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    SARMS Osta or S4??


    Which one??

    SS or ***chem for the vendor??

    Which is more proven?? Been doing lots of research lately

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    Ostarine. It's been shown to be less suppressive and has none of the ocular issues.
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    from all the stuff ive read no one has really ran into vison issues with s4. I am also going to run DAA (5 on, 2off) and 1 cap of erase too. So im not too worried about the estrogen sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    from all the stuff ive read no one has really ran into vison issues with s4. I am also going to run DAA (5 on, 2off) and 1 cap of erase too. So im not too worried about the estrogen sides.
    You must mean no vision sides on Osta? S4 has many reports of vision sides - though not horrendous (yet some still troubling).
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    No. S4. I've read all the logs on AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Ostarine. It's been shown to be less suppressive and has none of the ocular issues.
    For your first cycle, I would go with OSTA. *********** is the absolute only supplier I would go through. I was interested in SARMS for a very long time, but always do a LOT of reading and absorbing before deciding to take the plunge, and I can't imagine HOW anyone could be disappointed with ***********. I actually like how they only sell SARMS, so they can solely concentrate on quality and shipping speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    For your first cycle, I would go with OSTA. *********** is the absolute only supplier I would go through. I was interested in SARMS for a very long time, but always do a LOT of reading and absorbing before deciding to take the plunge, and I can't imagine HOW anyone could be disappointed with ***********. I actually like how they only sell SARMS, so they can solely concentrate on quality and shipping speed.


    that is the plan but I got a PM on **** from nate with another supplier so just wanted to throw it out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    that is the plan but I got a PM on **** from nate with another supplier so just wanted to throw it out there.
    Oh, I think I got that PM too. I just don't have any experience with them, so can't say either way.
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    Yeah. They are about 70bux cheaper so I was leaning towards them. But if ss is the way to go than that's it
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    The S4 tends to have vision sides (reported) at higher doses. It seems to be very individualistic based on what I've read in logs, but the rule of thumb appears to be higher = more vision sides.

    The mk-2866 seems to have none of those sides and appears to have better votes of confidence in general for itself. It also appears to not need be dosed nearly as high to get decent benefits.
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    Ive read every SARM thread on this site. Everyone says s4 has vision sides but everyones log ive read reported no issues like that. It also seems s4 is a little better if dosed higher than Osta in terms of gains, etc.

    But doses with this stuff isnt like anything else. Everyone needs to find a personal "sweet spot" perhaps or really play around with dosing. higher dose doesnt mean more gains with a SARM.
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    8wks is the longest Ive seen people run a SARM, what do you guys think??

    Would any of you guys run one 10wks or 12??
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    8wks is the longest Ive seen people run a SARM, what do you guys think??

    Would any of you guys run one 10wks or 12??
    Based on what's been seen, I wouldn't.

    I'd probably go 6; maybe 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    No. S4. I've read all the logs on AM
    Hmm .. not sure if the logs I read were on AM or someplace else - but there are many reports of vision sides with S4 ... especially at the tail end of a cycle and using higher dosages. One log I read the guy said when he drove into a tunnel - there were a few seconds of blindness followed by the same thing when he exited them.

    Very many complaints of problems with night vision.

    EDIT: I will add though - that I'm still thinking about trying S4 - since the common thread in the vision sides seems to be with high dosages.
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    S4 gave me no vision sides I was actually looking forward to seeing everything with a yellow tint lol.
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    See I guess it goes both ways. Decisions decisions decisions ....
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    Month 1: S4=50mg/ED (slight vision sides)
    Month 2: S4=25mg/ED and Ostarine 12.5mg/ED (No vision sides)
    Month 3: Ostarine=12.5mg/ED by itself.

    After a 3 month cut I got to 10% bf at 175lbs (5'-7"). I believe it helped me keep 10lbs.
    As it was a cut, it was about preserving muscle which is harder to quantify as to what the actual gains are, but that was my best guess. Afterwards I ran an extensive blood test. Everything in the blood test appeared to be normal and I absolutely loved the results.

    IMO for bulk PH/AAS is a better deal, but Sarms are better served during PCT or a cut as a break from the PH/AAS.
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    so Outstanding, your recommendation for *********** has nothing to do with the fact that you're a **** rep, and your hero russianstar happens to be affiliated with both **** and Sarmsseach?

    just a weird coincidence i guess.
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    Yeah I won't be dosing s4.high for sure
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    i still am wanting to hear somthing about results because the stuff ishigh as hell.andd for a couple months worth and all so lots of people are stacking this with other stuff your talking hundreds of dollars for a couple months worth hundreds.what kind of results are people geting with this standalone.what does it compare to result wise.
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    Yeah I won't be dosing s4.high for sure
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    Yeah I won't be dosing s4.high for sure
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    For the money, IMO for bulk PH/AAS is a better deal, but Sarms are better served during PCT or a cut as a break from the PH/AAS. Trying to hang on to that muscle between bulk cycles is where a Sarm is useful. There have been some theories that sarms may loss effectiveness after a period of time, I have no idea if it is true, but if it proves to be true, we may also have to add on a 3rd step to refresh from the Sarm. I am considering alternating Ostarine and Clen/Albut between bulking cycles. At least until we know more...
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    yea i think i will try it after my pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    so Outstanding, your recommendation for *********** has nothing to do with the fact that you're a **** rep, and your hero russianstar happens to be affiliated with both **** and Sarmsseach?

    just a weird coincidence i guess.
    I own ***********, and my other screen names are Russian Star, and many people also know me by my other name, Nathan Chase.

    Also, every other product I've ever repped or suggested over the years on this and countless other forums, I also own and receive direct checks in the mail from. Oh, I also own the Recompadrol Formula, the rights to LCLT manufacturing, Science Defined Nutrition, VPX, and Gaspari Nutrition's Size-On Pre Contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grega60438 View Post
    For the money, IMO for bulk PH/AAS is a better deal, but Sarms are better served during PCT or a cut as a break from the PH/AAS. Trying to hang on to that muscle between bulk cycles is where a Sarm is useful. There have been some theories that sarms may loss effectiveness after a period of time, I have no idea if it is true, but if it proves to be true, we may also have to add on a 3rd step to refresh from the Sarm. I am considering alternating Ostarine and Clen/Albut between bulking cycles. At least until we know more...
    The great thing about SARMS (and there is a new one in the pipeline now I just read about) isn't that they replace AAS usage or their practical utility in recreation/cosmetic purposes to gain strength and live a more rewarding and fulfilling life - I believe that they create a flawless bridge, finally, that can be used to bring the usual divide between cycles much close to achieving constant anabolism and muscle retention.

    With SARMS, AAS, and research peptides and chemicals like GHRP-2 and IGF-1-LR3 (which I have yet to try) it would be my contention that for the first time ever a truly dedicated and obsessively focused athlete is now able to attain and MAINTAIN his ideal physique without totally putting his bill of health on the chopping block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I own ***********, and my other screen names are Russian Star, and many people also know me by my other name, Nathan Chase.

    Also, every other product I've ever repped or suggested over the years on this and countless other forums, I also own and receive direct checks in the mail from. Oh, I also own the Recompadrol Formula, the rights to LCLT manufacturing, Science Defined Nutrition, VPX, and Gaspari Nutrition's Size-On Pre Contest.

    Wow, it felt so good to get that off my chest. I'm a new man!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I own ***********, and my other screen names are Russian Star, and many people also know me by my other name, Nathan Chase.

    Also, every other product I've ever repped or suggested over the years on this and countless other forums, I also own and receive direct checks in the mail from. Oh, I also own the Recompadrol Formula, the rights to LCLT manufacturing, Science Defined Nutrition, VPX, and Gaspari Nutrition's Size-On Pre Contest.

    Wow, it felt so good to get that off my chest. I'm a new man!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    For reals?
    I think it was far past time to just be open and honest with everyone... I can't burden the weight of the lies anymore (OH THE LIES)! In fact, while I'm at it, I also own the patent and licensing for all the EcdyMorph distribution in North America.

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    HOLD ON...

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    I am confused. The conspiracy you are referring to was just made up out of thin air by YOU. I never implied that you were russianstar or nate, or whomever.

    All i mentioned is that russianstar ( a known affiliate of mrsupps/**** ) claims he isnt affiliated with SS, but issues a copyrighted document written by him that says property of SS. Then we have the **** squad pimping SS.


    You tried to make it sound CRAZY, but the facts remain. Why would someone so obviously biased be a reputable source for product recommendations? If anything, now I just think you're a liar, with a terrible sense of humor - instead of just another biased rep.
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    Wow this thread blew up
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    I prefer the s4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    I am confused. The conspiracy you are referring to was just made up out of thin air by YOU. I never implied that you were russianstar or nate, or whomever.

    All i mentioned is that russianstar ( a known affiliate of mrsupps/**** ) claims he isnt affiliated with SS, but issues a copyrighted document written by him that says property of SS. Then we have the **** squad pimping SS.


    You tried to make it sound CRAZY, but the facts remain. Why would someone so obviously biased be a reputable source for product recommendations? If anything, now I just think you're a liar, with a terrible sense of humor - instead of just another biased rep.
    lol

    Outstanding who is a **** rep has actually used SS so he recommends it.

    Unrealmachine (taking time off the forums) who is another **** rep does not use SS but another place AND logged it the other places stuff. OMGZ.

    Unreal told me about the place he uses and I (a **** rep) will probably use them when I want OSTA and they are not even SS. OMGZ.

    Please get your facts straight before making crazy conspiracy theories as to why someone is recommending SS. Some of our reps use SS like the many other members of this board who buy research chems and some of us reps do not use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    lol

    Outstanding who is a **** rep has actually used SS so he recommends it.

    Unrealmachine (taking time off the forums) who is another **** rep does not use SS but another place AND logged it the other places stuff. OMGZ.

    Unreal told me about the place he uses and I (a **** rep) will probably use them when I want OSTA and they are not even SS. OMGZ.

    Please get your facts straight before making crazy conspiracy theories as to why someone is recommending SS. Some of our reps use SS like the many other members of this board who buy research chems and some of us reps do not use them.

    Ya I agree. I've never used SS and have NEVER pimped them.

    I use a company that's alot cheaper and great quality. Unreal can vouch for them. BTW they have a killer pre-sale on S4
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    lol

    Outstanding who is a **** rep has actually used SS so he recommends it.

    Unrealmachine (taking time off the forums) who is another **** rep does not use SS but another place AND logged it the other places stuff. OMGZ.

    Unreal told me about the place he uses and I (a **** rep) will probably use them when I want OSTA and they are not even SS. OMGZ.

    Please get your facts straight before making crazy conspiracy theories as to why someone is recommending SS. Some of our reps use SS like the many other members of this board who buy research chems and some of us reps do not use them.

    what facts do i need to get straight?



    what conspiracy theory did i mention/insinuate?

    russianstar did write the article on Sarms
    the article did say SS before he edited it
    outstanding is a **** rep

    sooo wtf are you talking about weirdo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Ya I agree. I've never used SS and have NEVER pimped them.

    I use a company that's alot cheaper and great quality. Unreal can vouch for them. BTW they have a killer pre-sale on S4
    I agree with Beast. I have some Ostarine that I bought from the same place Unreal did and it was the best deal at the time.

    So where is this pimping of SS at?

    Sounds like someone is jumping to conclusions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Ya I agree. I've never used SS and have NEVER pimped them.
    Apparently you are affiliated with them

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
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    So where is this pimping of SS at?
    Outstanding recommending SS because he has used them
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