LB by the time I managed to get back in the gym...
wont touch it again... personal preference.... I know it wont do that to everyone
Isnt seeing gains? isnt gonna be seeing his nads soon. lol... GL
This is the problem with forums these days. You took the time to look up my posts before "insulting" but yet didnt take the time to help me out with your experience.. Thanks man!
Im stopping my clone not because im not seeing my gains I WANT, it is becuase I am not seeing anything at all.
To those that are wonderings about my nuts so bad! My boys are doing just fine!
I ran Havoc. Loved it so much I bought another bottle for later because it is discontinued now. Thought I would give some input on it.
Cool. Yeah, I use clomid along with Nolva to do just that, but idk if it helps that much haha.
PH noob checking in.
Can someone tell me why an AI is needed while already taking a SERM PCT?
Dont they both have similar purposes?
Here read this
Why not zoidberg?
Now i know the difference, but since I'm a little simple, I still don't know why both would be required during PCT.
Is it because SERMs just block the receptor yet AI's actually inhibit the conversion into estrogen (thereby reducing estrogen before it even reaches the receptor)?
Wouldn't just a SERM on its own be sufficient?
"Why take a AI and serm in pct" and you will have a lot to read lol
Why not zoidberg?
Ok guys I had to hold off on my havoc because of an injury. Why take it if I can't go 100% right? I got my nolva and I'm ready to go. I am running conquer the gauntlet (a 4 mile obstacle course) with some friends at the end of the month so I will be running to get geared up for it. What do you guys think about cardio on havoc. I know it raises bp but what do you guys think?