I got off Havoc epistane a month ago. I went from 172 to 185 in a month. This was with a bad diet. I did 20mg for the first week then did 30mg the rest. I tried 40mg in the last week. 30mg was the cutoff. At 40mg my piss starting turning brown. Havoc was awesome!!! My bench went from 205 to 275 max at 4 weeks!!!! No lie.
My only problem was with my PCT. You got to get either clomid or an OTC test booster along with your serm, etc. I had what I thought was a test booster for the first 3 weeks and lost almost all my weight I gained.