Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Well, just 10mg ED (morning). I was pondering 4on, 1off. Maybe try this for a few weeks, then reassess. I was also thinking of a test booster to take along w/Epi.

I will have to look into resveratrol and see if that might be appropriate for me. I did order some DIM Complex with BroccoSinolate - 525 mg per serving -- 120 Capsules ($14.99). I will dose this 4caps ED to start, then reassess after a week or so.

What is this? (from the manufacturer)
"How Does NSI® DIM Complex with BroccoSinolate™ work?
DIM Complex is a unique formula containing diindolylmethane (DIM), a plant compound known as an indole, found in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, kale and brussel sprouts. DIM may play a part in supporting a healthy balance of estrogen and testosterone levels in both women and men. DIM promotes healthy estrogen metabolism diminishing unmetabolized estrogen, known as estradiol. Elevated estradiol levels may lead to moodiness and breast pain in women and decreased sex drive in men.

DIM also helps reduce active estrogen from the male body, promoting more free-circulating testosterone in the bloodstream. Higher levels of testosterone and lower levels of estrogen are associated with lean body mass, efficient fat-burning metabolism and low abdominal obesity.

NSI® DIM Complex contains BroccoSinolate™, a unique broccoli extract standardized to 4% glucosinolates. Glucosinolates are a class of phytochemicals metabolized in the body to form isothiocyanates.

NSI® DIM Complex with BroccoSinolate™ is better because it:

Supports enhanced physical condition when accompanied by a regular exercise program.
Provides benefits of broccoli without having to consume excess amounts of the vegetable."

Ingredients:

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryl succinate) 9 I.U 30%

Cruciferous vegetable blend (BroccoSinolate™ broccoli extract (standardized to 4% glucosinolates), spinach concentrate and cabbage leaf powder) 500 mg *

DIM (diindolylmethane) 25 mg *

looks like good stuff, i may have to look for that, the vitamin e is a good addition too.

waiting on nutra to get more mdrol.....

Damn interesting thread!

Originally Posted by bassgod272

Yea, I want to gain more mass instead of slow and steady, lol. I'm getting anxious. I just miss the feeling of being on test and all the positives as opposed to using PH's like SD.

Actually, SD is a VERY powerful (and destructive) steroid and not a PH. It is methyldrostanolone. I did a cycle of sus250 years ago and SD is the only OTC thing I have ever used that can match the gains I had using sus250. For me SD outperformed cypionate, ethanate and of course deca. I treat SD like taking anadrol 50, though I never took any A50.

Just wanted to point that out. Be careful and good luck with your 5mg run!!

Originally Posted by StanChampion

Actually, SD is a VERY powerful (and destructive) steroid and not a PH. It is methyldrostanolone. I did a cycle of sus250 years ago and SD is the only OTC thing I have ever used that can match the gains I had using sus250. For me SD outperformed cypionate, ethanate and of course deca. I treat SD like taking anadrol 50, though I never took any A50.

Just wanted to point that out. Be careful and good luck with your 5mg run!!

I know that SD is Methylated Masteron just to make that clear first. I was talking about ph's in general. Sorry for the confusion. For me test-e trumps SD any day. I gained 20lbs and lost 2 after PCT was done and over with in 12 weeks. I'd rather do that and feel awesome the entire time as opposed to take SD for 3 weeks, gain 10lbs, trash my lipids and my liver, and feel like death by the 3rd week lol. Test FTW!

Originally Posted by bassgod272

I know that SD is Methylated Masteron just to make that clear first. I was talking about ph's in general. Sorry for the confusion. For me test-e trumps SD any day. I gained 20lbs and lost 2 after PCT was done and over with in 12 weeks. I'd rather do that and feel awesome the entire time as opposed to take SD for 3 weeks, gain 10lbs, trash my lipids and my liver, and feel like death by the 3rd week lol. Test FTW!

So would this low does protocol be less effective if the workout is spaced beyond the hormones half-life in the evening? Like if I were to take 5mg of SD in the morning when test levels are "peaked" as described, but my workout would be 10-11 hours later, would this protocol not be as effective? Obviously my understanding on much of this is lacking.

Originally Posted by Burner

So would this low does protocol be less effective if the workout is spaced beyond the hormones half-life in the evening? Like if I were to take 5mg of SD in the morning when test levels are "peaked" as described, but my workout would be 10-11 hours later, would this protocol not be as effective? Obviously my understanding on much of this is lacking.

Good question.... I'm in the same boat.

those are some really good results for such a low dosage

Would 10 mg of Superdrol per day be suppressive? If so, do you think it'd completely shut you down?
Can this be countered with a mild test booster while doing the 10 mg Superdrol?

Thanks

10mg superdrol is too much imo for this, 10mg superdrol is a very effective dose for most people.

i think the benefiets would still be there if you workout in the evening. You will still get the compound in there to aid recovery at the least.

I'm interested to hear more feedback on Dymethazine. Any thoughts if the long half-life (14-16 hours) would make this compound more or less desirable for this protocol? Specifically shut down.

Originally Posted by Burner

So would this low does protocol be less effective if the workout is spaced beyond the hormones half-life in the evening? Like if I were to take 5mg of SD in the morning when test levels are "peaked" as described, but my workout would be 10-11 hours later, would this protocol not be as effective? Obviously my understanding on much of this is lacking.

I mixed in my 5mg SD at 8:00 AM with my morning shake. I work out at 9:00 pm!!!! So ever after waiting 12 hours to workout, I saw NO negatives.

When I did SD before, I used 20 mg and split AM and PM, but on this 5mg, you really only have one shot and taking it 12 hours before my workout did not see to lessen the effects for me.

Originally Posted by StanChampion

I mixed in my 5mg SD at 8:00 AM with my morning shake. I work out at 9:00 pm!!!! So ever after waiting 12 hours to workout, I saw NO negatives.

When I did SD before, I used 20 mg and split AM and PM, but on this 5mg, you really only have one shot and taking it 12 hours before my workout did not see to lessen the effects for me.

epi's half life is aprox 8hrs correct?

as thinking about buying caps and splitting each mdrol...but would it effect absorbtion if i just took 5mg and parachuted it?

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

as thinking about buying caps and splitting each mdrol...but would it effect absorbtion if i just took 5mg and parachuted it?

what? if you are taking it orally then absorbtion is the same as swallowing it, its still oral dude.

o..maybe i should explain. im a former drugge..parachuting is putting whatever you want into a piece of toilet paper and swallowing

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

o..maybe i should explain. im a former drugge..parachuting is putting whatever you want into a piece of toilet paper and swallowing

yeah, i know.
therefore you are still taking it orally. same thing.

anyone thought about doing this with 5mg. of pheraplex if you had the original AX which comes in 10mg caps and not 15. i think 10mgs would be overkill for 8 weeks. 5mg's would be safe of phera i'm assuming. anyone have experience with this one ran low dose?

Read an article on another forum about a guy talking about low dose Test-E at 25mg to upto 50mg per week with hardly any shutdown. Thought it made for an interesting read. It was about tapering down from a cycle slowly and HPTA recovery.

Using low doses should hopefully cut the risk of gyno considerably IMHO.

i forgot to mention during my week off i did experience estrogen rebound so keep that in mind.

Originally Posted by Burner

I'm interested to hear more feedback on Dymethazine. Any thoughts if the long half-life (14-16 hours) would make this compound more or less desirable for this protocol? Specifically shut down.

curious about this as well

supposedly Dymethazine is a safer version of superdrol.not as harsh on the liver and hpta.an iforce rep told me that 15mg of dymethazine is somewhat close to the effects of 10mg of superdrol.

Originally Posted by pistonpump

i forgot to mention during my week off i did experience estrogen rebound so keep that in mind.

thats because you were doing epi right?

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

as thinking about buying caps and splitting each mdrol...but would it effect absorbtion if i just took 5mg and parachuted it?

wow. i hope your not out of high school. your f*cking your lungs up when you do that ****. use your brain man.

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

thats because you were doing epi right?

yes i was but i dont think that its because of the compound. This should happen with all compounds, its just natural that when you come off your body tries to come back to homeostasis by producing more hormones, estrogen included.

so on your week off you were using epi? why not a natty test booster.

Originally Posted by crowpass

wow. i hope your not out of high school. your f*cking your lungs up when you do that ****. use your brain man.

Never done it myself, but curious; how does that hurt your lungs?

your inhaling a crushed chemical into your lungs. your lungs absorb the chemicals. . aka. f**king not good.

Originally Posted by crowpass

your inhaling a crushed chemical into your lungs. your lungs absorb the chemicals. . aka. f**king not good.

did i miss something? im talking about taking it orally