Opinions on CEL P-Plex and Iron Labs Epi Xtreme stacking

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ejschmidt
    Jbry keeps on posting about phera/sd. Is he for serious? I mean, I understand the complications of two methylated compounds (even though epi-phera would be similar, though less sides with epi) but that could be some serious muscle.

    Has anybody run Phera/Sd? Logs of it?
    Jbry has if I recall.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    So you're just running the phera, no epi?
    Quote Originally Posted by ejschmidt View Post
    Bummer. I was hoping to hear an EPI/Phera log. Could be a future cycle of mine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Yeah I wanted to see that log too. Well maybe he'll throw in SD now.
    EPI is in the mail, maybe today, so EPI/Phera log it is. I also have Methyl D coming instead of the Sdrol.
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  3. epi/phera... doesnt make sense... read up more on the compounds... pretty sure jbry would agree it is not a good combo.
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger
    epi/phera... doesnt make sense... read up more on the compounds... pretty sure jbry would agree it is not a good combo.
    Yeah I agree and jbry already said that cuz some of epi does metabolize into phera already.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Vick

    EPI is in the mail, maybe today, so EPI/Phera log it is. I also have Methyl D coming instead of the Sdrol.
    What is Methyl D?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    What is Methyl D?
    methyldienolone, on the the site it's MDIEN. I thought you wanted to see the Phera/EPI log?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Vick

    methyldienolone, on the the site it's MDIEN. I thought you wanted to see the Phera/EPI log?
    I do I'm just saying that I'd like Phera/SD even more. What r u running with Mdien?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    I do I'm just saying that I'd like Phera/SD even more. What r u running with Mdien?
    I'm thinking about running the Phera before the gym and MDIEN in the morning, then bridge the EPI. The M1T was out or I would have been doing that with the Phera.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Vick

    I'm thinking about running the Phera before the gym and MDIEN in the morning, then bridge the EPI. The M1T was out or I would have been doing that with the Phera.
    So I assume this is a bulk right?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    So I assume this is a bulk right?
    Yeah but I try to balance the water retention with a dry compound, which is why I am using the Helios too.

  11. i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

    def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

    my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

    4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

    test base, bulkers, hardners.

  12. thats gonna be sick
    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

    def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

    my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

    4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

    test base, bulkers, hardners.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Vick

    Yeah but I try to balance the water retention with a dry compound, which is why I am using the Helios too.
    I see, damn stacking those 2 will b really harsh though, i'd take Jbry advice I can't comment on the toxicity of mdien, he knows a lot about it.

  14. methyl dieneolone is methyl trienolone's little brother.

    mdiene isn't as toxic as methyl tren (thank goodness) but it def isn't recomended to stack with another (methylated) compound.

    hell, im worried about running it AFTER a low dose of m1t.

  15. Personally I think the toxicity is way overrated because of the bad press. You get these dumb drunks taking it to look good at the bar and yeah you're gonna have liver problems. Back in the 90s I was taking cheque drops or halotestin with Anadrol before the gym and that was on 1g of test/wk. I've never gone over 6 weeks on 17aas though and would switch to Proviron and Primo tabs to dry out. This is my first round with stack PHs so if my eyes turn yellow I'll be the first to admit it and if they don't and my labs say my liver isnt shutting down then I'll log that too. Right now I'm basing my stacks on this info:

    Class I = binds to androgen receptor
    Class II = does not

    These pro-hormone classifications are based on their steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE post so below. If that goes unnoticed, PM me.

    Class I

    Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol) based phs - Pheraplex & clones
    Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based - Epistane & Clones (like Havoc & so on so forth)
    Dienolone based - (again similar to tren) - Mdien
    Progestin based - (similar to trenbolone) - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
    Boldenone based - 1,4AD & Bold
    DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) based phs - M5AA

    Class II
    Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based - M1,4ADD, M1T, 1-T, Methyl XT
    Masteron (Dromostanolone) based - Superdrol & Clones
    Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron e) based - Halodrol & Clones
    Winstrol (stanozolol) based - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
    Furazabol (miotolan) based - Furazadrol etc
    Progesterone based - Revolt, Propadrol, Max LMG
    Clostebol based - Chlorodrol, Oxyguno
    Testosterone - 4-AD

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

    def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

    my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

    4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

    test base, bulkers, hardners.
    How would say they compare to oral AAS? I hear Phera is like Dbol and MHN is like Var, but what about M1T,EPI,and MDIEN?

  17. phera is phera, dbol is dbol, var is var, epi is epi, they are all oral androgenic/anabolic steroids, and are all different.

    i dont think people such as the op should be using steroids, as they dont know anything about what they are using or doing.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    i wouldn't stack any methyl compounds with methyl dienolone, maybe a low dose of epi, like 20mg e/d for the 4 weeks of mdiene, then 2 weeks of epi solo at 40mg.

    def wouldn't stack sd and mdiene together. I have some of each, and wont do it.

    my next cycle is going to be 3 weeks of m1t (15mg), then 3 weeks of mdiene(14mg), followed up with 4 weeks of stanodrol (900mg).

    4-andro-diol & bold 200 ran during the first 6 weeks at 600mg each.

    test base, bulkers, hardners.
    Thats a pretty serious cycle, is bold 200 a ph or are talking about eq?
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    phera is phera, dbol is dbol, var is var, epi is epi, they are all oral androgenic/anabolic steroids, and are all different.

    i dont think people such as the op should be using steroids, as they dont know anything about what they are using or doing.
    True statement. Someone came to me yesterday, asked if they should use trenazone, he didn't know jack sh*t about it, I was actually offended at his level of stupidity, and yes he called it a prohormone. *facepalm*

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    phera is phera, dbol is dbol, var is var, epi is epi, they are all oral androgenic/anabolic steroids, and are all different.

    i dont think people such as the op should be using steroids, as they dont know anything about what they are using or doing.
    Dude you don't know the first thing about me and you just revealed how ignorant you are, just say you don't know because you've never probably done a real cycle and don't know how to compare the EFFECTIVENESS. Everyone responds differently, some people are even nonresponders. I came here because the forum I moderate is strictly on gear, but I see I'm not going to learn anything here. On a positive note, if anyone needs help from real vets on gear see me here because I'm not logging in here again.

    musclediscussion.com/members/vick.html

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Vick View Post
    Dude you don't know the first thing about me and you just revealed how ignorant you are, just say you don't know because you've never probably done a real cycle and don't know how to compare the EFFECTIVENESS. Everyone responds differently, some people are even nonresponders. I came here because the forum I moderate is strictly on gear, but I see I'm not going to learn anything here. On a positive note, if anyone needs help from real vets on gear see me here because I'm not logging in here again.

    musclediscussion.com/members/vick.html
    bwahahahaa.... bye!
    Log of EPIC by FRL - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/202576-should-epic-frl.html

  22. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger

    bwahahahaa.... bye!
    I think what pissed Jbry off is that everything Vick mentioned is still oral AAS, old school guys usually get the classifications wrong or just have lack of knowledge because years ago there wasn't the amount of information we have available, and they don't bother to research further.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    I think what pissed Jbry off is that everything Vick mentioned is still oral AAS, old school guys usually get the classifications wrong or just have lack of knowledge because years ago there wasn't the amount of information we have available, and they don't bother to research further.
    that and him pm'ing me asking me for a source for m1t.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b

    that and him pm'ing me asking me for a source for m1t.
    Yeah just a few minutes and he could've found that easily.

  25. troll screw him man
    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    that and him pm'ing me asking me for a source for m1t.
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